Week 11 Colts Week

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I do still think he stinks. I thought he was crap again yesterday too. That team goes as Jonathan Taylor goes. The Colts are asking Wentz to do less than the Pats are asking of Mac Jones. 

 

The 2019 season I think he played really well down the stretch with a decimated team but even then it was more like his will and his desire than him actually technically playing the position at a high level. I have no doubt Wentz is a competitor. He just isn't a very good Quarterback. Our plan for Sunday should be take away the best running back in the NFL and make Wentz beat us. If we can do that we win. 

 

Wentz is playing the ultimate game manager.  The large majority if his passes are within 5 yards of the los.  If they get behind they get in trouble.  There are only so many screen passes and such that can be schemed.

[RichRiderBills]

14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Wentz is playing the ultimate game manager.  The large majority if his passes are within 5 yards of the los.  If they get behind they get in trouble.  There are only so many screen passes and such that can be schemed.

 

Colts have given up 18 sacks already after giving up 21 ALL last year. Wentz is no Rivers. I don't think a game manager will beat us at home. 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Colts have given up 18 sacks already after giving up 21 ALL last year. Wentz is no Rivers. I don't think a game manager will beat us at home. 

 

Im more concerned with their run game then I am their passing game.  I dont think so either.

[CincyBillsFan]

You have to laugh at all the nervous Nellie's on 2BD for the Colts game.

 

First, the idea that last years playoff loss will motivate the Colts in any special way is silly.  BOTH teams will be motivated because this is a big game with playoff implications.

 

Second, the idea that the Bills got lucky to beat the Colts in the playoffs last year is BS.  Buffalo led 14 - 10 at half; 17 - 10 at the end of the 3rd quarter; 24 - 10 early in the 4th quarter and 27 - 17 midway through the 4th quarter. The Bills never trailed in the 2nd half.

 

Third, Rivers played a great game against the Buffalo D last year in the playoffs.  He threw for over 300 yards, two TD's and had no TO's.  It would be a long shot for Wentz to play as ell as Rivers did.

 

Fourth, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at Bills "fans" claiming that the Wentz game against Buffalo in 2019 will have anything to do with this upcoming game. Hell, Wentz has regressed as a QB since that game and Allen has gotten much better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by CincyBillsFan

[RichRiderBills]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Im more concerned with their run game then I am their passing game.  I dont think so either.

 

Me too, but I'm not as worried. We shut down the run we win easy. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

You have to laugh at all the nervous Nellie's on 2BD for the Colts game.

 

First, the idea that last years playoff loss will motivate the Colts in any special way is silly.  BOTH teams will be motivated because this is a big game with playoff implications.

 

Second, the idea that the Bills got lucky to beat the Colts in the playoffs last year is BS.  Buffalo led 14 - 10 at half; 17 - 10 at the end of the 3rd quarter; 24 - 10 early in the 4th quarter and 27 - 17 midway through the 4th quarter. The Bills never trailed in the 4th quarter.

 

Third, Rivers played a great game against the Buffalo D last year in the playoffs.  He threw for over 300 yards, two TD's and had no TO's.  It would be a long shot for Wentz to play as ell as Rivers did.

 

Fourth, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at Bills "fans" claiming that the Wentz game against Buffalo in 2019 will have anything to do with this upcoming game. Hell, Wentz has regressed as a QB since that game and Allen has gotten much better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah because the Bills did not at all have any extra motivation against KC after losing the playoff game. And of course both teams will be motivated but guarantee you the Colts players have not forgotten about that playoff loss.

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah because the Bills did not at all have any extra motivation against KC after losing the playoff game. And of course both teams will be motivated but guarantee you the Colts players have not forgotten about that playoff loss.

The Bills were beaten TWICE by KC last year and in the Championship game were beaten badly by the Chiefs. That's a lot different then getting beat by 3 points in the playoffs.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills lost to the Jags a week ago…. The Colts are a much better team than the Jags…. I expect a Bills win but why would anyone be shocked if they lost? 

I wouldn't be shocked if the Bills lost to the Colts.  Indy is a solid team.  My point is all the nervous Nellie's throwing out gloom & doom scenarios saying that a Bills loss would be expected. Given the circumstances no Bill's fan should be expecting the Colts to win.

 

So while I wouldn't be shocked by a Bills loss I expect them to win. And I prefer people who look for reasons why the Bills will win then trying to dig up every reason why they will lose. Off the top of my head the Bills playing at home and facing a less dangerous QB then they did last year in Rivers are two very good reasons why I think they win this game.

