Primary Cause of Bills losing to Patriots/Colts/Titans/Steelers

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

You mean the Buffalo Bills? Lol

Drinking and watching the Bonnies game.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Drinking and watching the Bonnies game.

Me too. Awesome lol. Let's go Bonnie's.                                Back on topic hoping Bills adjust and win. Hopefully starts this week.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[djp14150]

5 hours ago, Chaos said:

Every football game has a unique set of circumstances.  Reasons for winning and losing can certainly vary.  But over time there are certain trends one might notice.  In four of the five Bills losses this season, I think the Bills were clearly outcoached.  There is not a single loss I blame on the other team having better players.   Of course this is an opinion. I am curious as to other peoples opinions. 

 

um….no.

 

buffalo kicks first FG or make a TD instead ofFG or don’t allow the long run they win.  How is that out coaching exactly?

 

tennessee…2 penalties kill two buffalo TDs. One they end up getting 3. They throws int inside own 35giving Ten a TDa couple plays later.  Any one of these buffalo wins

 

against Indy..Mckrnzie fumble TD. Buffalo drives it and makes it a one score game by mid third. Totally different game.

 

Pittsburgh….they blocked a punt and gets TD.  Hold them to a FG or give them assert it’s still a one score game instead of two when buffalo has ball late 4th.  Penalties/ missed plays prevented getting FGs or extending drives.

 

how are any of these being out coached vs play execution by the players?

[Augie]

47 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I would say WR's are fine, not the rest u listed

 

The WR’s are absolutely fine for this year, but will need to be addressed going forward. Improve the OL (and possibly their coaching) and we win 4 of our 5 games we lost. It can and will be addressed. 

[Freddie's Dead]

None of the above.  Bills are 0-4 in one score games, and could just as easily be 9-3 or 11-1.  They're simply regressing to the mean.  For all the talk about the Cheats 200+ rushing yards, they only scored 14 purnts.

[Chaos]

53 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

 

um….no.

 

buffalo kicks first FG or make a TD instead ofFG or don’t allow the long run they win.  How is that out coaching exactly?

 

tennessee…2 penalties kill two buffalo TDs. One they end up getting 3. They throws int inside own 35giving Ten a TDa couple plays later.  Any one of these buffalo wins

 

against Indy..Mckrnzie fumble TD. Buffalo drives it and makes it a one score game by mid third. Totally different game.

 

Pittsburgh….they blocked a punt and gets TD.  Hold them to a FG or give them assert it’s still a one score game instead of two when buffalo has ball late 4th.  Penalties/ missed plays prevented getting FGs or extending drives.

 

how are any of these being out coached vs play execution by the players?

Its a poll. If the players on the other team out execute the players on the Bills team, that means they are better. Pick the better players option. You are entitled to the opinion it is more on the players than the coaches.  5 losses don't happen randomly. 

[Paul Costa]

Reading these boards after a tough stretch of games shows that the whole Bills Mafia thing is a total farce. Bills fans are no different than Jets, Giants , Eagles or Cowboy fans. When there winning there drinking the kool aid . When their underachieving they piss all over them. Everyone is frustrated but man there some ignorant fans out there. Chaos seems to be on the top of the list after this thread. This person has no clue what goes into winning in the NFL. Maybe the Bills overachieved last year and this is who they really are in 2021. Something is obviously missing in 2021 but to suggest that McDermott forgot how to coach or our players are inferior is just plain ignorant. It’s a fine line between winning and losing in the NFL. And there are a lot of games still to play. Have faith that the Bills can turn this around or go kick rocks and be a Patriots fan front runner.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Paul Costa

[NewEra]

None of the above.  Lame.  

[Boatdrinks]

Steelers, Jags, Patriots - poor performance by offense. Yes, that includes coaches . 

Colts - poor all around performance on both sides of the ball. In this game I would disagree with your assessment of the players. The Colts players are superior to the Bills on both lines , and the RB is better in every way. That added up to a blowout loss. The Bills probably should have lost to the Colts in the playoffs too, but Josh Allen was the difference. 

