McDermott Era Should End!

[MrSarcasm]

22 minutes ago, mannc said:

You’re setting the bar too low. McDermott is not good enough. He continues to cost this team games. This isn’t the 2010 Bills…we have a new owner and a superstar QB…we don’t have to settle for a mediocre defensive coordinator as our head coach any longer. The best and brightest in the game would love the opportunity to coach a team with 24-year old Josh Allen. 

So who would you have Buffalo hire to replace McDermott that is available and an upgrade?

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by MrSarcasm
'Crickets'

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

So who would you have Buffalo hire to replace McDermott that is available and an upgrade?

 

 

 

[MrSarcasm]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

 

Maybe these posters that are wanting McD fired are just bot accounts of Gase? The only explanation I can think of.

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I love the cult of McD.....  Started very early his first year.

 

TBH he has grown on me, ever since he figured out that 300 yards passing is not a terrible thing and understood you can't rely on 17-14 games weekly.

 

But he has certainly regressed this year and has been badly outcoached way too often.

 

And then those who grasp at straws (like vs. TB saying he took over the defense after being gouged for 300 first half yards), there's always excuses.

 

He was badly outcoached in every loss and even the wins didn't set himself apart.  Add to that terrible results in every close game, you have to question him.

 

No they won't fire him, unless a complete meltdown and miss the playoffs at  9-8, which certainly will raise questions. 

I am in the cult of having a head coach with a winning record.....thank you

[Joe Ferguson]

Bills won close games last year because McDermott was aggressive. Bills are losing close games this year because McDermott has went back to a wimpy conservative coach. Why can't people see this?!?!?!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

40 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

 

Reported.

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[KingBoots8]

5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Bills won close games last year because McDermott was aggressive. Bills are losing close games this year because McDermott has went back to a wimpy conservative coach. Why can't people see this?!?!?!

Because you are wrong. Case in point: Tennessee game. Rather than kick the FG and play conservative he put the ball in Josh’s hands and came up short. It happens sometimes.
 

McD was “conservative” in the Bucs game when faced with a similar situation because 2 yards is not a gimme against the Bucs D and we just got hosed on a no-call PI. Kick the FG and fight on. It was the right call.

[Logic]

I can't believe that this thread has made it to 17 pages, or that anyone with a functioning brain actually wants to fire Sean McDermott.

Good lord.

[Joe Ferguson]

22 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

These are just moronic statements.....we should get rid of a playoff coach in hopes that we find better we we can OBVIOUSLY get worse

Marvin Lewis was also a playoff coach and Bengals never went anywhere with him.

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Marvin Lewis was also a playoff coach and Bengals never went anywhere with him.

Shall we compare stats on head coaches with win loss records and how things worked out when teams moved away from them?

 

One team wins the Super Bowl.   Hey I have an idea lets ***** can ever HC that doesnt win the super bowl.   You must like losing

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Marvin Lewis was also a playoff coach and Bengals never went anywhere with him.

Not even King's Island, conveniently located just north on I-71 in Mason, Ohio?! 🤔

[Logic]

I'll tell ya why McDermott should be fired:

He slipped on 4th down against the Titans!

He dropped two passes in the end zone against the Pats!

He failed to throw a flag against Carlton Davis in the Bucs game!

Had he done his job better on those three instances, the Bills would be 10-3 right now and the number 1 seed in the AFC.

FIRE McDERMOTT!!!!!!!!!

 

[Billsfan1972]

3 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

Because you are wrong. Case in point: Tennessee game. Rather than kick the FG and play conservative he put the ball in Josh’s hands and came up short. It happens sometimes.
 

McD was “conservative” in the Bucs game when faced with a similar situation because 2 yards is not a gimme against the Bucs D and we just got hosed on a no-call PI. Kick the FG and fight on. It was the right call.

Again excuses.....  If going for it with Tennessee, they should have been ready and have a play called, been on the line.  Look at the replay and yes Josh slipped, but there were more Titans on the line then Bills.

