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50 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Well that depends.  For instance, Todd Gurley deserved the MVP over Tom Brady in 2017.  

 

He was the best player in all of football that year, performed as such and should have been rewarded for that effort.

 

I don't see a single QB right now that is deserving of MVP (maybe Rodgers).  That could change in December as the season comes to a close.  Meanwhile, Jonathan Taylor is having an all time great year.

Henry still leads the league in rushing and he broke his foot against Indy 4 weeks ago.  That is how good he was.  

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10 minutes ago, Bruce Smith said:

TN is pretty dominant.  They beat great teams and now they are getting ready to play cream puffs like the Colts and Bills have to this point.  

I think they are beat Houston and I bet Vrabel puts it to BB.  Their DL is playing out of their minds.  3 guys in the top ten.  

They haven’t been dominating teams. They’re winning but statistical metrics of their games don’t indicate a dominating team. The schedule looks easy but when your margin of victory is that slim it can go against you at any point. 

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51 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I dont believe that in 2 months time Tennessee will be playing at a level greater than or equal to today.  First seed or not. 

 

Their offense has been hot trash without Henry putting up under 300 yards a game the last two. That catches up with them soon.

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Going into last year's playoff game, I thought the Bills were a better football team by quite a bit. Our defense had really come along, and JA was on a streak.

 

I thought the Bills D would get to Rivers, and that Colts would not be able to stop us. I thought Colts had to do too many things to beat us.

 

Game was closer than I thought. I was wrong about a few things, but right about my overall prediction.

 

Rivers and Colts online were a big area that kept them in the game. Rivers was old and slow afoot, but he was super quick release and wired tight. He was hard to hurry and pressure.

 

That and Colts played physical up front on D. But in the end, Bills were too much on offense and on defense. 

 

The difference in this upcoming game is Wentz likely won't get the ball out and avoid pressure. The stats say he is getting sacked a lot more. 

 

With all things considered I see our defense still as this hurdle they will not 🚫 overcome. Not Wentz. 

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15 minutes ago, Bruce Smith said:

TN is pretty dominant.  They beat great teams and now they are getting ready to play cream puffs like the Colts and Bills have to this point.  

I think they are beat Houston and I bet Vrabel puts it to BB.  Their DL is playing out of their minds.  3 guys in the top ten.  

 

Nah, this is one of those situations where the team might finish with a good record but lose in the first round. They are far outperforming their metrics...Football Outsiders says this is a 4.8 win team right now.

 

They aren't going to keep winning if they continue putting up those putrid offensive numbers they have the last 2 weeks.

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1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Well that depends.  For instance, Todd Gurley deserved the MVP over Tom Brady in 2017.  

 

He was the best player in all of football that year, performed as such and should have been rewarded for that effort.

 

I don't see a single QB right now that is deserving of MVP (maybe Rodgers).  That could change in December as the season comes to a close.  Meanwhile, Jonathan Taylor is having an all time great year.

Todd Gurley was not the most valuable player in 2017.  He may have been the best at his position by a wide margin, but he was still a RB.  Do you think there is anyone that would take Todd Gurley over Tom Brady in 2017 if they were creating a team?  A RB would need to be the greatest of all time to win MVP over a QB.

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8 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Going into last year's playoff game, I thought the Bills were a better football team by quite a bit. Our defense had really come along, and JA was on a streak.

 

I thought the Bills D would get to Rivers, and that Colts would not be able to stop us. I thought Colts had to do too many things to beat us.

 

Game was closer than I thought. I was wrong about a few things, but right about my overall prediction.

 

Rivers and Colts online were a big area that kept them in the game. Rivers was old and slow afoot, but he was super quick release and wired tight. He was hard to hurry and pressure.

 

That and Colts played physical up front on D. But in the end, Bills were too much on offense and on defense. 

 

The difference in this upcoming game is Wentz likely won't get the ball out and avoid pressure. The stats say he is getting sacked a lot more. 

 

With all things considered I see our defense still as this hurdle they will not 🚫 overcome. Not Wentz. 

 

Bills D in 2021 >>>>>>>>> Bills D in 2020.

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6 minutes ago, Bruce Smith said:

Disagree.  Defense travels and wins in the playoffs.  Their DL is good.  They missed the best CB for 4 weeks and he came back against NO and pitched a shut out.  You're sleeping on them.  Plus Henry is slated back week 17.  

 

Lis Colt to the ex Colt punter:  

 

 

Oh? Then we should be golden considering we have pretty much across the board the #1 defense in almost every category.  The gap between the Bills in most categories and 2nd place is so wide that it's equivalent to the gap between 2nd place and 12th or 13th place..let that sink in for a minute.  Absolutely astounding.

