BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) Edited January 1, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I hope we dont lose either 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Daboll got hired by another team as head coach last year…..who was it again? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Good for them, hopefully it doesn't happen from a Bills Fan standpoint.  They deserve a shot though no doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) If your telling me I can get 2 3rd round picks for Frazier with our needs as Allen’s contract kicks in then sign me up. Edited January 1, 2022 by gonzo1105 6 1 13 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Â Someone read thread on this board. Â Threads here show up in search hits which is why made up threads should not just be closed but deleted or moved to forum "Just for idiots" with index capability to robots disabled. Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 If we have to replace the DC, QB coach and OC then it might be quite difficult!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Good. Easier to find coaches who want to coach top 5 units than find players to fill out top five units. I look forward to the third rounders to add to the talent pool. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Strongly doubt Frazier would bring along an inexperienced guy to be a 1st time OC. I would figure being a defense minded fella he would want a guy that has play calling experience...of course never know what the behind the scenes dynamic is. Edited January 1, 2022 by No Place To Hyde 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said: Strongly doubt Frazier would bring along an inexperienced guy to be a 1st time OC. I would figure being a defense minded fella he would want a guy that has played calling experience...of course never know what the nehind the scenes dynamic is. If it’s to Vegas that issue is mitigated a bit by Carr being an experienced QB that’s worked in multiple systems. I’d much rather have that pair go to the NFC though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Rumors was a great Fleetwood Mac album. 6 1 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I’d love to see this defense with more McDermott and less Fraiser. Probably a lot less soft shell conservative and a lot more aggression. 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I always assumed Dorsey would take over as OC if Daboll got hired somewhere. Why would Dorsey go elsewhere IF offered the same position here. I kinda feel Frazier is easier to replace. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’d love to see this defense with more McDermott and less Fraiser. Probably a lot less soft shell conservative and a lot more aggression.  Yea he has only had 3 top 5 defenses in 5 years Leslie Frazier. He must suck. 6 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: If it’s to Vegas that issue is mitigated a bit by Carr being an experienced QB that’s worked in multiple systems. I’d much rather have that pair go to the NFC though. Carr is most likely not going to be on the Raiders after this season 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Nothing stays the same in the NFL.  we have our franchise qb, the one position that held us back for 20 years.  Lots of oc’s  , qb.coaches , and lots of d coordinators could work with this talent on this team. As long as Mcd and Beane stay in sync and fill  the roster, I’m all for new blood in the thought process.  Josh is no longer “ a project “ , he is a star.  Lots of guys can be creative with him.  Probably just as well or bettter than Daboll who has one good game for every couple that are called with no identity or consistency.  Have you forgotten we have no run gsme ?  Who do you think is responsible for that ?   Very expensive d line yet little in the way of sacks or premiere edge rushers.  We lost a game where a rookie Qb completed one pass and how is that vaulted run d doing!   All I am saying is change can be good.  We are 9-6 with talent that should have been in the run for a first seed and a SB challenge. Let’s see how it plays out , but we have had our share of questionable coaching and maybe it’s time for a change with a more mature qb and roster.  Nothing is permanent in this league, so that’s the least of oir worries.  We have a top 3:qb , we will be competitive as long as we have him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Carr is most likely not going to be on the Raiders after this season  Really? On what basis? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) On 12/31/2021 at 6:36 PM, london_bills said: If we have to replace the DC, QB coach and OC then it might be quite difficult!! On a positive note with replacing the OC and QB coach with Josh here we should get top guys wanting to work with him. Edited January 2, 2022 by Warcodered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Carr is most likely not going to be on the Raiders after this season Are they planning on cutting him a year early? He’s only a $20MM cap hit in 2022 which is nothing for a QB.  "There's still more, and I want to do it here," Carr said over the summer. "I don't want to do it anywhere else. I've said it over and over again -- I'd probably quit football if I had to play for somebody else. I'm a Raider for my entire life, and I'm going to root for one team for the rest of my life, and it's the Raiders. I just feel that so strong in my heart."  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32369755/sources-derek-carr-discuss-contract-extension-las-vegas-raiders-season?platform=amp Edited January 1, 2022 by Buffalo Junction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Are they planning on cutting him a year early? He’s only a $20MM cap hit in 2022 which is nothing for a QB.  And he is the best player on the team. But other than that.