McDermott Era Should End!

[Billsfan1972]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

A better pass by Josh on 3rd down wouldn't have hurt.

Both of them (4th quarter & OT) Diggs was interfered with.  However both calls I wasn't happy with either.

 

Again just an opinion.

[MrSarcasm]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Both of them (4th quarter & OT) Diggs was interfered with.  However both calls I wasn't happy with either.

 

Again just an opinion.

 

Saying that doesn't just make the insanity acceptable... but then 

 

Again just an opinion

Edited December 16, 2021 by MrSarcasm
Maybe it does work

[Billsfan1972]

12 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

 

Saying that doesn't just make the insanity acceptable... but then 

 

Again just an opinion

No you're insane...... Just an opinion......😜

[Real McClappy]

34 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

I disagree

 

Coaches are not perfect and you shouldn't expect it. Much like players, every coach has a bad series/quarter/game/year, its just a fact. By your own short-sighted view Tomlin, Carroll and even Andy Reid have been 'outcoached a # of weeks when playing teams that they are better then.'

 

What do you propose should happen to those 3?

You can see what the bone headed Eagles have become after letting a HOF coach in Reid leave. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

You can see what the bone headed Eagles have become after letting a HOF coach in Reid leave. 

Yes. They won a Super Bowl🤷🏻‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Edited December 16, 2021 by No Place To Hyde

[Real McClappy]

12 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Yes. They won a Super Bowl🤷🏻‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Foles won a Super bowl. Iggles team hasn't don't much of anything otherwise and on what their 3 or 4th coach since Reid left? Great job!  All while Reid is a constant playoff coach with KC and has 100-41 record.

 

I avoided the thread until today as it's F'ing dumb on so many levels. 

 

The grass isn't always greener. 

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by Real McNasty

[BuffaloBillyG]

33 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

Foles won a Super bowl. Iggles team hasn't don't much of anything otherwise and on what their 3 or 4th coach since Reid left? Great job!  All while Reid is a constant playoff coach with KC and has 100-41 record.

 

I avoided the thread until today as it's F'ing dumb on so many levels. 

 

The grass isn't always greener. 

 

Foles? Was he the only one to play and get a ring? He coached too? What a moronic statement.

 

What was Andy Reid before Mahomes? A career playoff choke artist that was 50-50 to make the playoffs with Alex Smith every year. Revisionist history is amazing.

 

 

[Thriftygamer83]

McDermott has us on the best path forward he's really not that bad.  Worse thing is the offensive line coach, coordinator, and Ken Dorsey is looking to be slowly growing into the OC.  We knew that was going to happen he's taken on more responsibility, has refined Josh, and could soon be in charge of the running and passing game.  

[Nuncha]

Bills were 9-7 in 1989 and one and done in the playoffs after a 12-4 season in 1988 and making it to the AFC Championship game.  

 

Several fans were yelling and screaming saying Kelly should be benched and Levy fired....  You all know how that turned out.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by Azucho98

[Taro Nimbus]

2 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

Bills were 9-7 in 1989 and one and done in the playoffs after a 12-4 season in 1988 and making it to the AFC Championship game.  

 

Several fans were yelling and screaming saying Kelly should be benched and Levy fired....  You all know how that turned out.

 

 

 

 

History has a funny way of repeating itself.  Hopefully, if the Bills end the season one and done, they can atleast replicate that feat.  Maybe even win one   lol

[finn]

2 hours ago, CaliBills said:

Just curious of your credentials of assessing a HC other than drinking beer/wine/water or whatever and viewing everything in hindsight.

 

Easy to say when you aren't the one on the sideline trying to make decisions based on feedback by multiple assistants in seconds time.  I imagine you would be perfect in your real life job if this was the case correct?

 

As you said, its your opinion, but I will leave assessing a HC job to the people that know what it takes to be a HC.  Not a fan that does a normal 9-5 job and has no NFL coaching/playing/ or any NFL experience.  

