How are we supposed to feel about this win??

[The Wiz]

Maybe we should not expect allen and the offense to go for 400+ yards a game with 5 tds and the defense to post a shutout and you can ask be happier with a win. 

[Bookie Man]

A lot better than cardinal fans feel.

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Maybe we should not expect allen and the offense to go for 400+ yards a game with 5 tds and the defense to post a shutout and you can ask be happier with a win. 

Come on. That's not fair. Thus far are you happy with the way the season is playing out? Has the team met your expectations? Be honest. Granted there is plenty of football to be played. Hopefully, the team will win out and excell in the playoffs. 

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Maybe we should not expect allen and the offense to go for 400+ yards a game with 5 tds and the defense to post a shutout and you can ask be happier with a win. 

 

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Maybe we should not expect allen and the offense to go for 400+ yards a game with 5 tds and the defense to post a shutout and you can ask be happier with a win. 

Maybe we should expect a serviceable running game, a front four that can consistently generate a pass rush and stop the run, and an Oline that can protect our franchise QB. Funny how I read all the predictions on the Bills record. No one had the Bills 8-6 after 14 games. No one had them in 2nd place in the AFC East. No one had them fighting for a playoff birth. Let's be honest on this board. Go back and look at your predictions and expectations. 

[The Wiz]

21 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

 

Maybe we should expect a serviceable running game, a front four that can consistently generate a pass rush and stop the run, and an Oline that can protect our franchise QB. Funny how I read all the predictions on the Bills record. No one had the Bills 8-6 after 14 games. No one had them in 2nd place in the AFC East. No one had them fighting for a playoff birth. Let's be honest on this board. Go back and look at your predictions and expectations. 

I've never made a prediction or stated my expectations for a season because anything can happen. 

 

Expecting a perfect season is just asking to be disappointed. 

 

You've stated a problem the Bills have. Everyone knows it so what's the point of complaining about it when they can't do anything about it at this point in the season?

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by The Wiz

[The Wiz]

@newcam2012 nice rebuttal 

[Billsfan1972]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

 

Maybe we should expect a serviceable running game, a front four that can consistently generate a pass rush and stop the run, and an Oline that can protect our franchise QB. Funny how I read all the predictions on the Bills record. No one had the Bills 8-6 after 14 games. No one had them in 2nd place in the AFC East. No one had them fighting for a playoff birth. Let's be honest on this board. Go back and look at your predictions and expectations. 

A lot here love to move the goalposts to fit their narrative.

 

I saw a lot of 14-3 (or 13-4) predictions and certainly worst case scenario was another AFC Championship game.

 

Still think the SB is in play, but to say I'm happy how this season has played out, would be a lie. 

 

The Offense I've stated numerous times is off (and then comes the blowback).  Diggs yep a 1,000 yards, but no where near the player he was last year.  Even Josh is making errors. 

 

The defense is is bending and breaking at times and way too many long plays.

 

But again I still billieve..... 

[nucci]

I feel good after a win

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

A lot here love to move the goalposts to fit their narrative.

 

I saw a lot of 14-3 (or 13-4) predictions and certainly worst case scenario was another AFC Championship game.

 

Still think the SB is in play, but to say I'm happy how this season has played out, would be a lie. 

 

The Offense I've stated numerous times is off (and then comes the blowback).  Diggs yep a 1,000 yards, but no where near the player he was last year.  Even Josh is making errors. 

 

The defense is is bending and breaking at times and way too many long plays.

 

But again I still billieve..... 

the OL is the biggest reason for the offensive issues. Also the goalposts are already moved back and don't determine a TD like the old days. The phrase needs to be moving the goal line.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Feel good about it. 

[Greg S]

Feel good about the win. I would rather the Bills win ugly than lose pretty. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

12 hours ago, Chaos said:

I mostly hope the rest our opponents play without kickers too. Its a nice edge. 

 

It's only fair, as we don't have a punter.

[What a Tuel]

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

The team is 8-6 and in 2nd place in the division. Fighting for their playoff lives. Is that what you a expected from this team when the season started? Imho, the criticism is warranted even if its not fun. If they win out then the team deserves accolades for gutting out a division title and going into the playoffs hot. I think most here had high hopes about winning a super bowl this season. Thus far, that seems to be a very tall order. The Bills weaknesses are in the trenches and its hard to win vs quality teams.  I don't think it's unfair to say that. Sorry if it doesn't feel good or isn't fun. 

 

Last year we were these three things away from being 10-6

 

A Rams comeback falling short

A cam newton fumble on a last minute game winning (or at least forcing OT) drive

A close (field goal only) game with the Jets 18-10.

 

This year we are these 3 things away from being 11-3 at the moment with 3 games left:

An Allen "trip" away at the Titan 3 yard line to win

A crappy 9-6 field goal game against the Jaguars

A game winning drive falling short at the 15 yard line in a crazy windy game against the pats.