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, london_bills said: If we have to replace the DC, QB coach and OC then it might be quite difficult!! I’d imagine if Daboll gets hired as a HC as well as Leslie, we will probably promote Ken Dorsey to OC and not allow him to leave with Leslie Edited January 1, 2022 by VaMilBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Just now, GunnerBill said:  And he is the best player on the team. But other than that.... Carrs repeatedly stated he wants to be a Raider for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 unless Frazier suddenly becomes 20 years younger and starts drinking kaboucha juice and wearing skinny jeans, he is not getting a HC job anywhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: I’d imagine if Daboll gets hired as a HC as well as Leslie, we will probably promote Ken Dorsey to OC and not allow him to leave with Leslie That would be my contention unless they actually want to move in a different direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Are they planning on cutting him a year early? He’s only a $20MM cap hit in 2022 which is nothing for a QB.  "There's still more, and I want to do it here," Carr said over the summer. "I don't want to do it anywhere else. I've said it over and over again -- I'd probably quit football if I had to play for somebody else. I'm a Raider for my entire life, and I'm going to root for one team for the rest of my life, and it's the Raiders. I just feel that so strong in my heart."  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32369755/sources-derek-carr-discuss-contract-extension-las-vegas-raiders-season?platform=amp If they don’t make the playoffs then this will be his last year. Majority of raiders fans hate him and want to move on. He’s been on the team for almost 9 years and has never been to the playoffs. If he doesn’t make the playoffs this year, then he’s good as gone 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Carrs repeatedly stated he wants to be a Raider for life. But ultimately that’s not his choice. And he’s been inconsistent this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: unless Frazier suddenly becomes 20 years younger and starts drinking kaboucha juice and wearing skinny jeans, he is not getting a HC job anywhere. Mark Davis’s haircut is as old as Frazier. For some reason I don’t think that’ll matter much. He’s likely more concerned about stability and restoring the franchises reputation after the Gruden emails. An established minority coach accomplishes that, and Frazier is a top candidate who’s defense stopped the Chiefs this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  Really? On what basis? He’s already being talked about trade wise. Giants and Saints are linked to him via trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  Yea he has only had 3 top 5 defenses in 5 years Leslie Frazier. He must suck. I’m not saying the defense sucks. Never said that, knew there was no way to avoid someone acting like I did. But it’s not impossible for it to be better. Also stats can be very misleading. We have played alot if really bad QBs and physical teams have given us plenty of trouble. Not saying it’s bad now, just saying I bet it can be better. And I don’t think it’s the players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’d love to see this defense with more McDermott and less Fraiser. Probably a lot less soft shell conservative and a lot more aggression. Honest question. What do you base that on? Was his Carolina defense more aggressive? Wasn't the Carolina front four much better than our current front four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Teams with good HC's don't really falter b.c of internal changes. Give me some picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 The only irreplaceable person in the whole franchise is Allen. There are only a very small number of coaches that make the players better. Usually its the other way around. Look at all the coordinator failures that have left New England, Pittsburgh (Arians the notable exception), Denver and Seattle of late. All were terrible head coaches that got a job because or Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning and Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 44 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I always assumed Dorsey would take over as OC if Daboll got hired somewhere. Why would Dorsey go elsewhere IF offered the same position here. I kinda feel Frazier is easier to replace. why do many think Dorsey would make a good OC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: He’s already being talked about trade wise. Giants and Saints are linked to him via trade  No chance the Raiders trade him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: If your telling me I can get 2 3rd round picks for Frazier with our needs as Allen’s contract kicks in then sign me up.  Relax...it's easy to free up cap money for a year and then the new Tab contracts kick in the following year and the cap will skyrocket every year for at least 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m not saying the defense sucks. Never said that, knew there was no way to avoid someone acting like I did. But it’s not impossible for it to be better. Also stats can be very misleading. We have played alot if really bad QBs and physical teams have given us plenty of trouble. Not saying it’s bad now, just saying I bet it can be better. And I don’t think it’s the players.  Yea. You are wrong. You can't be top 5 in almost every major stats, 4th even when DVOA takes in strength of schedule and not be a really, really good defense. And Leslie is a big part of that. Fans want aggression. For the most part that desire is misplaced. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Â Yea he has only had 3 top 5 defenses in 5 years Leslie Frazier. He must suck. Â McD? Or Frazier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 30 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: unless Frazier suddenly becomes 20 years younger and starts drinking kaboucha juice and wearing skinny jeans, he is not getting a HC job anywhere. Funny but not true. He’s early 60’s and looks darn fit. Had some good experience with Vikes and deserves a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: why do many think Dorsey would make a good OC? I don't think anyone says he'll be good. The speculation is all about his desire to be an OC and the continuity with the offense. He doesn't have any experience for anyone to reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Just now, Einstein said: Â McD? Or Frazier? Â It is McDermott's scheme. Frazier calls the plays and puts together the gameplans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Since when do teams get compensation for assistants getting hired into other organizations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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