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

The Bills were beaten TWICE by KC last year and in the Championship game were beaten badly by the Chiefs. That's a lot different then getting beat by 3 points in the playoffs.

 

 

lol, dude, makes no difference how many points a team got beat by. That Bills loss to KC in the AFCCG stuck with them. Hell you could even see Bills had something extra in them when they played KC a few weeks ago.

 

Colts beat themselves against Bills in the playoffs last year and you're crazy to believe it won't be on their minds and have a chip on their shoulder. 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

If we get a couple first quarter TDs we'll run away.  Carson Wentz will turn the ball over to our DBs if he needs to make a comeback.

[CincyBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

lol, dude, makes no difference how many points a team got beat by. That Bills loss to KC in the AFCCG stuck with them. Hell you could even see Bills had something extra in them when they played KC a few weeks ago.

 

Colts beat themselves against Bills in the playoffs last year and you're crazy to believe it won't be on their minds and have a chip on their shoulder. 

Do you think the Bills were extra motivated to beat Houston this year because they lost to them in the playoffs in 2019?  Being motivated to beat KC was about way more then avenging a couple of losses. It was about becoming top dog in the AFC. The Chiefs had been to 3 straight AFC championship games and two straight Super Bowls and had beaten the Bills badly in the championship game. Being motivated to beat the Chiefs was more about claiming the top spot in the AFC then any type of personal grudge match.

 

And what do you mean the Colts beat themselves last season?  They didn't turn the ball over and didn't exactly have a lot of penalties.  It was the Bills that blew 4th quarter leads of 14 & 10 points to make the game a nail biter at the end.

 

The fact was that the Bills largely controlled the Colts stud RB holding him to 78 yards on 21 carries.  And they did it without Star!  In contrast the Colts couldn't handle the Bills stud QB who ran for 54 yards and one TD and completed 26 of 35 passes for 324 yards and two TD's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by CincyBillsFan

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Do you think the Bills were extra motivated to beat Houston this year because they lost to them in the playoffs in 2019?  Being motvted to beat KC is ay moe then avenging a couple of losses. It's about becoming top dog in the AFC. The Chiefs had been to 3 straight AFC championship games and two straight Super Bowls and had beaten the Bills badly in the championship game. Being motivated to beat the Chiefs was more about claiming the top spot in the AFC then any type of personal grudge match.

 

And what do you mean the Colts beat themselves last season?  They didn't turn the ball over and didn't exactly have a lot of penalties.  It was the Bills that blew 4th quarter leads of 14 & 10 points to make the game a nail biter at the end.

 

The fact was that the Bills largely controlled the Colts stud RB holding him to 78 yards on 21 carries.  And they did it without Star!  In contrast the Colts couldn't handle the Bills stud QB who ran for 54 yards and one TD and completed 26 of 35 passes for 324 yards and two TD's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe some, but not like against KC. Houston game was 2 years ago. Come on man! This KC stuff is fresh. You're just throwing anything out now. smh

[buffalo2218]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

 

At some point you have to let McKenzie have an opportunity to win that job

If not McKenzie, why not move Sanders to the slot and Davis on the outside?

[CSBill]

3 hours ago, gordong said:

just imagine if they played 9 games instead of just 8

I think these are all based on averages, another game could help or hurt any one of them. Hopefully this weekend raises each one of those averages. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills lost to the Jags a week ago…. The Colts are a much better team than the Jags…. I expect a Bills win but why would anyone be shocked if they lost? 

 

BBFS is an addiction hard to let go of. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just find a way to get a win. Doesn’t matter what it looks like. Keep playing greet defense, get the balance going…get 26 going early and feed Diggs. Be what we are and just hammer down and advance the season.

[finn]

Interesting inflection point for the season. I thought the offense would be much better, and I didn't expect the defense to be this good. If they can play up to their potential on offense, maintain this level of play on defense, and stay healthy, they'll easily be the best team in the league and could run the table in the playoffs, top seed or not. At least they're not peaking too early. 😏

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[gordong]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

I think these are all based on averages, another game could help or hurt any one of them. Hopefully this weekend raises each one of those averages. 

 Was referring to the Jax game. 

[RiotAct]

@CincyBillsFan I agree with your last point for sure… I’m pretty sure on that Eagles game a couple years back Wentz threw like 15 passes total.  The Eagles killed us on the ground.  Wentz had to do extremely little.