 

Vs. the Bucs, again third & fourth down they did not have that play ready to run and then threw that fade, which was a penalty, but if not still not a high % play. 

 

Then add the first drive in OT was garbage.  That's coaching. 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[FilthyBeast]

On 12/14/2021 at 8:47 AM, P Riv said:

The Eagles fired Andy Reid.... People do stupid things every day.

 

 

Yet they went on to a SB and win one with a different coach who was also fired a few years later.

 

The NFL is a results driven business and while it's easy to have a certain degree of loyalty to a HC that has been to the playoffs in 3 of 5 years here (possibly a 4th yet) you have a finite window now that a franchise QB has been given a huge contract to win it all.

 

And this is exactly why the Pegula's can't have blind loyalty to this regime beyond 2022 if they prove they aren't good enough to take this team to the next level especially with the GOAT coaching in the same division.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

4 hours ago, Logic said:

I'll tell ya why McDermott should be fired:

He slipped on 4th down against the Titans!

He dropped two passes in the end zone against the Pats!

He failed to throw a flag against Carlton Davis in the Bucs game!

Had he done his job better on those three instances, the Bills would be 10-3 right now and the number 1 seed in the AFC.

FIRE McDERMOTT!!!!!!!!!

 

And yes the Bills are the only team in the NFL to allow more then one 60 yard TD run this year.  A fact, look it up....  But remember, nothing is McD's fault or responsibility.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[nedboy7]

Fire the coach who went to the AFC championship last year cause JA’s foot slipped and the refs are ***** #######s?  Nah.  

[P Riv]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yet they went on to a SB and win one with a different coach who was also fired a few years later.

 

 

And Reid won a SB, went to another and has lived in the playoffs since he got to KC.  Right now in the Legue, Reid is runner up to the GOAT in resume, and Philly fired that guy.

As far as Bills HC's are concerned, McD is the 2nd best in our 60 year history.  He has less talent than Levy had, and he's highly successful.  

Who is out there this off season that we could get that could do a better job???

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, P Riv said:

 

And Reid won a SB, went to another and has lived in the playoffs since he got to KC.  Right now in the Legue, Reid is runner up to the GOAT in resume, and Philly fired that guy.

As far as Bills HC's are concerned, McD is the 2nd best in our 60 year history.  He has less talent than Levy had, and he's highly successful.  

Who is out there this off season that we could get that could do a better job???

Comparing McDermott, or any Bills coach, to a long list of past Bills coaches is foolish.

 

Almost all of our coaches over a period of decades were jokes who had no chance of success.

 

Past Bills coaches are not the standard to go by; the best HC in the league is.

 

Can McDermott be improved relative to what is out there around the league?  That's the question.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Nextmanup

[FilthyBeast]

10 minutes ago, P Riv said:

 

And Reid won a SB, went to another and has lived in the playoffs since he got to KC.  Right now in the Legue, Reid is runner up to the GOAT in resume, and Philly fired that guy.

As far as Bills HC's are concerned, McD is the 2nd best in our 60 year history.  He has less talent than Levy had, and he's highly successful.  

Who is out there this off season that we could get that could do a better job???

 

Probably no one.

 

But again, I understand McD isn't going anywhere after this season even if the Bills lose out and look terrible the rest of the way. Unless McD himself steps down he's obviously not getting fired after this season.

 

What I've been saying all along is that after 2022 the Pegulas have to make that decision assuming this regime doesn't get to a SB and win one next year.

[Billsfan1972]

Luv anytime people question McD as we have those ready to move on and then those who are members of what I call the "Cult of McD".

 

I think he's a good coach.  Has he got the most out of this team?  Are his game time decisions good?  Is his game plan good?  Is he the beneficiary of great players or has he put them in position to succeed?

 

As said he has grown on me, but I certainly am not convinced he is great. 

 

Would I can him?  No. 

 

I want to see him grow and make smarter decisions and be more decisive. 

 

Will continue to reserve judgement. 

[mannc]

5 hours ago, MrSarcasm said:

So who would you have Buffalo hire to replace McDermott that is available and an upgrade?