[RaoulDuke79]

Steelers = Bills came out thinking it was an automatic win and didn't prepare as needed. Maybe that's the coaches/Maybe not

 

Titans= can't stop the run (not settling for the "if it wasn't for that one big run excuse" because that story repeats itself 

 

Colts = Taylor is better that our run D can handle, but offense also needs to make it somewhat competitive. A complete team loss. I think special teams had a few mishaps as well. 

 

Patriots = Out coached. Tried to run for 3Q with zero success. Missed FG which shouldn't have been an option, wasted timeouts in the 2nd half, finally started throwing late and had some success. In hindsight let Josh do his thing. He's generally the best player on the field 

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Jaguars: I blame everyone. Absolutely zero reason to lose that game, and as things stand it may prove huge.

 

 

 

 

 

[Brand J]

I feel like - and I may be totally wrong here - if the Bills had picked up the yard on the QB sneak and beaten the Titans, they most certainly would not have lost to the Jags and would be playing better football than they are currently. They were dominating that game against the Titans before McDermott declined the holding call on 2nd and 10. Very next play on 3rd and 10 was the bomb to Julio Jones that bounced off Hyde’s helmet and everything changed after that. Or maybe they are what they are: a wildly inconsistent team that essentially gave away the first game of the year. In hindsight it was a bit of a microcosm of the season thus far.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Cant really put the colts in there as that was just an annihilation. But i would say we were outcoached in all our losses. There were plays that would have changed the outcome of those games but they shouldn't have been that close if the coaching was better/more aggressive.

 

 

[HamSandwhich]

6 hours ago, Chaos said:

What is silly? That the team who wins outplayed the other team? 

It’s silly because a game is one game not an entire season or career. Players and coaches can be better than the players they are playing on that day but still lose. Your “any given Sunday” scenario you were talking about. Over the year and career trajectory the players and coaches can be a heck of a lot better than other players in a single game. That’s why your choices are laughable. 

Edited December 12, 2021 by HamSandwhich

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said:

It’s silly because a game is one game not an entire season or career. Players and coaches can be better than the players they are playing on that day but still lose. Your “any given Sunday” scenario you were talking about. Over the year and career trajectory the players and coaches can be a heck of a lot better than other players in a single game. That’s why your choices are laughable. 

5 any given Sundays is statistically unlikely.  Players and coaches win and use games.  The players and coaches who are better than the other players and coaches win more games than the other players any coaches.  Denying this reality is laughable. 

[HamSandwhich]

Just now, Chaos said:

5 any given Sundays is statistically unlikely.  Players and coaches win and use games.  The players and coaches who are better than the other players and coaches win more games than the other players any coaches.  Denying this reality is laughable. 

No I am not saying these are all any given Sundays, these are games where they were out played on that particular day.
 

You act like we have a losing record. We have a winning record and I’ll be willing to be we have a winning record at the end of the season and make the playoffs and also make noise in the playoffs. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a SB birth.
 

This is the Bills underperforming more than it is the teams they face. Get back to basics and do what makes this offense works. I think they do tommorow and roll into the playoffs as afc champs. 

[Pokebball]

7 hours ago, Chaos said:

Already did without your permission.  Its is perfectly logical to asses the average talent level of two teams rosters vs each other. 

Ha! I flushed your post.  Didn't let you get away with it.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Pokebball

[djp14150]

5 hours ago, Chaos said:

Its a poll. If the players on the other team out execute the players on the Bills team, that means they are better. Pick the better players option. You are entitled to the opinion it is more on the players than the coaches.  5 losses don't happen randomly. 

One team not making a place does not mean the other team is better.

