EDIT Now: Whatever Pats or Bills topics you wanna discuss Was: Bills (-3.5) vs. Patriots on MNF

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

He did, but McCoy wasn't just a speed back.

Again, McCoy wasn't just a speed back. He also played in cold and snow his whole life. 

 

Also comparing a guy that was a superstar and guy that will get HoF consideration (though I'm not sure he gets in) against a scantly used journeyman is a huge stretch.

Not comparing the two in every way on a football field , that’s no contest. But a quicker , shifty guy CAN have an advantage in snowy conditions. Even  If he’s not that versatile. One cut and the defender, who has to react to the move can be out of the play. You’re picking nits. 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Their defense is great but I don’t think it’s an excellent matchup for them…they seem to really be ravaging teams that rely on a balanced attack to open up the passing game because they’ve been pretty tough to run on. If their defense has a weakness it’s their secondary. I don’t understand how they’re playing with house money…do you mean based on preseason expectations? Like they weren’t supposed to be good so who cares if they don’t win the division? That kind of thinking might work on fans but doesn’t mean anything as far as success this season goes.  A loss would be absolutely devastating for them because they lost to Miami week 1 and we are undefeated in the division…not to mention Miami seemed to give them some trouble week 1 and they have them on the schedule again. A loss hurts them more than it hurts us because we get a rematch against them to get a chance to tie up the head to head and take back the division record tiebreaker and catch up a game.  If they lose they likely have no chance at that division record tiebreaker as we’d have to lose to them in the rematch and dump one against the jets and they would have to beat the dolphins. They’re essentially losing two games if they lose Monday. It would look scary short term to us if we lose but if we end up splitting with them we’re catching up a game and a half in the rematch  because we would own the tiebreaker 

Imho, the pressure is squarely on the Bills. Yes, it's largely due to the expectations of each team. I don't think you can minimize that. Fans and media directly effect and pressure organizations. Think of the organizational reaction to the Bills and Pats not making the playoffs? Sure Pats fans and the media will be disappointed but not like in Buffalo. There will be outrage and probably major changes while it's status quo in NE. Tremendous difference and pressure. 

 

Don't sell the Pats defense short. They are legit. They sack the QB and apply relentless pressure. That has resulted in ints by the so called suspect secondary. Belicheat is A masterful defensive coach. 

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Of course it is, but he would not have seen White much anyway. He is primarily a slot receiver, no?  Taron Johnson has shut down better receivers than him this year.   Get that overconfidence up my man. 

Edited December 3, 2021 by FLFan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Imho, the pressure is squarely on the Bills. Yes, it's largely due to the expectations of each team. I don't think you can minimize that. Fans and media directly effect and pressure organizations. Think of the organizational reaction to the Bills and Pats not making the playoffs? Sure Pats fans and the media will be disappointed but not like in Buffalo. There will be outrage and probably major changes while it's status quo in NE. Tremendous difference and pressure.

 

Where do you live?

 

Status quo in NE is not just playoffs, it's deep into the playoffs every season.  One year of missed playoffs last year and there were all sorts of calls for heads and rolls.

 

I think you more or less have it backwards. 

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Where do you live?

 

Status quo in NE is not just playoffs, it's deep into the playoffs every season.  One year of missed playoffs last year and there were all sorts of calls for heads and rolls.

 

I think you more or less have it backwards. 

Maybe I do. 

[CincyBillsFan]

Okay so let's say the weather forecast is right and Orchard Park is hit with Snowmageddon.  Winds are gusting to 55 mph and heavy snow is falling.  Can we all agree that there isn't going to be much of a passing game?  But what little passing there will be would favor the Bills and their strong armed QB. And while the Pats have a better running game they don't have a stud RB.  So the difference could come down to which of the two QB's can run the ball.  Under these conditions the safest plays will be QB runs up the middle and around both ends.  And which QB has an advantage if the game devolves into this?  I would say Allen and it's not close.

 

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I find it strange….Why wouldn’t you practice and prepare outside in real, weather conditions? 

In defense of McD the idea is to get the game plan installed.  And that's easier to do inside then outside in bad weather.  Also, was the weather in Orchard park bad enough to mimic what might be happening Monday night?  If not then there really isn't much of an advantage to practicing outside.

