[Edit -Released by Raiders] Henry Ruggs involved in a fatal car crash, "DUI resulting in death" charges expected

[Bubba Gump]

15 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He was buying it to make meth.  That's the reason pseudoephedrine is kept locked behind the counter.

 

No matter how well you know someone, you never really know them fully.  Even spouses. 

 

He wasn't making meth, I'm 100% sure. 

[Bill from NYC]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I’ll say it again: no chance he had 18 drinks “in a few hours” then test only .16 pretty soon after leaving the place. 

Agreed. Not possible.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[Bferra13]

On 11/5/2021 at 2:03 AM, unbillievable said:

 

A few states classify "street racing" by speed, not intention.

Would this qualify, or does insurance companies have different rules. 

Defined by the insurance policy as "organized racing." So has to be pre planned. Like not just see a dude at a red light and decide to race him.

[Warcodered]

 

I don't know if there is a good plan out there for him, but this doesn't feel like a great idea.

[StHustle]

29 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

I don't know if there is a good plan out there for him, but this doesn't feel like a great idea.

If I did what he did (and I know him to be a good kid who made a catastrophic decision and royally threw it all away, and worse killed a young innocent women who was minding her own business) I wouldn’t even fight the case honestly. I’d take the best plea deal offered…if there wasn’t an offer since it’s a slam dunk….still plead guilty and take whatever I earned.

 

I know he is just listening to the advice of his scumbag lawyers and this wasn’t his idea but so tf what Id fire them and plead guilty. 

[NewEra]

The police didn’t have probable cause for a blood sample?  LOL.  
 

Driving 120 mph on a side street, crashing into a young woman and her dog, causing her car to turn into a blazing inferno while you watch and listen to her screams for help isn’t probable cause.

[JTown]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The police didn’t have probable cause for a blood sample?  LOL.  
 

Driving 120 mph on a side street, crashing into a young woman and her dog, causing her car to turn into a blazing inferno while you watch and listen to her screams for help isn’t probable cause.

Yep... everyone is innocent until proven guilty.   Johnny  Cochran would approve of this attorneys approach. 

[TheWeatherMan]

7 hours ago, StHustle said:

If I did what he did (and I know him to be a good kid who made a catastrophic decision and royally threw it all away, and worse killed a young innocent women who was minding her own business) I wouldn’t even fight the case honestly. I’d take the best plea deal offered…if there wasn’t an offer since it’s a slam dunk….still plead guilty and take whatever I earned.

 

I know he is just listening to the advice of his scumbag lawyers and this wasn’t his idea but so tf what Id fire them and plead guilty. 

His lawyers job is to ensure this dingus receives a fair trial.  If LE or the DA screw things up that’s on them, not on the lawyer or the accused.  People so quick to assume all lawyers are scum when really it’s the nature of their job when representing people charged with heinous crimes.  

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

His lawyers job is to ensure this dingus receives a fair trial.  If LE or the DA screw things up that’s on them, not on the lawyer or the accused.  People so quick to assume all lawyers are scum when really it’s the nature of their job when representing people charged with heinous crimes.  

 

Exactly this. Our system depends, entirely, on everyone having proper legal representation. Defence attorneys are providing an essential public service. Seeing them as "scum" for doing their jobs is totally unfair. 

[John from Riverside]

Always follow your lawyer’s advice in this situation the DA is looking to make a name for them self on every case

[StHustle]

4 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

His lawyers job is to ensure this dingus receives a fair trial.  If LE or the DA screw things up that’s on them, not on the lawyer or the accused.  People so quick to assume all lawyers are scum when really it’s the nature of their job when representing people charged with heinous crimes.  

 

Bro I am well versed on the legal system. But if I know I was wasted and did some ish like this, why would I need a trial? Why put that woman's family through wondering if somehow your riches will get you off?? They need and deserve justice. Explain how getting my BAC excluded is a fair trial? Sounds like attempting to skirt the system to me! I wasn't always who I am now. I am a convicted felon. My crimes were "victimless" tho and of course I'm trying my best to lighten my charges and hopefully beat the case or get a light sentence. But not if I KILLED SOMEONE completely cause of my recklessness. 