 

There are good candidates available every year…too early to say who the best candidates are…but you already knew that

[Nextmanup]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

There are good candidates available every year…too early to say who the best candidates are…but you already knew that

This is pretty much true.  Somewhere in this league, a solid coach will be fired this year! Maybe multiple coaches.

 

The trick is knowing which one is excellent, which one is a clown, and everything in between.

 

Keep in mind Pegula hired Rex Ryan and his hockey team is about to break an NHL record for playoff futility.

 

So proceed with caution!
 

 

 

[BigAl2526]

McDermott may not be a perfect coach.  He may make mistakes.  But I believe the chances for future success (as in for the next decade) are far better by retaining McDermott and building on the continuity we've had for the last 3 years than in making a change at the present time. I am dead set against making a mistake and I think it would be the single biggest mistake the Pegulas could possibly make.

[boater]

Correlation: the newer the TSW account, the more likely they are to call for McDermott and/or Beane termination.

[Chicken Boo]

On 12/14/2021 at 11:47 AM, P Riv said:

The Eagles fired Andy Reid.... People do stupid things every day.

 

 

There's a very strong possibility that neither the Eagles organization nor Andy Reid would have Super Bowl rings had they not gone their separate ways.

[Orlando Tim]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

There's a very strong possibility that neither the Eagles organization nor Andy Reid would have Super Bowl rings had they not gone their separate ways.

This is true- sometimes it takes hitting a low to reset your beliefs. Reid was a good coach for eagles but is a much more "wide-open" coach with KC and KC has benefitted

[MrSarcasm]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

There are good candidates available every year…too early to say who the best candidates are…but you already knew that

No. The fact that you can't even name one dude tells me that is not the case.  All I'm asking for is one candidate that would be an upgrade over McDermott.

 

I understand you don't want to look like a fool so you stay silent and just complain about the current regime.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

No. The fact that you can't even name one dude tells me that is not the case.  All I'm asking for is one candidate that would be an upgrade over McDermott.

 

I understand you don't want to look like a fool so you stay silent and just complain about the current regime.

Look, I'm not the owner or the general manager of the Buffalo Bills so I don't spend a lot of time scouting up and coming offensive coordinators or other candidates who my team might hire in the event that we are going to fire our HC.  What I do know is that every year there are promising candidates available, such as Brandon Staley, for example. I also know that McDermott isn't going anywhere, no matter how badly the Bills finish this season, so this is purely a theoretical discussion.  But I believe McDermott has shown that he's not capable of taking this team to the Super Bowl and winning it, which should be the goal, not just making the playoffs. We are wasting the prime years of Josh Allen's career.      

[Billsfan1972]

11 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

I've never been a fan if McDermott. His teams are soft, and he sucks on gameday, too rigid and slow to adjust. His teams can only kick ass when the opposing team sucks or is injury riddled.

 

He won't be fired anytime soon, and due to that, the Bills aren't winning anything bigtime during Allen's career. If the coaching were of higher caliber and the team was overachieving instead if under, they'd be more of a SB threat.

 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, mannc said:

Look, I'm not the owner or the general manager of the Buffalo Bills so I don't spend a lot of time scouting up and coming offensive coordinators or other candidates who my team might hire in the event that we are going to fire our HC.  What I do know is that every year there are promising candidates available, such as Brandon Staley, for example. I also know that McDermott isn't going anywhere, no matter how badly the Bills finish this season, so this is purely a theoretical discussion.  But I believe McDermott has shown that he's not capable of taking this team to the Super Bowl and winning it, which should be the goal, not just making the playoffs. We are wasting the prime years of Josh Allen's career.      

And that is the point.  He won't be fired (maybe he'll find a better job??), but that doesn't take away from his shortcomings, which have been on display all year.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

It's a hard thing to say, really.

 

McDermott resurrected this zombie franchise and made us relevant. Beane has some STELLAR draft hits (Allen, Knox, MIlano) but also some agonizing misses (Oliver, Epenesa).