C'mon, it's a fan forum. You're saying we can't say what we think because we're not, what, trained NFL evaluators? He disagrees with you. Deal with it. 

[CaliBills]

7 minutes ago, finn said:

C'mon, it's a fan forum. You're saying we can't say what we think because we're not, what, trained NFL evaluators? He disagrees with you. Deal with it. 

you and anyone else can say whatever they want, and I am simply stating the value behind an opinion of someone with zero NFL experience is not worth much compared to those that actually have experience.  So just deal with it..... yay good talk and thanks for the incite 

[finn]

8 hours ago, colin said:

i suspected it before, but alphadawg convinced me, mcd went riot act last week at half time and woke dabol up, and basically took over the D (he's taken over the d before).  the data shows us frazier is a solid DC, but McD is simply a better one, so when he steps in on the D, it gets better results.  i think he may have to take a page out of billicheat's book and always have a hand as being a shadow DC or whatever you want to call it, not saying he is as good, but mcd simply has a feel and understanding of D that most don't.

Ideally, McDermott would be DC, not head coach, especially of this team. He'd clearly be more comfortable with a ball-control offense and a smothering defense. The Pats, in short. I agree that Daboll might not be a very good coach. But the big unknown is the line. It could be he's doing magic with what he has upfront. I mean, Allen was pressured an incredible 33 times last week! What do you do with a line that simply cannot block? Maybe with the run-first OC that McDermott wants, we would be have lost even more games. 

3 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

you and anyone else can say whatever they want, and I am simply stating the value behind an opinion of someone with zero NFL experience is not worth much compared to those that actually have experience.  So just deal with it..... yay good talk and thanks for the incite 

I like the double entendre of "incite." Deliberate?

 

I'd say it's pretty likely that this forum has very few commentators with the credentials you're looking for. Which begs the question: What are you here for? No need to answer. Cheers. 

[billsfan89]

5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Well just because you said so......  By all means lock the thread.....😡

 

Another McD truther.....  Again I say don't fire him, but tired of people anointing him.

 

For instance the Bills stunk out the joint Sunday's first half & some then state he took over the Defense & turned the game around.

 

How about he take control from Daboll inside the 10 and then we score every time too???!!!!😜

McD has flaws no doubt, but I also think he is a very good coach who has played a major hand in completely turning around the organization. 
 

McD has things he needs to work on but he isn’t deserving of talk of being fired. That’s just ridiculous. 

[oldmanfan]

McD will be here a long time.  Enough already.

[Augie]

On 12/7/2021 at 12:09 AM, Wizard said:

There was absolutely no reason that the Bills should have lost this game! For this reason, the Pegula’s need to clean out some of the coaching leadership.

 

The odds of screwing up so many times in a row in a game is probably a million to one. That comes down to poor coaching and players not executing. When players screw up and coaches can not adjust, then this means that McDermott’s coaching ceiling has already been reached. He and his staff are average despite the team’s history

 

Great Coach gets 10-14 points in the situation below.  Good coach gets 6 to 7 points. Replaceable coach gets 0-3 points. 

 

2x’s in the last 6 minutes the Patriots gift wrapped two very doable red zone touchdown opportunities. And, Allen gets sacked, an idiot TE false start, a missed field goal, and passing the ball when running could have led to more manageable play calling rather than 3rd and long and 4th and 14 situations.

 

No adjustments…means no Confidence!

The team lost at home with the best fans, better receivers, and quarterback, unbelievable opportunities to win, and the defense knowing in advance that 95% of the team’s plays would be runs. Mac Jones may have set a record in the last 40 years with 19 pass yards! In other words, our defensive line knew what was coming and the Hoodie decided to be completely one dimensional knowing the Bills could do nothing about it!!!

 

Winning Culture

Yes, there was wind and stats were not going to be as big tonight. The Bills had every reason to win and own the division. It was blanking Monday Night Football. The team had this game circled all season. No amount of clapping, rah rah, or “process” makes up for fumbling the game away.
 