 

This is not your usual case and yes a lawyer that is trying to help a man get away with this is a scumbag to me. I don't care what you say. Yes he deserves representation...plenty scumbags willing to take his money! I don't care what the law is or how the system is created to work...any person attempting to help someone get away with the murder of a completely innocent person is a SCUMBAG! It don't make it ok cause it's your job! Hitler had plenty workers as well!

[TheWeatherMan]

17 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Bro I am well versed on the legal system. But if I know I was wasted and did some ish like this, why would I need a trial? Why put that woman's family through wondering if somehow your riches will get you off?? They need and deserve justice. Explain how getting my BAC excluded is a fair trial? Sounds like attempting to skirt the system to me! I wasn't always who I am now. I am a convicted felon. My crimes were "victimless" tho and of course I'm trying my best to lighten my charges and hopefully beat the case or get a light sentence. But not if I KILLED SOMEONE completely cause of my recklessness. 

 

This is not your usual case and yes a lawyer that is trying to help a man get away with this is a scumbag to me. I don't care what you say. Yes he deserves representation...plenty scumbags willing to take his money! I don't care what the law is or how the system is created to work...any person attempting to help someone get away with the murder of a completely innocent person is a SCUMBAG! It don't make it ok cause it's your job! Hitler had plenty workers as well!

Nothing I say to this will change your mind on due process or the right to a fair trial.  Lawyers don’t determine who is/isn't guilty, the jury does.  Lawyers are there to ensure the defendants get a fair trial , that is all.  This like hating on a military doctor that revives an adversary combatant.  They both do their job independent of who their patient/client is.  As for the remainder on your paragraph I have no comment.  P.S. I’m not your bro…pal 😝 

Edited June 13, 2022 by TheWeatherMan

[StHustle]

34 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Nothing I say to this will change your mind on due process or the right to a fair trial.  Lawyers don’t determine who is/isn't guilty, the jury does.  Lawyers are there to ensure the defendants get a fair trial , that is all.  This like hating on a military doctor that revives an adversary combatant.  They both do their job independent of who their patient/client is.  As for the remainder on your paragraph I have no comment.  P.S. I’m not your bro…pal 😝 

 

Again....an argument is being made that police had no probable cause to take his BAC and trying to get it thrown out of evidence. A YOUNG WOMAN BURNED TO DEATH! So to you all cases are equal? You act like he got caught stealing a candy bar! Who cares if he gets off on a technicality in that. I believe people should own up to their actions...this is an open and closed case. Plead guilty and hope the judge shows mercy on you for being a stand up person and not dragging that unfortunate girls family through a trial and attempting to get away with her murder. 

 

And yes he does has a right to representation. But if I'm a lawyer...I'm not gonna take just any case! The scumbag money hungry attention seeking attorneys can jump all over that one. To say someone isn't scum cause they're doing theyre job is being very simple minded. You can't tell many any upstanding human being would attempt to get a man off who they know in fact raped children cause they can use some technicality in the law books and get the case thrown out. Set him free to go rape more kids then just say you were doing your job. Make it make sense. Some people act like complete sheep. Use your own brain and stop letting society tell you what's right and wrong and how things should go. God gave humans consciences for a reason!

Edited June 13, 2022 by StHustle

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

 

Again....an argument is being made that police had no probable cause to take his BAC and trying to get it thrown out of evidence. A YOUNG WOMAN BURNED TO DEATH! So to you all cases are equal? You act like he got caught stealing a candy bar! Who cares if he gets off on a technicality in that. I believe people should own up to their actions...this is an open and closed case. Plead guilty and hope the judge shows mercy on you for being a stand up person and not dragging that unfortunate girls family through a trial and attempting to get away with her murder. 

 

And yes he does has a right to representation. But if I'm a lawyer...I'm not gonna take just any case! The scumbag money hungry attention seeking attorneys can jump all over that one. To say someone isn't scum cause they're doing theyre job is being very simple minded. You can't tell many any upstanding human being would attempt to get a man off who they know in fact raped children cause they can use some technicality in the law books and get the case thrown out. Set him free to go rape more kids then just say you were doing your job. Make it make sense. Some people act like complete sheep. Use your own brain and stop letting society tell you what's right and wrong and how things should go. God gave humans consciences for a reason!

 

So who decides whether this a case where the defendant deserves representation? You based on your sense of morality? 

 

Yea. I think I will stick with the current system, thanks. Every single individual deserves to be properly represented. If nothing else to ensure that when said person is convicted that person cannot later find a procedural irregularatory to have the conviction quashed. Better that the original trial lawyer raises those matters initially and the original court is presented with any such arguments. 