 

Do I want either of them canned at this point? NO.

 

But I do want to see some sacrificial lambs led to the slaughter. I'm thinking Daboll and Frazier would do nicely.

 

[MrSarcasm]

24 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

But I do want to see some sacrificial lambs led to the slaughter. I'm thinking Daboll and Frazier would do nicely.

 

What is that point when you need to see people fired? The D is ranked #1 and the O is in the top 10.

 

What do you hope to gain? You can't be higher than #1.

 

This board lacks patience. Every top 10 coach has had a 'stumble year' where they don't make the playoffs. This is Buffalos stumble year, yet they will be in the playoffs.

 

A bunch of loonies on this board.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

What is that point when you need to see people fired? The D is ranked #1 and the O is in the top 10.

 

What do you hope to gain? You can't be higher than #1.

 

This board lacks patience. Every top 10 coach has had a 'stumble year' where they don't make the playoffs. This is Buffalos stumble year, yet they will be in the playoffs.

 

A bunch of loonies on this board.

 

This. This. This again. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

31 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

What is that point when you need to see people fired? The D is ranked #1 and the O is in the top 10.

 

What do you hope to gain? You can't be higher than #1.

 

This board lacks patience. Every top 10 coach has had a 'stumble year' where they don't make the playoffs. This is Buffalos stumble year, yet they will be in the playoffs.

 

A bunch of loonies on this board.

 

You're honestly ok with Daboll's offense at the moment?

 

Predictable, and eminently stoppable by even an AVERAGE defense. Frazier also has extreme difficulty adjusting.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

[Billsfan1972]

34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You're honestly ok with Daboll's offense at the moment?

 

Predictable, and eminently stoppable by even an AVERAGE defense. Frazier also has extreme difficulty adjusting.

Exactly....  This year is skewed by beating up on bad opponents and inexperienced QB's.

 

The pass rush is not good.  Watch the pressure Allen was under vs. the Bucs and how little we've generated when needed.

 

 

[MrSarcasm]

43 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You're honestly ok with Daboll's offense at the moment?

 

Predictable, and eminently stoppable by even an AVERAGE defense. Frazier also has extreme difficulty adjusting.

Yes I am.

 

Do you expect every coach/coordinator to be perfect or high performing EVERY game?

 

KC has struggled on offense this year so by your own standards Andy Reid should be fired. Again this board is full of loonies.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

Yes I am.

 

Do you expect every coach/coordinator to be perfect or high performing EVERY game?

 

KC has struggled on offense this year so by your own standards Andy Reid should be fired. Again this board is full of loonies.

You'll pardon me if a Super Bowl winning coach (x2) gets the benefit of the doubt when Brian Daboll doesn't.

 

Daboll's proven exactly nothing.

 

And unlike Reid, whose offense has improvcd through the year, Daboll's has gotten worse.

 

 

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Beanes only stellar draft hit is Allen… he’s been pretty meh outside of him with his picks. 

 

Knox and Milano were also HUGE finds.

 

And Dawkins/White by McDermott also really good.

 

Let's be fair.

 

[MrSarcasm]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

You'll pardon me if a Super Bowl winning coach (x2) gets the benefit of the doubt when Brian Daboll doesn't.

 

Daboll's proven exactly nothing.

 

And unlike Reid, whose offense has improvcd through the year, Daboll's has gotten worse.

 

 

Andy Reid has won 2 Super Bowls?

 

How has Andy Reids offense 'improved' this year over last?

 

Also what do you want to see from the offense statistically each game that would make you happy with the coordinator, 60 pts- 700 yards? Lol

 

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by MrSarcasm

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

Andy Reid has won 2 Super Bowls?

 

Apologies, no.

 

Been to two, won one. My mistake.

 

Point still stands, though. Daboll doesn't have nearly the track record to be afforded leeway.

 

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Andy Reid has won 2 Super Bowls?

 

He has also been a HC for around 20 years or so with the Eagles and Chiefs. He also had a lot of years where he couldn't get over the hump. This is only year 5 for McDermott.