Bad coaching, players aren’t executing, and we can’t build our offense or defense with underwhelming line play, time management issues, and not getting the ball from a 30 million dollar QB not getting the ball to Diggs or a line not capable of digging in and getting 10 yards on the ground with some old-fashion tough running.

 

Ceiling has been reached..new voices

A weaker AFC, Derrick Henry going down, the Chiefs inconsistencies and Ravens, and the inability to beat playoff caliber teams, execute at key times, and the lack of consistency on the lines means this is McDermott’s ceiling.

 

Time for Bills to make big changes!

 

 

 

 

 

Do you know who DC Tom is? 

[BuffaloButt]

On 12/9/2021 at 5:33 PM, BuffaloButt said:

This has got to be a Patriots Troll!!!

Yep, it's definitely a Pat's Troll!!

[machine gun kelly]

On 12/7/2021 at 12:09 AM, Wizard said:

There was absolutely no reason that the Bills should have lost this game! For this reason, the Pegula’s need to clean out some of the coaching leadership.

 

The odds of screwing up so many times in a row in a game is probably a million to one. That comes down to poor coaching and players not executing. When players screw up and coaches can not adjust, then this means that McDermott’s coaching ceiling has already been reached. He and his staff are average despite the team’s history

 

Great Coach gets 10-14 points in the situation below.  Good coach gets 6 to 7 points. Replaceable coach gets 0-3 points. 

 

2x’s in the last 6 minutes the Patriots gift wrapped two very doable red zone touchdown opportunities. And, Allen gets sacked, an idiot TE false start, a missed field goal, and passing the ball when running could have led to more manageable play calling rather than 3rd and long and 4th and 14 situations.

 

No adjustments…means no Confidence!

The team lost at home with the best fans, better receivers, and quarterback, unbelievable opportunities to win, and the defense knowing in advance that 95% of the team’s plays would be runs. Mac Jones may have set a record in the last 40 years with 19 pass yards! In other words, our defensive line knew what was coming and the Hoodie decided to be completely one dimensional knowing the Bills could do nothing about it!!!

 

Winning Culture

Yes, there was wind and stats were not going to be as big tonight. The Bills had every reason to win and own the division. It was blanking Monday Night Football. The team had this game circled all season. No amount of clapping, rah rah, or “process” makes up for fumbling the game away.
 

Bad coaching, players aren’t executing, and we can’t build our offense or defense with underwhelming line play, time management issues, and not getting the ball from a 30 million dollar QB not getting the ball to Diggs or a line not capable of digging in and getting 10 yards on the ground with some old-fashion tough running.

 

Ceiling has been reached..new voices

A weaker AFC, Derrick Henry going down, the Chiefs inconsistencies and Ravens, and the inability to beat playoff caliber teams, execute at key times, and the lack of consistency on the lines means this is McDermott’s ceiling.

 

Time for Bills to make big changes!

 

 

 

 

You are the exact reason why we had a 17 year drought.

[Thriftygamer83]

Lou Saban- Fire Him!  (My Grandfather heard that when he won two straight AFL titles)

Marv Levy- Fire Him, Coaches like Marty (Hearing that all the time he was here... made it to the Super Bowl 4x's)

Sean McDermott- Winning and inheriting a tire fire roster

Now, Sean has to rebuild the offensive line from scratch, it's not an easy process, and will take time.  I'm trusting the process as Dion Dawkins and other offensive linemen went from elite and heroic levels to such a bottoming out.  It's not just the opt-out's of teams from last year.  It's the factors that players aren't pulling their own weight.  Sneaking out on curfew crippled McKenzie's security and Zack Moss it hasn't helped anyone.  I can see why he's not liking player attitudes right now.

[CaliBills]

Let's revisit this shall we... I mean we have this thread going for a while and I really want to hear what people that want him fired still have to say...

 

@Wizard Still want him fired?  