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

In defense of McD the idea is to get the game plan installed.  And that's easier to do inside then outside in bad weather.  Also, was the weather in Orchard park bad enough to mimic what might be happening Monday night?  If not then there really isn't much of an advantage to practicing outside.

 

 

they would have to practice in this fo

mimic Monday:

 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Well considering the team mostly looks like ***** in bad weather games I don’t think it’s a bad idea…. Practice how you play…. That goes for weather/field conditions as well…. I’ll go with GOAT HC on this one.

Day to day I would say that the weather in Boston is better then Buffalo in December.  So it's a bit apples & oranges as to where they decide to practice.  I doubt Belechik is outdoors if the weather sucks.

 

And why do you say the Bills don't play well in bad weather? They played very well against Houston & KC which was the worst weather they played in.

 

 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

17 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I find this very interesting.

 

Yeah that's kinda strange. But keep hearing Bills are used to the bad weather there. Well seems like this roster isn't very much. Anyways, it may be just this practice was in doors and next will be out. Who knows...

[newcam2012]

13 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

This is an early playoff game on MNF...the stage doesn't get much bigger to have the entire NFL world watching.

 

Just glad the Bills are getting some key players back in the lineup. 

Yep. I just picked the Bills -2.5 in my weekly football pool.

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

In defense of McD the idea is to get the game plan installed.  And that's easier to do inside then outside in bad weather.  Also, was the weather in Orchard park bad enough to mimic what might be happening Monday night?  If not then there really isn't much of an advantage to practicing outside.

 

 

 

Belichick seems to do just fine getting his gameplan installed outside.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Ok, well what else would you say he was? He certainly took quite a few long distance to the house for the TD. I consider that a RB with speed myself. Also he took a few all the way for TD's in snow games multiple times. So we agree he was a speed RB, what else was he then? Certainly not a bruiser type. Guess you could call him a dancer? 

 

 

I would call him a balanced RB that could also run with power for his size. The thing with Shady was he was never a "speed" guy. More shifty than fast even in his Eagle days. Yes, hey could take some to the house....but I've seen Singletary rip off long TD runs. Would you classify him as a speed back as well? 

[Thriftygamer83]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Belichick seems to do just fine getting his gameplan installed outside.

McD isn't Bellicheck in his defense Sean is a system and process Coach like a Quarterback.  He can only go so far as to what the management can lay out for him and what fits inside his Dr. Sheldon Cooper philosophy.  Something like this has an ill-omen attached to it and basically feels like waving a white flag and asking not to be hurt by either the Patriots or the weather.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not comparing the two in every way on a football field , that’s no contest. But a quicker , shifty guy CAN have an advantage in snowy conditions. Even  If he’s not that versatile. One cut and the defender, who has to react to the move can be out of the play. You’re picking nits. 

No, I'm actually agreeing with you here. Shifty. That's the key. Snowy conditions and speed can often times be neutralized. Shady had all-world level shiftiness. Breida isn't at that level in my opinion. We also saw another RB do well in that snow game. Fella named Frank Gore. No speed. He did pretty well as well. Looking back, man was that game amazing for fans who enjoy RB play...lol

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I would call him a balanced RB that could also run with power for his size. The thing with Shady was he was never a "speed" guy. More shifty than fast even in his Eagle days. Yes, hey could take some to the house....but I've seen Singletary rip off long TD runs. Would you classify him as a speed back as well? 

When did this happen? Clearly I must have missed it...unless you are considering 20-25 yards as "ripping off a long TD run". Most Devin has is a 51 yard and a 40 yard. But a 75 yarder is out running a defense, which would take "speed" to do. McCoy has taken anywhere from 45-75 yards for a score . Lol, at you implying Singletary has "long" TD runs comparing to McCoy.

 

McCoy's ability to to out run the defense for 75 yards alone absolutely makes him a speed back. Not sure if you're just trying to find anything to argue about, but only other thing you can describe him as would be "shifty". But was absolutely a speed back that was a threat to take it all the way 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[Doc Brown]

I want four feet on Sunday in orchard park so we can play in Detroit again.  God it sucks.  We build a team best suited for a Dome in the windiest city in the NFL.  That’s on McBeane.