 

The team isn't drastically worse than last year. Did the ball not bounce our way in a few scenarios? Yeah. It happens. Is the Oline in need of work? Absolutely.

 

I don't mind criticism, but there is a distinct difference between criticism and just berating the team. Some posters here just love to berate the team and make silly definitive statements such as "weak and soft" and "can't compete with the tough teams" and it's like are you even watching? 

 

Bills control their own destiny at this point in the division, so fighting for their playoff lives is a little dramatic.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by What a Tuel

[letsgoteam]

They did what they needed to do and even was able to put up 31 points with a rag tag O Line

[Greg S]

Just now, letsgoteam said:

They did what they needed to do and even was able to put up 31 points with a rag tag O Line

 

It was also against a decent D. I mentioned this last week but the Bills should handle business at home against the Panthers, Falcons, and Jets. One down and two to go. Of course it would be nice if the Bills can win the biggest game of the season this week. They do that then its most likely back to back division champs.

[Olliemets]

Needed the W. Caught a break with the kicker out. Hoping the Offense got a little mojo back. Panthers have a nasty D and we were able to put up points and move the ball. 

 

Lets go to Foxboro and beat those guys

[What a Tuel]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

A close “FG winning affairs against the Jets”? 
 

Bills dominated that game despite not being able to get into the end zone and won by 8 points. 
 

The Bills are capable of beating anyone, agreed. The difference between this yea and last year is teams have caught on to what we are doing offensively, coaching and our offensive line has regressed.

 

We weren't even winning the game until 1:37 left in the 3rd quarter and even then it was only up by 2 points until 6:01 left in the 4th. The defense did step up and shut them down completely in the 2nd half. Just imagine if the offense wasn't able to get those field goals after the stops. Not a huge stretch. Much like the Jaguars game. This was against a terrible 2-14 team and if this Jets game was this year, people would be holding it as a prime example of the Bills offensive woes.

 

I do think the O line has regressed though and that is the reason for that difference. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by What a Tuel

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

The team is 8-6 and in 2nd place in the division. Fighting for their playoff lives. Is that what you a expected from this team when the season started? Imho, the criticism is warranted even if its not fun. If they win out then the team deserves accolades for gutting out a division title and going into the playoffs hot. I think most here had high hopes about winning a super bowl this season. Thus far, that seems to be a very tall order. The Bills weaknesses are in the trenches and its hard to win vs quality teams.  I don't think it's unfair to say that. Sorry if it doesn't feel good or isn't fun. 

Some of the trenches issues have been Covid related which was impossible to envision pre season…no way we lose to the jags if we had one or two more offensive linemen available.  That one loss becoming a win completely transforms the season…not to mention we got absolutely hosed against TB

[Teddy KGB]

I don’t understand the question.  
 

[Nitro]

Feel good.  Look how front runners have lost to teams that had bad records.    The Jacksonville game was the Bills stinker.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

 

Maybe we should expect a serviceable running game, a front four that can consistently generate a pass rush and stop the run, and an Oline that can protect our franchise QB. Funny how I read all the predictions on the Bills record. No one had the Bills 8-6 after 14 games. No one had them in 2nd place in the AFC East. No one had them fighting for a playoff birth. Let's be honest on this board. Go back and look at your predictions and expectations. 

If I knew they’d be missing multiple offensive linemen nearly every game that’s a pretty easy prediction honestly 😂 I think we’ve honestly overperformed with how bad that unit has been 

[Orlando Tim]

On a day that Arizona got rolled by Detroit I think we should reiterate that any win the NFL is a good win.

[Ramza86]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

If their kicker was healthy they would have scored 32 points?

 

I wouldnt count that last TD...either way im sure the entire flow of the game changed for the panthers negatively.

[Jauronimo]

Should feel good about about it.

[BADOLBILZ]

18 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

 

Maybe we should expect a serviceable running game, a front four that can consistently generate a pass rush and stop the run, and an Oline that can protect our franchise QB. Funny how I read all the predictions on the Bills record. No one had the Bills 8-6 after 14 games. No one had them in 2nd place in the AFC East. No one had them fighting for a playoff birth. Let's be honest on this board. Go back and look at your predictions and expectations. 

 

 

All true criticisms.

 

And it's been beaten to death........but it's true........literally every team has significant issues this season.

 

There is no truly outstanding team at this time.    Which is unusual.

 

In certain other sports it's not really uncommon for a "not great" team to make it to the finals and sometimes win it.........the Montreal Canadiens in NHL last year or the Washington Nationals in MLB a couple years ago would be a couple examples.

 

We aren't used to that in the NFL so I think our tendency is to write this Bills team of because of it.