Edited December 27, 2021 by CaliBills

[Bermuda Triangle]

let's give him another week.

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Let's revisit this shall we... I mean we have this thread going for a while and I really want to hear what people that want him fired still have to say...

 

@Wizard Still want him fired?  

Wait until we lose to Atlanta next week!  LOL  

 

This thread will be alive and well.  

 

The average Bills fan has seems to have a knowledge base that is about 1 game long.

 

 

[Buftex]

16 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

 

The average Bills fan has seems to have a knowledge base that is about 1 game long.

 

 

That may be a little generous!

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

 

The average Bills fan has seems to have a knowledge base that is about 1 game long.

 

 

Any more gems?

[John from Riverside]

On 12/6/2021 at 9:09 PM, Wizard said:

There was absolutely no reason that the Bills should have lost this game! For this reason, the Pegula’s need to clean out some of the coaching leadership.

 

The odds of screwing up so many times in a row in a game is probably a million to one. That comes down to poor coaching and players not executing. When players screw up and coaches can not adjust, then this means that McDermott’s coaching ceiling has already been reached. He and his staff are average despite the team’s history

 

Great Coach gets 10-14 points in the situation below.  Good coach gets 6 to 7 points. Replaceable coach gets 0-3 points. 

 

2x’s in the last 6 minutes the Patriots gift wrapped two very doable red zone touchdown opportunities. And, Allen gets sacked, an idiot TE false start, a missed field goal, and passing the ball when running could have led to more manageable play calling rather than 3rd and long and 4th and 14 situations.

 

No adjustments…means no Confidence!

The team lost at home with the best fans, better receivers, and quarterback, unbelievable opportunities to win, and the defense knowing in advance that 95% of the team’s plays would be runs. Mac Jones may have set a record in the last 40 years with 19 pass yards! In other words, our defensive line knew what was coming and the Hoodie decided to be completely one dimensional knowing the Bills could do nothing about it!!!

 

Winning Culture

Yes, there was wind and stats were not going to be as big tonight. The Bills had every reason to win and own the division. It was blanking Monday Night Football. The team had this game circled all season. No amount of clapping, rah rah, or “process” makes up for fumbling the game away.
 

Bad coaching, players aren’t executing, and we can’t build our offense or defense with underwhelming line play, time management issues, and not getting the ball from a 30 million dollar QB not getting the ball to Diggs or a line not capable of digging in and getting 10 yards on the ground with some old-fashion tough running.

 

Ceiling has been reached..new voices

A weaker AFC, Derrick Henry going down, the Chiefs inconsistencies and Ravens, and the inability to beat playoff caliber teams, execute at key times, and the lack of consistency on the lines means this is McDermott’s ceiling.

 

Time for Bills to make big changes!

 

 

 

 

Whoops

[billsfan_34]

McD has been the best coach the Bills have had since Wade Phillips. Every single coach has a game here or there where things just seem to not align. His record and going to the AFC Championship game last year tells me McD is not going anywhere - just a hunch- step off the ledge, take a deep breath- we are 9-6 and control our destiny.

[T master]

After yesterday i'm putting this post up for the worst post of the year award it was foolish before but after yesterday with a very good possibility of a second  consecutive AFC east division championship this post is full of holes and holds absolutely no water what so ever !! 

 

But that's just me ...

[cgg716]

12 hours ago, CaliBills said:

Let's revisit this shall we... I mean we have this thread going for a while and I really want to hear what people that want him fired still have to say...

 

@Wizard Still want him fired?  

I don't want him fired, though I still have a fear that he will get conservative when it matters. Yesterday was a good job in that regard however 

[CaliBills]

28 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

I don't want him fired, though I still have a fear that he will get conservative when it matters. Yesterday was a good job in that regard however 

 

I feel judging a coach aggressiveness vs conservative in hindsight is unrealistic.  It is easy to say after the results show themselves that a different decision should have been made.  