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On 11/15/2021 at 12:41 PM, Process said:

US side definitely has some nice views of the falls but other than 1 casino, there is nothing else their.

 

We in NF do have one thing the Canadians seriously lack: copious amounts of gunfire... celebratory, targeted, collateral. You want it, we got it.

 

Soooo, come on over and get your fill!

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29 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Oh? Then we should be golden considering we have pretty much across the board the #1 defense in almost every category.  The gap between the Bills in most categories and 2nd place is so wide that it's equivalent to the gap between 2nd place and 12th or 13th place..let that sink in for a minute.  Absolutely astounding.

We played the easiest schedule to get to 6-3.  They played the hardest to get to 8-2.  

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1 hour ago, finn said:

I don't know about that. They're not immune to losing to bad teams any more than the Bills, Rams, Chiefs or Tampa Bay. I can see them losing two or three games to the Pats, Jags, Steelers, Dolphins, and 49ers. 

 

Oh I hope so too but I'm not banking on it and rooting for the New England Patriots to win the game between them.

Pats* are in the division and a half game behind.  

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1 minute ago, Bruce Smith said:

We played the easiest schedule to get to 6-3.  They played the hardest to get to 8-2.  

 

If you think several last second 3 point wins are sustainable then I'm not sure what to tell you.  

There is a reason why the Bills are still large favorites to win the SB this year and the Titans are 7th despite the best record in the NFL

 

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4 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Have we found our offensive line?

 

Dawkins-Boettger-Morse-Williams-Brown

 

Is this the group that we can now rely on? Do we even think of starting Feliciano once he's healthy again?

 

Depends on how Boettger does.

 

Calf injuries are not sure bets to heal in the minimum 3-week-on-IR timeframe. 

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41 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

If you think several last second 3 point wins are sustainable then I'm not sure what to tell you.  

There is a reason why the Bills are still large favorites to win the SB this year and the Titans are 7th despite the best record in the NFL

 

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Titans have been outgained on offense multiple times and still pulled the W…also not sustainable.

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On 11/15/2021 at 6:27 AM, Process said:

They almost just lost to the JAGS! This should be a cakewalk.

I agree if not for a fumble they probably lose that game , I’m not sure about a cakewalk but we should win this game and it shouldn’t be even close  ,  Besides a good running game there’s absolutely nothing that scares me on that team 

Bills - 36 

colts - 20 

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29 minutes ago, Putin said:

I agree if not for a fumble they probably lose that game , I’m not sure about a cakewalk but we should win this game and it shouldn’t be even close  ,  Besides a good running game there’s absolutely nothing that scares me on that team 

Bills - 36 

colts - 20 

I've seen this twice now. How exactly did this unfold? i havnt seen any highlights.

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2 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Todd Gurley was not the most valuable player in 2017.  He may have been the best at his position by a wide margin, but he was still a RB.  Do you think there is anyone that would take Todd Gurley over Tom Brady in 2017 if they were creating a team?  A RB would need to be the greatest of all time to win MVP over a QB.

 

That's not the argument.  MVP is what it says.  The Rams were a 3-win team the year before.

 

I'm sure there are teams that would take Brady over Derick Henry, but in no way shape or form would Brady have e deserved MVP over Derrick Henry this year prior to his injury.

 

Your mindset towars RBs is what I hate about MVP voting. 

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4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

There is nothing to back down from........he's a 4.5 guy.    And I was probably the only person on TSW who had the relatively unheralded White as the top CB in the 2017 draft class (which notably had the MUCH heralded Marshon Lattimore).    So you are barking up the wrong tree.........he's another example of me being very right,  all due respect to Lattimore.    Gilmore is a step faster than White.......a legit 4.4 flat.   That's all it takes.    

Can you cite the actual evidence of you saying prior to the 2017 NFL Draft that Tre White was the top CB in the draft class? 

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58 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Can you cite the actual evidence of you saying prior to the 2017 NFL Draft that Tre White was the top CB in the draft class? 

 

 

I'm not digging it up,  I expressed the opinion in the draft lead up here on TSW and immediately after the selection when I was applauding the actual selection.   If you read my posts, it's common knowledge.    I've been here 22 years and a draftnik since the late 80's and was often and rightfully critical of the players chosen in round 1 by prior regimes.........I've been pleased with all of the actual player choices in round 1 by McDermott and Beane.    Not sure where the idea that I have been critical of Tre White's ability came from.   That's never been the case.   His overall game and what he brings to the team is All Pro level.    He's just not going to ever be an All Pro in a primarily man based defense.   