 

Good defense attorneys are performing an essential societal service. Even when they are defending "bad" people.

[Chicken Boo]

14 hours ago, StHustle said:

If I did what he did (and I know him to be a good kid who made a catastrophic decision and royally threw it all away, and worse killed a young innocent women who was minding her own business) I wouldn’t even fight the case honestly. I’d take the best plea deal offered…if there wasn’t an offer since it’s a slam dunk….still plead guilty and take whatever I earned.

 

I know he is just listening to the advice of his scumbag lawyers and this wasn’t his idea but so tf what Id fire them and plead guilty. 

 

You say that until your lawyers show you what kind of time you're looking at.

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Again....an argument is being made that police had no probable cause to take his BAC and trying to get it thrown out of evidence. A YOUNG WOMAN BURNED TO DEATH! So to you all cases are equal? You act like he got caught stealing a candy bar! Who cares if he gets off on a technicality in that. I believe people should own up to their actions...this is an open and closed case. Plead guilty and hope the judge shows mercy on you for being a stand up person and not dragging that unfortunate girls family through a trial and attempting to get away with her murder. 

 

And yes he does has a right to representation. But if I'm a lawyer...I'm not gonna take just any case! The scumbag money hungry attention seeking attorneys can jump all over that one. To say someone isn't scum cause they're doing theyre job is being very simple minded. You can't tell many any upstanding human being would attempt to get a man off who they know in fact raped children cause they can use some technicality in the law books and get the case thrown out. Set him free to go rape more kids then just say you were doing your job. Make it make sense. Some people act like complete sheep. Use your own brain and stop letting society tell you what's right and wrong and how things should go. God gave humans consciences for a reason!

It seems your anger should be directed toward Ruggs; he’s the one you said should just plead guilty.  The lawyer is just doing what Ruggs is paying him to do. Ruggs could decline to have this motion advanced. But it looks like he’s going to fight this all the way, which is his decision and his right. 

Edited June 13, 2022 by WotAGuy

[Warcodered]

33 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

It seems your anger should be directed toward Ruggs; he’s the one you said should just plead guilty.  The lawyer is just doing what Ruggs is paying him to do. Ruggs could decline to have this motion advanced. But it looks like he’s going to fight this all the way, which is his decision and his right. 

He could also be hoping to get a better deal, which is easier if they can weaken the prosecutions case some.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, StHustle said:

This is not your usual case and yes a lawyer that is trying to help a man get away with this is a scumbag to me. I don't care what you say. Yes he deserves representation...plenty scumbags willing to take his money! I don't care what the law is or how the system is created to work...any person attempting to help someone get away with the murder of a completely innocent person is a SCUMBAG! It don't make it ok cause it's your job! Hitler had plenty workers as well!

 

If a lawyer was unwilling to represent him the county would have to provide him with a public defense attorney anyways. And if his attorney didn't defend him to the best of his ability he could have the conviction thrown out in appeals court. Convicting someone of a major crime isn't supposed to be easy. Defense attorneys have a thankless job but it's necessary to keep our justice system totally equal.

[BillsShredder83]

What this guy did was horrible. He should do jail time. Never drive again.

However I don't believe he should spend his life in jail. There's a difference between reckless and malicious. This is a personal feeling, but I don't believe this level of reckless deserves life in jail. I would reserve that for multiple human fatalities, but that's just me, and I know everyone is different.

[StHustle]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So who decides whether this a case where the defendant deserves representation? You based on your sense of morality? 

 

Yea. I think I will stick with the current system, thanks. Every single individual deserves to be properly represented. If nothing else to ensure that when said person is convicted that person cannot later find a procedural irregularatory to have the conviction quashed. Better that the original trial lawyer raises those matters initially and the original court is presented with any such arguments. 

 

Good defense attorneys are performing an essential societal service. Even when they are defending "bad" people.

 
I never said he doesn’t deserve representation. When did I say that? Maybe I should make bullet points so you understand what hat I’m saying.

 

•Everyone deserves res presentation and there are plenty slimeball lawyers available to try to get people off who are clearly guilty. In my opinion, any lawyer who indeed takes that sort of case fits in that category.