 

When I think of SB teams that didn't look like one during the season I think of teams like the 1985 Patriots or the 1994 Chargers........not so many since.........and unlike those two seasons there really isn't a "super team" waiting on the other side of the bracket.

 

So maybe this is the year where one or both of the SB teams has a lot of flaws.  

 

But considering the Bills huge and likely to expand point differential..........I don't even know if anyone would be able to look back and say the Bills were a weak SB team if they reached it this season. 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[newcam2012]

59 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Last year we were these three things away from being 10-6

 

A Rams comeback falling short

A cam newton fumble on a last minute game winning (or at least forcing OT) drive

A close (field goal only) game with the Jets 18-10.

 

This year we are these 3 things away from being 11-3 at the moment with 3 games left:

An Allen "trip" away at the Titan 3 yard line to win

A crappy 9-6 field goal game against the Jaguars

A game winning drive falling short at the 15 yard line in a crazy windy game against the pats.

 

The team isn't drastically worse than last year. Did the ball not bounce our way in a few scenarios? Yeah. It happens. Is the Oline in need of work? Absolutely.

 

I don't mind criticism, but there is a distinct difference between criticism and just berating the team. Some posters here just love to berate the team and make silly definitive statements such as "weak and soft" and "can't compete with the tough teams" and it's like are you even watching? 

 

Bills control their own destiny at this point in the division, so fighting for their playoff lives is a little dramatic.

 

 

 

 

 

Great post and input. Enjoyed the read. However, I vastly disagree with your premises. Every year there are games that are won and lost by a small margin. To go back and " cherry pick" them seems disingenuous. Great and good teams usually find a way to win and vice versa. 

 

This team is clearly worse than last year. "Dramaticaly" worse probably not. That's a matter of semantics. Last year was a special year! You could feel it game after game. Even after the devastating Cardinal loss you could still feel that "Bills fever." The team seemed destined. Like it was our year. Diggs and Allen were unstoppable!!! It was the best version of the NFL's Batman and Robin...Fast forward to this year and I'm not feeling much or any of that. In fact, I'm not sure which team is going to take the field. Like at the Tampa game for evidence. Allen is mostly running for his life and the team consistently losing the battle in the trenches. It's hard to see a pathway where the Bills can win a series of playoff teams vs quality teams. Sure it can happen and I hope it does. The Bills are in a fight to win the division and make the playoffs. Currently, they hold the last wild card spot. 

 

As for criticism, it's clear it's mostly not welcomed here. I fully understand it's more fun to be optimistic. This message board is is a fantastic avenue to get various inputs, information, and opinions. I respect the knowledge, input, and opinions of the posters here. The board is dynamic, fluid, and evolving. People's inputs should be respected especially if they are supported by valid facts. With that said, I know I'm on borrowed time here. I hope to continue being a member of this special board.

 

Go Bills!!! Beat New England. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by newcam2012

[HappyDays]

59 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

I wouldnt count that last TD

 

If the Panthers had a kicker, he would have stopped our final TD? Please keep telling me your ideas about how this game would have gone differently. I'm enjoying it.

[FilthyBeast]

The Bills did what they needed to against another lessor team.

 

And just like with the Jets, Saints, etc in recent weeks this game doesn't move the needle and anybody that's been paying attention knows how this predicable movie is going to play out specifically in another game next week against a team that isn't the Panthers, Jets, etc.

[Ramza86]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

If the Panthers had a kicker, he would have stopped our final TD? Please keep telling me your ideas about how this game would have gone differently. I'm enjoying it.

 

That was a 4th and 2 when the game was over. You can make the case "technically not over" but then that means we didnt handily win, so it would make your point moot.

 

Had we kicked a FG, kneeled it, punted, handed it over to the refs the panthers werent going to win the game. So yeah 24 pts is what I would say we had that game.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

The Bills did what they needed to against another lessor team.

 

And just like with the Jets, Saints, etc in recent weeks this game doesn't move the needle and anybody that's been paying attention knows how this predicable movie is going to play out specifically in another game next week against a team that isn't the Panthers, Jets, etc.

Well, according to J. R. R. Tolkien, trolls turn to stone in daylight. I'm guessing you never leave the basement.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

That was a 4th and 2 when the game was over.

 

What does this have to do with Carolina's kicker being injured?

[Ramza86]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

What does this have to do with Carolina's kicker being injured?

 

What? The panthers would have been able to play more conventional football instead of going for it on 4th down every time.

 

They would have just kicked FGs and added more points to the board.

[thenorthremembers]

A bit indifferent.   With the Panthers, Jets, and Falcons it's just a matter of getting the win.  Not a lot of joy from that.  The emotion comes in when they play the Patriots.  

[HappyDays]

Just now, Ramza86 said:

They would have just kicked FGs and added more points to the board.