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14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I'm not digging it up,  I expressed the opinion in the draft lead up here on TSW and immediately after the selection when I was applauding the actual selection.   If you read my posts, it's common knowledge.    I've been here 22 years and a draftnik since the late 80's and was often and rightfully critical of the players chosen in round 1 by prior regimes.........I've been pleased with all of the actual player choices in round 1 by McDermott and Beane.    Not sure where the idea that I have been critical of Tre White's ability came from.   That's never been the case.   His overall game and what he brings to the team is All Pro level.    He's just not going to ever be an All Pro in a primarily man based defense.   

You make claims very often about how right you are… reference evidence… but never show it. If the evidence exists… why not show it? It just seems odd. 
 

You’re a smart guy… why not just back up your statements with evidence you say exists? 
 

 

 

I haven't really done much individual analysis but at a glance I thought a guy like Tre'Davious White might end up being a terrific corner and being a very good tackler he might translate to S one day and that long term package might be a second or third round investment versus the steep price for his teammate Adams. His talent may actually be downgraded because he's been asked to play the more valued position. And that's always part of the equation when evaluating safeties. Byrd lasted until round 2 in part because HE was a CB in college.

 

This was the only reference I could find you making about Tre White between January 1, 2016 and April 27, 2017. You said he was worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder and that he may be a terrific corner but could also move to safety? 
 

Hardly the rock-solid endorsement of his abilities that you’re describing in your posts above. 
 

If other instances exists why not show me, rather than make me dig it up? 

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22 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You make claims very often about how right you are… reference evidence… but never show it. If the evidence exists… why not show it? It just seems odd. 
 

You’re a smart guy… why not just back up your statements with evidence you say exists? 

 

The reason why I don't provide a link every time I re-iterate a take for the 100th time and some random poster who wasn't on TSW at the time(or just can't remember) asks for proof?.........is because there are no awards or cash payouts for being right on TSW.     I don't work for free.

 

If it rankles you to hear it..........that's a you problem.    If you say you had an opinion in the past...........good for you........doesn't bother me or upset me if you want to take credit for being right.    If I caught you saying OTHERWISE........I might call you out but if not, who cares?

 

As I've told @GunnerBill many times on this board...........if you want to be right almost all of the time(like me).......only share takes you have a lot of conviction in. :beer:

 

 

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1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

You make claims very often about how right you are… reference evidence… but never show it. If the evidence exists… why not show it? It just seems odd. 
 

You’re a smart guy… why not just back up your statements with evidence you say exists? 
 

 

 

I haven't really done much individual analysis but at a glance I thought a guy like Tre'Davious White might end up being a terrific corner and being a very good tackler he might translate to S one day and that long term package might be a second or third round investment versus the steep price for his teammate Adams. His talent may actually be downgraded because he's been asked to play the more valued position. And that's always part of the equation when evaluating safeties. Byrd lasted until round 2 in part because HE was a CB in college.

 

This was the only reference I could find you making about Tre White between January 1, 2016 and April 27, 2017. You said he was worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder and that he may be a terrific corner but could also move to safety? 
 

Hardly the rock-solid endorsement of his abilities that you’re describing in your posts above. 
 

If other instances exists why not show me, rather than make me dig it up? 

 

 

Yeah that sounds about right for December prior to that draft.    It wasn't a draft full of dynamic CB talent.    As we got thru the draft process he stood out as the best of the bunch, IMO.   He played a premium position where you want that 5th year option and fit the new system extremely well.    Did I think he would be Jalen Ramsey?   No.  And he hasn't been.   Speed was always the question with him.   Can I see him being a 30 year old safety in this system?........yep.   Hope he is a Bill for life.  So thanks for the refresher.   Hope you weren't disappointed to see me doing as I said.........talking up a player who was mostly invisible to Bills fans during the draft process.:thumbsup: 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The reason why I don't provide a link every time I re-iterate a take for the 100th time and some random poster who wasn't on TSW at the time(or just can't remember) asks for proof?.........is because there are no awards or cash payouts for being right on TSW.     I don't work for free.

 

If it rankles you to hear it..........that's a you problem.    If you say you had an opinion in the past...........good for you........doesn't bother me or upset me if you want to take credit for being right.    If I caught you saying OTHERWISE........I might call you out but if not, who cares?

 

As I've told @GunnerBill many times on this board...........if you want to be right almost all of the time(like me).......only share takes you have a lot of conviction in. :beer:

 

 

This would be great if I could find anything between January 1, 2016 and April, 27 2017 that even gave me a whiff of conviction as it pertained to Tre'Davious White. 