The same people calling for him to be more aggressive like he was yesterday would also be the same people complaining if we lost due to that said aggressiveness(not all, but some). Like Staley has hurt the Chargers by being too aggressive.

 

For instance, 4-1, on the final drive, we don't make it.  Regardless of play call, we do not get it or he goes for a FG and we miss, and the Pats then drive the field and score a TD and we lose the game.

 

Those exact same people saying he needs to be aggressive, would say, well he should of punted and made them drive the whole field.   

 

Every coach makes game time decisions that can go either way and ONLY in hindsight is it proven right or wrong.  

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by CaliBills

[HomeskillitMoorman]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:57 PM, Azucho98 said:

Bills were 9-7 in 1989 and one and done in the playoffs after a 12-4 season in 1988 and making it to the AFC Championship game.  

 

Several fans were yelling and screaming saying Kelly should be benched and Levy fired....  You all know how that turned out.

 

 

 

 

 

You mean with no Superbowl wins?

 

Levy notoriously coached tight in those games, the same complaint as many of us have had about McD in the majority of his big games. 

 

With a QB like Josh, we SHOULD be in the playoffs annually, as most elite QBs are. Looking at that solely as an accomplishment vs Dick Jauron having Trent Edwards or something is setting the bar so incredibly low. We have a franchise top 5 QB now, the bar is at winning a Superbowl, and that's where McD should be judged and determining if he's the guy that can do that. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

13 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

I feel judging a coach aggressiveness vs conservative in hindsight is unrealistic.  It is easy to say after the results show themselves that a different decision should have been made.  

The same people calling for him to be more aggressive like he was yesterday would also be the same people complaining if we lost due to that said aggressiveness(not all, but some). Like Staley has hurt the Chargers by being too aggressive.

 

For instance, 4-1, on the final drive, we don't make it.  Regardless of play call, we do not get it or he goes for a FG and we miss, and the Pats then drive the field and score a TD and we lose the game.

 

Those exact same people saying he needs to be aggressive, would say, well he should of punted and made them drive the whole field.   

 

Every coach makes game time decisions that can go either way and ONLY in hindsight is it proven right or wrong.  

 

 

This is for the most part so incredibly untrue though. Yes there are people who live in hindsight and will complain no matter what if things go wrong, but there are so many that understand that the right call doesn't always mean a successful outcome individually, it just means over time, the team will benefit from consistently making the right decisions. 

 

To give you an example, I am not a McD guy, but I was here totally defending him for the call to go for it at the end of the Titans game. I hated the playcall because we never, ever get push on those QB sneaks up the middle as we saw yesterday even on a good day, and McD is part of that decision, but the decision in of itself to go for it was 100% the right one and I'd want us to do it again if that situation arises again. 

 

Regardless, its not about the individual people who complain. It's just about making the right decision. Going for it there on 4th and 1 after our D just pretty easily gave up a TD on the last possession, with Josh playing the way he was, was the right move whether he juked Jaime Collins to get the 1st down or not. When the chips are down, you go to your best. We didn't do that in the AFC Championship last year and that was with our D getting slashed. I don't think we would have won the game anyway but I don't feel at all that McD gave this team the best opportunity to win that game. And you just can't afford for your head coach to do that, especially in the

playoffs. 

 

The main point is the outcome does not determine whether it was the right decision or not. If you're down by 2 and you have the ball at the opposing 20 with 3 seconds left and you go for the FG, is it the wrong call if you miss? No. Same as if that coach decided to go with a fake FG and ends up getting the TD, I don't think that was the right call unless the kicker was hurt or something. So yes, you can judge a coach by their decision-making regardless of the outcome. 

[cgg716]

22 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

I feel judging a coach aggressiveness vs conservative in hindsight is unrealistic.  It is easy to say after the results show themselves that a different decision should have been made.  

The same people calling for him to be more aggressive like he was yesterday would also be the same people complaining if we lost due to that said aggressiveness(not all, but some). Like Staley has hurt the Chargers by being too aggressive.