[djp14150]

4 hours ago, Paul Costa said:

Reading these boards after a tough stretch of games shows that the whole Bills Mafia thing is a total farce. Bills fans are no different than Jets, Giants , Eagles or Cowboy fans. When there winning there drinking the kool aid . When their underachieving they piss all over them. Everyone is frustrated but man there some ignorant fans out there. Chaos seems to be on the top of the list after this thread. This person has no clue what goes into winning in the NFL. Maybe the Bills overachieved last year and this is who they really are in 2021. Something is obviously missing in 2021 but to suggest that McDermott forgot how to coach or our players are inferior is just plain ignorant. It’s a fine line between winning and losing in the NFL. And there are a lot of games still to play. Have faith that the Bills can turn this around or go kick rocks and be a Patriots fan front runner.

 

there isn’t much difference in nfl teams

 

its all about

 

1 schedule advantages

2 not having big injuries

3 having confidence

4 random luck that occurs.  Some players can have very good games above their avg day, sone have worse days.

 

as I mention in my post above it comes down to a few plays in close games thst can make a difference.

 

based on buffalo opponents this year the games of

new england(2) 

miami (2)

pittsburgh

tennessee

kansas city

New Orleans

tampa bay 

Washington 

 

buffalo has 4  H and 6 R games.

 

were games they could lose sone of those games playing rivals and teams that made the playoffs last year and the 8and 9 teams that had a 500+ season and missed the playoffs.

 

next years opponents besides their division are

 

Home Pitt, CLE , GB, MIN, AFC South

Road CIN, BAL, DET, CHI, AFC West, NFC West

 

DET is the easiest, CHI, GB, andPIT are wild cards in u certain how they will be next year

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

This is all due to the Bills marketing staff.  They've got to do better in this area.

 

-Legends of the game account for two of the losses at home - Indy (Lynch), Patriots (Owens). 

-Wearing white the weekend after labor day accounts for the loss against the Steelers.

-White jersey and blue pants explains the Titans and Jaguars game.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

McDermott knows it will be blowing 40+ mph all night. So after he wins the toss he decides in all his moronic wisdom to decline having the wind at your back in the 4th quarter.  McDermott is a dumb coach and so are his coordinators. 

[MJS]

I think that poll is too simplistic. Not even going to answer because it is WAY more complicates than just the caliber of players and coaches.

[noacls]

1. Boettger, Morse, Ford, Feliciano suck. Suppose you could add Williams also. 

2. Star, Butler, Phillips, Harry all replacement level. Soft in the interior. 

3. Edmunds might be the most overrated Bill in history. Soft at point if attack, can't shed blocks, constantly over pursues, constantly gets caught in the wash.

4. Singletary and Moss don't belong on a NFL roster. Slow, indecisive, can't read blocking scheme(Moss). Small and slow. 

[Southern Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, Chaos said:

chalking that one up to "any given Sunday."

Unfortunately that may be the game that keeps us out of the playoffs. 

[Chaos]

6 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Unfortunately that may be the game that keeps us out of the playoffs. 

In all four of the other losses, I think the other coaches are simply better head coaches.  Over time given equal rosters I think all four of those coaches win the majority of games vs. Coach McDermott (not all of them, but the majority). Meyer is truly inexperienced at the NFL level (and not at all impressive as a rookie)

16 minutes ago, noacls said:

1. Boettger, Morse, Ford, Feliciano suck. Suppose you could add Williams also. 

2. Star, Butler, Phillips, Harry all replacement level. Soft in the interior. 

3. Edmunds might be the most overrated Bill in history. Soft at point if attack, can't shed blocks, constantly over pursues, constantly gets caught in the wash.

4. Singletary and Moss don't belong on a NFL roster. Slow, indecisive, can't read blocking scheme(Moss). Small and slow. 

Morse was all-pro level when signed by the Bills.  Wayne Teller excelled after leaving the Bills. Is it possible it is more oline coaching than talent? 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Immediate pressure in pass protection and complete lack of running game. 

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Outside of Diggs the WRs are pretty meh at this point in their careers and Davis is too inconsistent. It’s a need this off-season IMO.

 

I don't disagree that WR is an off-season need, but I also don't think it's fair to say that Davis has been inconsistent.  I think his playing time is what's been inconsistent, which is a head-scratcher for me.