Edited December 3, 2021 by Doc Brown

[Putin]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I want four feet on Sunday in orchard park so we can play in Detroit again.  God it sucks.  We build a team best suited for a Dome in the windiest city in the NFL.  That’s on McBeane.

All we need is a better OL / RB and we could be great anywhere 

[Dan]

TV Execs want Pats / Bucs SuperBowl ?

 

I suddenly expect a horribly officiated game.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Cold and snow isn't normally a good thing for a speedy back. Wondering if Moss is going to be active as a game plan specific play. 

what has Moss done to deserve dressing? I get he is suppose to be the physical back, but not so sure his style aligns with how the line blocks well. I Could be way off base. 

Edited December 3, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

When did this happen? Clearly I must have missed it...unless you are considering 20-25 yards as "ripping off a long TD run". Most Devin has is a 51 yard and a 40 yard. But a 75 yarder is out running a defense, which would take "speed" to do. McCoy has taken anywhere from 45-75 yards for a score . Lol, at you implying Singletary has "long" TD runs comparing to McCoy.

 

McCoy's ability to to out run the defense for 75 yards alone absolutely makes him a speed back. Not sure if you're just trying to find anything to argue about, but only other thing you can describe him as would be "shifty". But was absolutely a speed back that was a threat to take it all the way 

Honestly it really seems as though you are the one looking to argue. To turn your phrase lol at you if you don't consider 51 yards a lond TD runs. 

 

By the way...week 2 just this year Singletary ripped a 46 yard TD run. His top speed on the play was 20.29MPH. Place that into context...Mckenzie's opening kickoff against the Steelers the weekly before was registered at 20.56MPH. Tell me again how Singletary doesn't have speed.

3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

what has Moss done to deserve dressing? I bet he is suppose to be the physical back, but not so sure his style aligns with how the line blocks well. I Could be way off base. 

He hasn't IMO. But wouldn't shock me if this was the coaches line of thought.

Edited December 3, 2021 by No Place To Hyde

[Since1981]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Under these conditions the safest plays will be QB runs up the middle and around both ends.

That would be so exciting to sit and watch in rainy 30 mph wind..Built to win one game. Where’s Tyrod and Rex when we need them!?

 

…you are unfortunately, correct. Hey. They are indeed one of the only teams with a fullback….(cough)

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Where do you live?

 

Status quo in NE is not just playoffs, it's deep into the playoffs every season.  One year of missed playoffs last year and there were all sorts of calls for heads and rolls.

 

I think you more or less have it backwards. 

Pretty sure he is a Pats fan. 

[Blank Stare]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

what has Moss done to deserve dressing? I bet he is suppose to be the physical back, but not so sure his style aligns with how the line blocks well. I Could be way off base. 

I could definitely see all 3 backs up. Especially if Gilliam is out. Makes a lot of sense if the weather is ***** where running will be essential. He’s our hardest runner even if he’s slow. Even in that scenario, Moss would be #3 for me with limited touches. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Honestly it really seems as though you are the one looking to argue. To turn your phrase lol at you if you don't consider 51 yards a lond TD runs. 

 

By the way...week 2 just this year Singletary ripped a 46 yard TD run. His top speed on the play was 20.29MPH. Place that into context...Mckenzie's opening kickoff against the Steelers the weekly before was registered at 20.56MPH. Tell me again how Singletary doesn't have speed.

He hasn't IMO. But wouldn't shock me if this was the coaches line of thought.

Gotcha, yea. I wonder how much the coaches will be thinking about fumbles regarding our backs and who dresses. Pats take the ball away at a good rate. 

Just now, TheProcess said:

I could definitely see all 3 backs up. Especially if Gilliam is out. Makes a lot of sense if the weather is ***** where running will be essential. He’s our hardest runner even if he’s slow. Even in that scenario, Moss would be #3 for me with limited touches. 

Good point on Gilliam. OR could dress McKenzie and Stevenson. McKenzie returns punts and Stevenson returns kicks. With the weather this might be worth considering. 

[billybrew1]

It's true, Josh has to be big. Josh will make many throws his opponent cannnot.