 

For instance, 4-1, on the final drive, we don't make it.  Regardless of play call, we do not get it or he goes for a FG and we miss, and the Pats then drive the field and score a TD and we lose the game.

 

Those exact same people saying he needs to be aggressive, would say, well he should of punted and made them drive the whole field.   

 

Every coach makes game time decisions that can go either way and ONLY in hindsight is it proven right or wrong.  

 

Probably. Not me though. I'm always of the same mindset. Love what Harbaugh does as well as an example 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, T master said:

After yesterday i'm putting this post up for the worst post of the year award it was foolish before but after yesterday with a very good possibility of a second  consecutive AFC east division championship this post is full of holes and holds absolutely no water what so ever !! 

 

But that's just me ...

I already referenced it as worst post of the year back when it started lmao.  
 

This board is full of the most ridiculous and stupid stuff after a loss.  Last year we went 13-3 and there were people talking about firing McD and Beane after those losses too lmao.  

[Southern_Bills]

Can't make this stuff up.

[CaliBills]

33 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

This is for the most part so incredibly untrue though. Yes there are people who live in hindsight and will complain no matter what if things go wrong, but there are so many that understand that the right call doesn't always mean a successful outcome individually, it just means over time, the team will benefit from consistently making the right decisions. 

 

To give you an example, I am not a McD guy, but I was here totally defending him for the call to go for it at the end of the Titans game. I hated the playcall because we never, ever get push on those QB sneaks up the middle as we saw yesterday even on a good day, and McD is part of that decision, but the decision in of itself to go for it was 100% the right one and I'd want us to do it again if that situation arises again. 

 

Regardless, its not about the individual people who complain. It's just about making the right decision. Going for it there on 4th and 1 after our D just pretty easily gave up a TD on the last possession, with Josh playing the way he was, was the right move whether he juked Jaime Collins to get the 1st down or not. When the chips are down, you go to your best. We didn't do that in the AFC Championship last year and that was with our D getting slashed. I don't think we would have won the game anyway but I don't feel at all that McD gave this team the best opportunity to win that game. And you just can't afford for your head coach to do that, especially in the

playoffs. 

 

The main point is the outcome does not determine whether it was the right decision or not. If you're down by 2 and you have the ball at the opposing 20 with 3 seconds left and you go for the FG, is it the wrong call if you miss? No. Same as if that coach decided to go with a fake FG and ends up getting the TD, I don't think that was the right call unless the kicker was hurt or something. So yes, you can judge a coach by their decision-making regardless of the outcome. 

You know - I will digress.  I will enjoy finally having a coach that seems to know what he is doing regardless of "analytic people" saying other wise.

 

Edited: Decided to delete previous post as it does me no good to continue the conversation.

 

Happy Holidays

Edited December 27, 2021 by CaliBills

[billsfan89]

This thread is so insanely foolish especially after yesterday's win (even with a loss yesterday it still is foolish). The Bills from 2000-2016 had two winning seasons (a pair of 9-7 seasons in 2004 and 2016) and zero playoff appearances. From 2017-2021 the Bills have 3 playoff appearances (and working on a 4th one), a pair of playoff victories, a division title (and working on a second one) 4 winning seasons, and have successfully developed a franchise QB for the first time since Jim Kelly. Also, the defense 

 

What more do you want from a coach and organization? Yes, if this team repeatedly falling short in the playoffs or enduring a bad stretch of seasons then eventually you have to try and move on from a coach. But McD has not shown any of those just yet. 

[HamSandwhich]

I’ll finish it for you…”McDermott Era should end…when McDermott darn well feels like it should”. 

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, T master said:

After yesterday i'm putting this post up for the worst post of the year award it was foolish before but after yesterday with a very good possibility of a second  consecutive AFC east division championship this post is full of holes and holds absolutely no water what so ever !! 

 

But that's just me ...

Here here…pure craaaaaap lol

[ExWNYer]

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, ExWNYer said:

Neither does the OP..