 

You said Tre'Davious White's name EXACTLY 1 time.. you actually mentioned the name Corey White just as much as you did Tre'Davious White prior to the draft.

 

Ironically, you said the name Johnny White more between January 1, 2017 and April, 27 2017 than you did Tre'Davious White...

 

This is you exact quote on Tre'Davious White from December 26, 2016:

 

 

I haven't really done much individual analysis but at a glance I thought a guy like Tre'Davious White might end up being a terrific corner and being a very good tackler he might translate to S one day and that long term package might be a second or third round investment versus the steep price for his teammate Adams. His talent may actually be downgraded because he's been asked to play the more valued position. And that's always part of the equation when evaluating safeties. Byrd lasted until round 2 in part because HE was a CB in college 

 

You didn't comment again on Tre'Davious White until April, 28 2017 AFTER the selection 

 

I didn't get into the mocks and player rankings this year because I didn't do the work watching every player that others did so it's unfair to stack them on just the games I watched every week.

 

But 3D White was my favorite cornerback in college football this year.

 

This is where you say Tre'Davious White was your favorite cornerback in college... after the draft... when your last statement was made on December, 26 2016 and you said he might move to safety and was a RD2 or RD3 pick... no mention of him being your favorite player. 

 

These were literally the only two comments you made about Tre'Davious White for 1.5 years and now you're attempting to re-write your take. What I've outline above looks nothing like your quote below... you actually never said he was the top CB in the draft either.. you said he was your favorite cornerback in college football.. doesn't mean you believed he was the best...

 

And I was probably the only person on TSW who had the relatively unheralded White as the top CB in the 2017 draft class (which notably had the MUCH heralded Marshon Lattimore).

 

You didn't feel comfortable having much conviction until after the pick was made...

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10 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

This would be great if I could find anything between January 1, 2016 and April, 27 2017 that even gave me a whiff of conviction as it pertained to Tre'Davious White. 

 

You said Tre'Davious White's name EXACTLY 1 time.. you actually mentioned the name Corey White just as much as you did Tre'Davious White prior to the draft.

 

Ironically, you said the name Johnny White more between January 1, 2017 and April, 27 2017 than you did Tre'Davious White...

 

This is you exact quote on Tre'Davious White from December 26, 2016:

 

 

I haven't really done much individual analysis but at a glance I thought a guy like Tre'Davious White might end up being a terrific corner and being a very good tackler he might translate to S one day and that long term package might be a second or third round investment versus the steep price for his teammate Adams. His talent may actually be downgraded because he's been asked to play the more valued position. And that's always part of the equation when evaluating safeties. Byrd lasted until round 2 in part because HE was a CB in college 

 

You didn't comment again on Tre'Davious White until April, 28 2017 AFTER the selection 

 

I didn't get into the mocks and player rankings this year because I didn't do the work watching every player that others did so it's unfair to stack them on just the games I watched every week.

 

But 3D White was my favorite cornerback in college football this year.

 

This is where you say Tre'Davious White was your favorite cornerback in college... after the draft... when your last statement was made on December, 26 2016 and you said he might move to safety and was a RD2 or RD3 pick... no mention of him being your favorite player. 

 

These were literally the only two comments you made about Tre'Davious White for 1.5 years and now you're attempting to re-write your take. What I've outline above looks nothing like your quote below... you actually never said he was the top CB in the draft either.. you said he was your favorite cornerback in college football.. doesn't mean you believed he was the best...

 

And I was probably the only person on TSW who had the relatively unheralded White as the top CB in the 2017 draft class (which notably had the MUCH heralded Marshon Lattimore).

 

You didn't feel comfortable having much conviction until after the pick was made...

 

 

Keep digging.    I like it.  

 

And yes,  White was my favorite CB in college football.........that's why I brought him up out of the blue in that December post.   

 

But keep in mind..........there was trepidation about his fit as a man coverage CB........he wasn't a first round prospect for everyone.    

 

And with talented man coverage CB's Gilmore and Darby on the roster.........why would anyone think that December that the Bills CB's would be playing mostly the type  of zone coverage that McDermott would later bring with him.    That's why I was willing to think about him as a safety even though I thought he could be a "terrific" corner.     Remember........very poor safety play was a big problem for that 2016 defense.........it was a crying need.  (I was also on the sign Micah Hyde train later that offseason......also a lonely 1 car vessel on TSW).

 

The transition to McDermott's defense heightened White's value to the Bills.    In this defense his elite intelligence and awareness and run support were able to be accentuated.         

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