 

I also have Tremaine Edmunds playing the best game of his life. He gains a lot of fans after Monday Night....

 

Bills 26, NE 20.

 

Bass also plays a huge role making kicks his opponent cannot.

 

These are some of our corse strengths. Of course, Star needs to play well. Diggs, Davis, Beasley, Singletary, the rest on Offense.... Maybe our DEs can flash a bunch on MNF? I think so...

 

Go Bills!

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Gotcha, yea. I wonder how much the coaches will be thinking about fumbles regarding our backs and who dresses. Pats take the ball away at a good rate. 

That's another valid point. Not only with the Pats ability to peanut punch...but a cold wet ball. Of course both the Patriots main RBs (Harris and Stevenson) had some fumble issues early in the year IIRC. Hopefully we get a few ourselves 

[Since1981]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

sure he is a Pats fan

Can’t think of anything more sad than hanging, fake in opp team’s online forum. There are sites out there…he may need to release his pent up

[loyal2dagame]

25 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said:

 

Regardless of high winds, snow & rain we are playing in Orchard Park and Josh needs to be special.  No excuses.  That's how we'll win the game! 

 

This has been the story of our whole season.

[Since1981]

7 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

McKenzie

Does Daboll bring back the gadget ground plays? Mid 2020 a lot of sweeps and misdirection in the backfield. That seems to have gone away. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Does Daboll bring back the gadget ground plays? Mid 2020 a lot of sweeps and misdirection in the backfield. That seems to have gone away. 

If nothing else, use McKenzie in motion to see what the d is in. Couple fakes and then hit them with one. 

[Blank Stare]

20 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Good point on Gilliam. OR could dress McKenzie and Stevenson. McKenzie returns punts and Stevenson returns kicks. With the weather this might be worth considering. 

Yep, I’d be game for that too. Could even get McKenzie going on jet sweeps in that scenario. 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I find it strange….Why wouldn’t you practice and prepare outside in real, weather conditions? 

 

I thought the same thing.  Tasker was on WGR talking about it last week or two weeks ago.  Paraphrasing he basically said you want to practice the plays perfect.  Can't do that in bad weather.  If you can't practice them perfect then they arent going to work so well in bad weather either.  He said that you practice perfect and then adjust to the weather.

 

Perfect wasnt the word he used and I cant really remember the exact wording but that was the meaning behind it.  

[HappyDays]

 

Please. Crush. Mac. Jones.

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Day to day I would say that the weather in Boston is better then Buffalo in December.  So it's a bit apples & oranges as to where they decide to practice.  I doubt Belechik is outdoors if the weather sucks.

 

And why do you say the Bills don't play well in bad weather? They played very well against Houston & KC which was the worst weather they played in.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually Belichick usually does practice outside regardless of weather.  He said he doesnt want his team focusing on keeping their hands dry.  He wants the defense to focus on playing the offense and the offense playing the defense. BB said he cant control the weather and the team has to be ready to play in any conditions.  If it rains it rains.  If its hot then its hot.

[Warcodered]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Please. Crush. Mac. Jones.

Only person who might be as annoyed by that graphic as Bills fans is probably Belichick.

[BillsfaninSB]

17 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Only person who might be as annoyed by that graphic as Bills fans is probably Belichick.

He has already called his direct report, Goodell, and told him to knock it off. 

[MiltonWaddams]

31 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

He has already called his direct report, Goodell, and told him to knock it off. 

Didn’t even need to call. Just asked him kindly while they were under the sheets.

[Not at the table Karlos]

On 12/1/2021 at 8:59 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

I actually think there might be some honesty in Belichick's comments here.  For one, Allen's improvement has been remarkable and I'm sure Belichick sees it.  And if you go back to last years draft there's a reason Belichick and the Pats used a 1st round pick to select a QB - and that reason is Josh Allen.

 

 

That reason is they didn't have a halfway decent QB...

[Not at the table Karlos]

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

In defense of McD the idea is to get the game plan installed.  And that's easier to do inside then outside in bad weather.  Also, was the weather in Orchard park bad enough to mimic what might be happening Monday night?  If not then there really isn't much of an advantage to practicing outside.

 

 

Yes the weather was windy af and rain/snow mix.