 

•In a case where you know that, in fact you were committing multiple crimes that caused an innocent person to die, you shouldn’t try to get off but simply plead for the least time you’ll have to serve. I can understand doing that, and that always involve admitting guilt and pleading accordingly.

 

•This case is an extreme one and all cases should be viewed independently based on circumstances and not have some blanket idea applied to it as if it’s equal. His actions caused a young woman to burn alive along with her dog. Witness heard her screaming! So effin sad man. How can you view a lawyer attempting to use a technicality in an attempt to help a person who did this get off Scott free as anything but scumbag behavior? Again, there are plenty scumbag lawyers willing to do this and just cause they are stepping in to provide this “essential service” it still takes one of these scumbag lawyers I spoke of to fill this role. Doesn’t make them any less of a scumbag cause they’re doing their job. 

 

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2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

You say that until your lawyers show you what kind of time you're looking at.

 
I would man up and face it! My actions caused a totally innocent person to have a horrible death and family left to deal with that  fact their lives one went out burning alive for the rest of their lives.

 

 

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1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

It seems your anger should be directed toward Ruggs; he’s the one you said should just plead guilty.  The lawyer is just doing what Ruggs is paying him to do. Ruggs could decline to have this motion advanced. But it looks like he’s going to fight this all the way, which is his decision and his right. 

I am definitely upset with Ruggs! He should MAN TF UP! However I’m sure his lawyer would love the accolades of somehow winning this case and getting him off Scott free. What a boost to their career right! Who cares what injustices or victims family members who get completely crushed all over agin in the process!

 

 

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[StHustle]

41 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If a lawyer was unwilling to represent him the county would have to provide him with a public defense attorney anyways. And if his attorney didn't defend him to the best of his ability he could have the conviction thrown out in appeals court. Convicting someone of a major crime isn't supposed to be easy. Defense attorneys have a thankless job but it's necessary to keep our justice system totally equal.

Ok and we all have free will. So if you were a public defender and assigned a case where it’s very evident a man molests kids but there is some glaring technicality that could set him free, would YOU accept this case and help him get off to boost your career or decline and let someone with no morals go ahead and handle it? Again, the world or any county even will never be short of scumbag lawyers who would live to represent a high profile defendant and get them off no matter how heinous the crime is they obviously are guilty of.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, StHustle said:

Ok and we all have free will. So if you were a public defender and assigned a case where it’s very evident a man molests kids but there is some glaring technicality that could set him free, would YOU accept this case and help him get off to boost your career or decline and let someone with no morals go ahead and handle it? Again, the world or any county even will never be short of scumbag lawyers who would live to represent a high profile defendant and get them off no matter how heinous the crime is they obviously are guilty of.

 

It isn't about boosting your career. Even the most heinous criminals deserve a defense lawyer who does everything in his or her power in the interests of their client. 

 

To suggest otherwise is to undermine the very fabric of our justice system. 

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, StHustle said:

So if you were a public defender and assigned a case where it’s very evident a man molests kids but there is some glaring technicality that could set him free, would YOU accept this case and help him get off to boost your career or decline and let someone with no morals go ahead and handle it?

 

A public defender who didn't accept that case would be out of a job. If you allow for the justice system to create exceptions, then you accept that those exceptions will sometimes be applied incorrectly and ultimately put innocent people behind bars. We leave as little room as possible for error in the justice system to make sure everyone gets the same treatment.

[starrymessenger]

55 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

What this guy did was horrible. He should do jail time. Never drive again.

However I don't believe he should spend his life in jail. There's a difference between reckless and malicious. This is a personal feeling, but I don't believe this level of reckless deserves life in jail. I would reserve that for multiple human fatalities, but that's just me, and I know everyone is different.

I agree. In terms of intentionality there is a clear difference IMO between criminal negligence causing death and murder 1. I don’t even think that the difference in characterization would change with the number of victims.  Even though he is entirely at fault so that he has earned  the consequences his life too is pretty much over. Just a horrible outcome all around.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

57 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Ok and we all have free will. So if you were a public defender and assigned a case where it’s very evident a man molests kids but there is some glaring technicality that could set him free, would YOU accept this case and help him get off to boost your career or decline and let someone with no morals go ahead and handle it? Again, the world or any county even will never be short of scumbag lawyers who would live to represent a high profile defendant and get them off no matter how heinous the crime is they obviously are guilty of.