[CSBill]

31 minutes ago, gordong said:

 Was referring to the Jax game. 

ah, apologies 

[Patrick Duffy]

31 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

@CincyBillsFan I agree with your last point for sure… I’m pretty sure on that Eagles game a couple years back Wentz threw like 15 passes total.  The Eagles killed us on the ground.  Wentz had to do extremely little.

Yeah think it was 2019. Think you're about right with the 15 completions. Don't remember how many attempts he had, but was 20 or so. That's how it goes if you getting ran all over.

 

Have to keep Taylor in check as much as possible and force Wentz into making throws. Could be a tight game

[Bferra13]

4 hours ago, appoo said:

 

At some point you have to let McKenzie have an opportunity to win that job

Maybe next training camp if Beasley is gone. Sanders can slide in there and davis goes outside.

[Boatdrinks]

13 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Not exactly about the Colts game but looking at the current standings - Who do you root for in the Pats-Titans game in two weeks? I'm thinking you have to root for the Pats right if we're to have any shot at the bye week in the playoffs.

Depends if the Bills win vs Colts,@ Saints. If they do then yeah prob NE. Of course winning division more important than 1 seed so you can make the argument for TEN as well . 

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah think it was 2019. Think you're about right with the 15 completions. Don't remember how many attempts he had, but was 20 or so. That's how it goes if you getting ran all over.

 

Have to keep Taylor in check as much as possible and force Wentz into making throws. Could be a tight game

Very windy conditions iirc

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

Maybe next training camp if Beasley is gone. Sanders can slide in there and davis goes outside.

Somehow...someway we've gotta get Gabe more targets.

[BillsFan619]

7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I wouldn't be shocked if the Bills lost to the Colts.  Indy is a solid team.  My point is all the nervous Nellie's throwing out gloom & doom scenarios saying that a Bills loss would be expected. Given the circumstances no Bill's fan should be expecting the Colts to win.

 

So while I wouldn't be shocked by a Bills loss I expect them to win. And I prefer people who look for reasons why the Bills will win then trying to dig up every reason why they will lose. Off the top of my head the Bills playing at home and facing a less dangerous QB then they did last year in Rivers are two very good reasons why I think they win this game.

 

 

Yeah, I hear ya.

 

We could definitely lose to the Colts. The Jags game is the most recent reminder that anything can happen. I also get that sometimes good teams just don’t matchup well vs mediocre teams. And because of that, the mediocre team ends up winning at times.

 

That said, it’s weird how some prop up mediocre teams to the point that they get very concerned about them. Then, at the same time, they seem to forget how good the Bills are.

Edited November 16, 2021 by BillsFan619

[Patrick Duffy]

32 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Yeah, I hear ya.

 

We could definitely lose to the Colts. The Jags game is the most recent reminder that anything can happen. I also get that sometimes good teams just don’t matchup well vs mediocre teams. And because of that, the mediocre team ends up winning at times.

 

That said, it’s weird how some prop up mediocre teams to the point that they get very concerned about them. Then, at the same time, they seem to forget how good the Bills are.

Yeah crazy with all these big upsets popping up like this past 2 weeks. Not sure if some teams over looked the bad teams or what. But it's weird with how many stunners went down in that short span. Don't think I remember that many in 2 weeks before. Was surprising

Edited November 16, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[mannc]

14 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

His passing numbers do not tell you anything about how well he played. He made a bunch of big plays at crucial moments.

Wentz is not the same QB he was last time we faced him. He’s broken. He was the worst starting QB in the NFL last year (narrowly beating out Cam for the honor) and I see no real evidence that anything has changed much.  He’s a big step down from the 40-year old version of Philip Rivers we faced last January.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

Again for anyone worried about Wentz, I'd watch the highlights of the Colts-Jags game and also recommend reading some of the articles from the Colts SB Nation site...

 

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/11/15/22782645/carson-wentz-stat-tracker-week-10 

 

"Bad, bad, bad. I’m not sure about you, but when my QB plays the worst passing defense in the league, I expect him to be . . . oh, I don’t know . . . not awful?."

 

"Wentz’s inconsistency over the season is literally on display with these roller coaster charts."

 

"For those that think Wentz is playing like a top 10 QB. I want you to do 3 things:

-Stop thinking that.

-Really look at the above charts and count the number of games that he has been below average in these measures . . . measures of events that actually drive offensive points.