 

Sidelining Davis and benching McKenzie has hurt our offense and that is poor coaching/personnel management, IMO.

 

[Chaos]

13 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't disagree that WR is an off-season need, but I also don't think it's fair to say that Davis has been inconsistent.  I think his playing time is what's been inconsistent, which is a head-scratcher for me.

 

Sidelining Davis and benching McKenzie has hurt our offense and that is poor coaching/personnel management, IMO.

 

Are we still "trusting the process"?

Edited December 12, 2021 by Chaos

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Our we still "trusting the process"?

 

Well, we're one of the most penalized teams in the NFL.  Our HC has benched one of the best return men in the NFL, who is also a chain-mover on offense.  And we've stopped letting Josh Allen use his legs in the red zone.

 

I'm gonna say, "no."

 

[Gugny]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

He drops too many balls still IMO. 

 

Fair enough, but at this point, I'd rather have him on the field than Sanders.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He drops too many balls still IMO. 

Knox had that problem in prior seasons and until last week, seemed to have solved the problem. It may take on-field experience to improve this aspect of receiving. 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Chaos

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Knox still drops balls… he may have cost the Bills game alone last week with miscues and drops. 

I did except out last week in my comment. 

[noacls]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

In all four of the other losses, I think the other coaches are simply better head coaches.  Over time given equal rosters I think all four of those coaches win the majority of games vs. Coach McDermott (not all of them, but the majority). Meyer is truly inexperienced at the NFL level (and not at all impressive as a rookie)

Morse was all-pro level when signed by the Bills.  Wayne Teller excelled after leaving the Bills. Is it possible it is more oline coaching than talent? 

Good question.  You have to think OL coach is on the hot seat

[Chandler#81]

Primary cause? Patriots, Colts, Titans & Steelers outscored us.

 

🤷‍♂️ Pretty simple, really.

 

[Dopey]

If Josh doesn't mess up on the QB sneak, we beat the Titans. If 2 tds aren't dropped and had Breida not fumbled on the NE 30 yd line we beat the Pats. Too bad you didn't provide a 4th option, like:

"Bills offense not taking advantage of plays when presented". Yes, even Allen. 

[Philly McButterpants]

It IS coaching. Stop trying to be “tough” by running the ball. Get up by 14-17 and the opponents run game vanishes, and your D is playing to its strength. 

[Nitro]

Mistakes, self induced, had an impact on those games.  That is on the players.  Lack of execution is on the players. Coaching has been spotty and game plans with the lack of adjustments early in games is a problem.  All these together leads to losses. 

[Bruce Smith]

23 hours ago, Chaos said:

Every football game has a unique set of circumstances.  Reasons for winning and losing can certainly vary.  But over time there are certain trends one might notice.  In four of the five Bills losses this season, I think the Bills were clearly outcoached.  There is not a single loss I blame on the other team having better players.   Of course this is an opinion. I am curious as to other peoples opinions. 

Total BS.  Those teams ran over us and we couldn't run.  That is the problem. We drafted a warm weather team.

[Alphadawg7]

23 hours ago, Chaos said:

It seems like players that can't execute might not be good players. 

 

Got it...so Josh Allen isnt good because he lost his footing on the sneak against Tenn.  Diggs sucks too because he didn't haul in the TD against the Pats.  

 

Great analysis there chief *sarcasm*

[Chaos]

56 minutes ago, Bruce Smith said:

Total BS.  Those teams ran over us and we couldn't run.  That is the problem. We drafted a warm weather team.

So you maintain our coaches and players are better than the other teams but they beat us because of weather.  Ok. 

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Got it...so Josh Allen isnt good because he lost his footing on the sneak against Tenn.  Diggs sucks too because he didn't haul in the TD against the Pats.  

 

Great analysis there chief *sarcasm*

so you are saying we keep losing games even though we are outcoaching and outplaying them that day. wierd analysis, but you are entitled to be wierd. 

[TwistofFate]

Offense....in every one of those losses, the offense did not show up.