 

This is easily the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this board in 20 years. 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

 
I never said he doesn’t deserve representation. When did I say that? Maybe I should make bullet points so you understand what hat I’m saying.

 

•Everyone deserves res presentation and there are plenty slimeball lawyers available to try to get people off who are clearly guilty. In my opinion, any lawyer who indeed takes that sort of case fits in that category.

 

•In a case where you know that, in fact you were committing multiple crimes that caused an innocent person to die, you shouldn’t try to get off but simply plead for the least time you’ll have to serve. I can understand doing that, and that always involve admitting guilt and pleading accordingly.

 

•This case is an extreme one and all cases should be viewed independently based on circumstances and not have some blanket idea applied to it as if it’s equal. His actions caused a young woman to burn alive along with her dog. Witness heard her screaming! So effin sad man. How can you view a lawyer attempting to use a technicality in an attempt to help a person who did this get off Scott free as anything but scumbag behavior? Again, there are plenty scumbag lawyers willing to do this and just cause they are stepping in to provide this “essential service” it still takes one of these scumbag lawyers I spoke of to fill this role. Doesn’t make them any less of a scumbag cause they’re doing their job. 

 

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I would man up and face it! My actions caused a totally innocent person to have a horrible death and family left to deal with that  fact their lives one went out burning alive for the rest of their lives.

 

 

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I am definitely upset with Ruggs! He should MAN TF UP! However I’m sure his lawyer would love the accolades of somehow winning this case and getting him off Scott free. What a boost to their career right! Who cares what injustices or victims family members who get completely crushed all over agin in the process!

 

 

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2 hours ago, StHustle said:

Ok and we all have free will. So if you were a public defender and assigned a case where it’s very evident a man molests kids but there is some glaring technicality that could set him free, would YOU accept this case and help him get off to boost your career or decline and let someone with no morals go ahead and handle it? Again, the world or any county even will never be short of scumbag lawyers who would live to represent a high profile defendant and get them off no matter how heinous the crime is they obviously are guilty of.

Who gets to decide which are the special cases are with the special rules?

 

It sucks but it's just how it is, there is no perfect system where only and all of the guilty are punished.

 

Besides even if he did manage to get the DUI aspect of the suppressed, driving 150+mph and killing someone in another car isn't something you don't go to jail for.

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

 

This is easily the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this board in 20 years. 

 

You must be an attorney. Lol...please explain or your post is worst than mine. 

 

Simply shared my opinion that any attorney who knows their client is guilty should drop the case. PERIOD. To move forward and attempt to figure how to help them get away their crime makes you a scumbag in my book. Yes they need a lawyer but that doesn't mean it has to be you. Let one of your scumbag colleagues handle the case.

 

If that's the dumbest thing you've ever read here then either you don't read or have questionable morals.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

You must be an attorney. Lol...please explain or your post is worst than mine. 

 

Simply shared my opinion that any attorney who knows their client is guilty should drop the case. PERIOD. To move forward and attempt to figure how to help them get away their crime makes you a scumbag in my book. Yes they need a lawyer but that doesn't mean it has to be you. Let one of your scumbag colleagues handle the case.

 

If that's the dumbest thing you've ever read here then either you don't read or have questionable morals.

 

If every attorney did as you suggest and went around saying "I think this one is guilty I am not touching it" the result would be a system where a whole bunch of people get no representation. That would destroy our system and lead to huge unfairness. 

 

Everyone is entitled to due process. Everyone is entitled to representation and everyone is entitled to their day in court. 

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

You must be an attorney. Lol...please explain or your post is worst than mine. 

 

Simply shared my opinion that any attorney who knows their client is guilty should drop the case. PERIOD. To move forward and attempt to figure how to help them get away their crime makes you a scumbag in my book. Yes they need a lawyer but that doesn't mean it has to be you. Let one of your scumbag colleagues handle the case.

 

If that's the dumbest thing you've ever read here then either you don't read or have questionable morals.

So you’re basically stating you don’t believe in the due process.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

 

You must be an attorney. Lol...please explain or your post is worst than mine. 

 

Simply shared my opinion that any attorney who knows their client is guilty should drop the case. PERIOD. To move forward and attempt to figure how to help them get away their crime makes you a scumbag in my book. Yes they need a lawyer but that doesn't mean it has to be you. Let one of your scumbag colleagues handle the case.

 

If that's the dumbest thing you've ever read here then either you don't read or have questionable morals.