 

Right. I think 18 points is a fair prediction for their kicker. Or somehow if they had a kicker we wouldn't have scored 31 points, I guess.

[Ramza86]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Right. I think 18 points is a fair prediction for their kicker. Or somehow if they had a kicker we wouldn't have scored 31 points, I guess.

 

Who is saying we would have lost? 

 

I dont get what youre saying.

 

In my opinion I do not feel good about this win. They didnt play well and this game was much closer than it had to be, and if they had a kicker it would have been even closer.

 

Do I think we still win if they have a kicker? Yes of course.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

All true criticisms.

 

And it's been beaten to death........but it's true........literally every team has significant issues this season.

 

There is no truly outstanding team at this time.    Which is unusual.

 

In certain other sports it's not really uncommon for a "not great" team to make it to the finals and sometimes win it.........the Montreal Canadiens in NHL last year or the Washington Senators in MLB a couple years ago would be a couple examples.

 

We aren't used to that in the NFL so I think our tendency is to write this Bills team off because of it.

 

When I think of SB teams that didn't look like one during the season I think of teams like the 1985 Patriots or the 1994 Chargers........not so many since.........and unlike those two seasons there really isn't a "super team" waiting on the other side of the bracket.

 

So maybe this is the year where one or both of the SB teams has a lot of flaws.  

 

But considering the Bills huge and likely to expand point differential..........I don't even know if anyone would be able to look back and say the Bills were a weak SB team if they reached it this season. 

Great post! Fantastic analysis and input. 👍

[T master]

This game is a game that they are suppose to win almost a gimme but this season that hasn't always happened like the Jags game 😪.

 

If they had played the tough teams the way they have the teams they are suppose to beat then i would have a lot more confidence there really wasn't a team on the schedule this year that they shouldn't have beaten especially after last seasons schedule & who they beat .

 

I haven't been real confident in the offense this year but i think Gabe Davis is a huge part of this offense for what ever the reason & seeing that he hasn't had as many reps this year they have struggled but i'm hoping given his return under unforeseen circumstances that they click a bit more with him on the field rather than the bench !! 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

The Bills did what they needed to against another lessor team.

 

And just like with the Jets, Saints, etc in recent weeks this game doesn't move the needle and anybody that's been paying attention knows how this predicable movie is going to play out specifically in another game next week against a team that isn't the Panthers, Jets, etc.

I wouldn’t say that…the panthers and saints have quality defenses and most of our issues have been on the offensive side outside of the colts game.  The fact that we could move the ball shorthanded on the oline against the panthers is quite impressive.  Compare that to when we only put up 6 points against the jags in a similar situation.  Pats defense is pretty comparable to the panthers but people don’t really realize that because they see the panthers overall record and dismiss them completely.  Tough to say what’s going to happen in the pats game because the wind was such a huge variable last time 

[auburnbillsbacker]

Good teams are losing to bad teams all of the time this season.  I feel relieved every time the Bills win.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

 

I wouldnt count that last TD...either way im sure the entire flow of the game changed for the panthers negatively.

Can’t really play this game…if they put up more points kicking the football then our offensive playcalling likely becomes more aggressive for a longer period of time…the only time the ‘what if’ game really works is when your receiver gets tackled in the end zone to close out a game and it costs you 4 points 😂

[dave mcbride]

I'm happy because the Panthers D is good, but it wasn't a good game. 

 

From Football Outsiders:

 

Game Spotlight: Buffalo Bills 31, Carolina Panthers 14

 

What Happened: Panthers kicker Zane Gonzalez suffered an injury during warmups. Cam Newton spent the afternoon executing what looked like a six-play game plan, and "Cam dives off tackle" was at least two of the plays. The Bills should have cruised to victory, but they needed some Panthers fourth-down blunders and a late-game garbage-time touchdown to make this closer-than-it-should-have-been game show as a blowout on the scoreboard.

 

What it Means: The Bills are not being graded on their ability to beat the pathetic Camthers but on their readiness to face the Patriots again. On that curve, they get a C- at best.

 

Early Bills drives stalled. They needed to get the ball near midfield to score their first two touchdowns. Josh Allen threw a costly interception before halftime. Cam's QB Power plunges and short RPO tosses were more effective than they should have been. The Bills would have been in real trouble if the Panthers could have kicked field goals or run a game plan longer than a kiddie menu. If the Bills start slowly, execute poorly, and fail to adjust to a run-heavy game plan of routine plays against the Patriots next week, well, we have already seen the results.

 

The Bills may want you to believe that they recorded a statement win on Sunday. It was really more of a mumble.

 

What's Next: Bills-Patriots II: Return of the Mac.

 

The Panthers face the Buccaneers twice in the next three weeks. And frankly, they deserve it.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2021/zombie-steelers-just-wont-quit