-Write down the 22 QBs that you think are playing worse than Wentz and refer back to #1.

 

On the year, Wentz is far from horrible, but he is also far from very good."

 

If I'm the Bills, I do whatever it takes to put the clamps on Michael Pittman (their only above average receiver) and then focus all of my other resources on stopping Jonathan Taylor and the run game. Quenton Nelson is dealing with an ankle injury right now and hasn't been his usual dominant self (was given the Least Valuable Player Award for the Jags game by the same website above) and Eric Fisher is very average at LT. Hopefully we get Star and Tremaine back, but either way the Colts offense is really top heavy with Pittman/Taylor and I trust our defense to get the job done. 

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

16 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i believe I read that he came back into that game yesterday. 

I think that's right, but it doesn't sound like he's playing that well...

 

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/11/15/22782965/monday-morning-awards-week-10-colts-vs-jaguars

 

"Dud of the Game (The Grigsy): Quenton Nelson

While Nelson is among the best guards in the NFL, and I would already put him among the best guards of all time, the truth is yesterday just was not his game. Still looking hobbled from the ankle injury he suffered early in the year, Nelson allowed 4 pressures and never got to truly assert himself on the line. This is just him shaking the rust off and getting back to 100%, but yesterday it was certainly bad."

[CSBill]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Somehow...someway we've gotta get Gabe more targets.

 

The Colts could not stop him the last time we played them.

[CSBill]

28 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

Again for anyone worried about Wentz, I'd watch the highlights of the Colts-Jags game and also recommend reading some of the articles from the Colts SB Nation site...

 

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/11/15/22782645/carson-wentz-stat-tracker-week-10 

 

"Bad, bad, bad. I’m not sure about you, but when my QB plays the worst passing defense in the league, I expect him to be . . . oh, I don’t know . . . not awful?."

 

 

Wow! Those are some impressive charts. Not sure I understood any of them, but they are impressive. I think what it all says is: Carson Wentz sucks - here is my chart for that:

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by CSBill

[wjag]

9 hours ago, RiotAct said:

@CincyBillsFan I agree with your last point for sure… I’m pretty sure on that Eagles game a couple years back Wentz threw like 15 passes total.  The Eagles killed us on the ground.  Wentz had to do extremely little.

It was also crazy windy.  I was at the game and took a video of the flags blowing.  You couldn’t hear the in game announcements over the wind.  Prior to Jax, that was the most upset I was after a Bills game.  The Bills were flat and Philly was eating game clock rushing the ball.  

[Hebert19]

Colts have played 5 upper half QBs this year.   (Pro bowlers at some point)

 

They are 0-5.  

 

Lost to:

titans x2

Ravens

Seahawks

Rams

 

Taylor scares me...but Wentz and that D do not.  

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Royale with Cheese]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I created a thread about deep down not thinking our defense was elite...it was very good.

I'm starting to creep to that elite area...those rankings are insane.  

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They really haven’t been challenged by a good QB all year( other than Tanne if you consider him that). Interested to see how they perform against Brady in December…. And Jones actually….. they’ve had an extremely easy go against some mediocre to bad QBs this season. 

Mahomes?

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Mahomes?

He’s no mac Jones, obviously 

[Royale with Cheese]

28 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They really haven’t been challenged by a good QB all year( other than Tanne if you consider him that). Interested to see how they perform against Brady in December…. And Jones actually….. they’ve had an extremely easy go against some mediocre to bad QBs this season. 

 

If Brady has a good day against them, that doesn't mean they aren't a good defense.  

If they aren't elite yet, they are knocking at the door and at worst, a top 3 defense.  

 

Yes, they haven't haven't played elite QB's yet but we are still at the top in pass and run defense.  They are shutting offenses down.

Any great defense plays a lot of mediocre to bad QB's.

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Forgot about Mahomes, he’s been struggling most of the year but they did play great that night against him.

 

The 3 weeks prior, the Chiefs put up 42, 24 and 35 points before playing us.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea. Really their one bad game was against the Titans. Thought they were too focused on stopping Henry as Tanne killed them with the PA.

 

If there's one thing I will criticize McDermott for, he gives too much respect to certain players.

We respected Mahomes too much last year and finally attacked them this year.

We respected Henry too much and we couldn't get anywhere close to Tanny and he killed us.  

 

If we play the Titans again, attack them like you would attack anyone.  Who cares if Henry gets his yards, he will. 

We just can't let Tanny have it easy.