How could defense attorneys realistically exist if they only represented innocent people? I mean the entire objective of the State's side is to prosecute people they think they can convict of a crime, that doesn't exactly create a large market of innocent people needing defense attorneys.

[LabattBlue]

4 hours ago, StHustle said:

… Again, the world or any county even will never be short of scumbag lawyers who would live to represent a high profile defendant and get them off no matter how heinous the crime is they obviously are guilty of.

Damn….were you wronged by a lawyer at some point in your life? Lot of anger in  your posts in this thread. 😱

[cba fan]

5 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

What this guy did was horrible. He should do jail time. Never drive again.

However I don't believe he should spend his life in jail. There's a difference between reckless and malicious. This is a personal feeling, but I don't believe this level of reckless deserves life in jail. I would reserve that for multiple human fatalities, but that's just me, and I know everyone is different.

hmmm. So if his gf had died in the crash too then life in prison? But hitting a girl at 156 mph in city street coming home from bf place and burning alive along w her dog as bystanders heard her screams and tried in vain to get her out is not ??

 

I don't know. Glad I am not a judge and have to face all the families with my decision.

[BillsShredder83]

6 minutes ago, cba fan said:

hmmm. So if his gf had died in the crash too then life in prison? But hitting a girl at 156 mph in city street coming home from bf place and burning alive along w her dog as bystanders heard her screams and tried in vain to get her out is not ??

 

I don't know. Glad I am not a judge and have to face all the families with my decision.

Not really something you can throw a trivial number on. The dudes not a predator... i dont believe hes an imminent threat to the public in the way that Manson is,there's levels and degrees to everything.

What happened I personally don't believe jail for life solves much.

 

Now someone starts a reckless but accidental fire in an apt building and 9 people die? Getting closer. It's really a case by case kinda thing, and that's why judges decide on sentencing, and there isn't just a one size fits all flat sentence for every crime 🤷‍♂️ still sucks all around

[Augie]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If every attorney did as you suggest and went around saying "I think this one is guilty I am not touching it" the result would be a system where a whole bunch of people get no representation. That would destroy our system and lead to huge unfairness. 

 

Everyone is entitled to due process. Everyone is entitled to representation and everyone is entitled to their day in court. 

 

Everyone is also entitled to their own opinions, no matter how emotional, ridiculous and utterly irrational they may be. 

 

Goodness! It’s the best process that exists, I believe. It won’t always be perfect, but I don’t see a better option.  Making any kind of decisions before the process runs it’s course is pure foolishness and undermines our entire legal system. Treat everyone fairly and equally. Period. Then let the chips fall where they may, and pray you got it right. 

 

 

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Edited June 13, 2022 by Augie

[CNYfan]

I am not going to post in this thread that has veered far afield from football, but like many football concepts I am agreeing with Mr. Gunner on this issue.  I have things to say but would rather not get involved in an internet legal philosophy debate on TBD - TSW.

[Mr. WEO]

This isn’t surprising at all.  Pretty standard to challenge the evidence or the way it was obtained.

 

I can’t see how he has any other tactical alternative for this defense 

[Southern_Bills]

3 hours ago, cba fan said:

 

I don't know. Glad I am not a judge and have to face all the families with my decision.

Couldn't agree more with this part.

 

Ruggs life is destroyed as is, and rightfully so, I for one don't think life is appropriate. 

 

What is? Not for me to decide. 

 

With the SF case of the teenager hitting the mom and baby and simply getting probation (which is a joke) there seems to be not alot of consistency in sentencing. 

 

Glad I don't have to make these decisions for sure though.

[NoSaint]

9 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

What this guy did was horrible. He should do jail time. Never drive again.

However I don't believe he should spend his life in jail. There's a difference between reckless and malicious. This is a personal feeling, but I don't believe this level of reckless deserves life in jail. I would reserve that for multiple human fatalities, but that's just me, and I know everyone is different.

so that she did not have a passenger was the tipping point?

[BillsShredder83]

55 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

so that she did not have a passenger was the tipping point?

If that's what you took from it, sure 👌

Guess its difficult to understand degrees in this country. Not everything is a 1 or 10. 

Its hard to imagine that more deaths equals a degree or two worse?

[Chandler#81]

Cleveland will sign him for $1Billion, fully guaranteed. It’s how they roll.