doubledd67 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I agree the offensive line and not having and not having a fast physical RB is a issues had that not been the problem we would have won but it doesn't explain that defensive performance should have kicked the field goal and went to OT smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The Bills arenât a good short yardage team on offense is an issue. Â On defense they just had a real bad night. Not worried there as the game is slanted towards offensive production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The biggest âissueâ is that Beane traded away an All Pro interior lineman and has thrown three straight second round picks in the garbage. Â The Bills are a great team, but theyâd be an elite team with at least one more impact player at guard, CB, WR or pass rusher. Â Those second round picks have real value and Beane squanders them for no good reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 hours ago, TtownBillsFan said: Do you know any front four, without blitzing, that get even GOOD pressure with their front four? We have a GREAT rotation in the front four. We'll have it all year (we're pretty deep there). We will get SOME pressure from the front four, some plays/days/games better than others. But we don't, right now, have the new BRUUUUUCE on the line. Those are once a generation for a reason. We had decent play, when he wasn't being HELD every other play, by Jerry Hughes. We MIGHT have another really nice edge-rusher in the rook. But give it a break; teams don't get studs on both sides of the line for multiple years. We have close to that right now, this year. Just one of those is in his waining years, and the other is a rook. Give it a bit of time to level out. Ed Oliver and AJ were drafted pretty hi and neither are really helping, Ed got blown up all night and hardly ever makes a play and A.J canât get on the field the guy up top is right we have spent a lot of draft on the D line and itâs not helping. Maybe we should focus that to the oline because we canât run block to save our life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Couldn't agree more. We did nothing to improve the run game. Breida sucks and is inactive. Our OL like last year is incapable of blocking on either side. And our 2 headed running back lacks any type of playmaking ability. 2 minutes ago, 97bills said: Ed Oliver and AJ were drafted pretty hi and neither are really helping, Ed got blown up all night and hardly ever makes a play and A.J canât get on the field the guy up top is right we have spent a lot of draft on the D line and itâs not helping. Maybe we should focus that to the oline because we canât run block to save our life. Too bad we didn't draft up a couple spots and take Diggs. We've have 2 great corners. But the bottom line is we're only going as far as the OL/DL take us. Last night they both sucked..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Lol its the offensive linemen...run blocking is not their strength. Singletary/moss had some impressive carries tonight despite having zero holes to speak of. The salary cap is reduced this season and offensive line talent across the league is diminishing...your team is always going to have weaknesses no matter who you are. The fact that we have people screaming to run the ball with a running back when you have an absolute freak at qb and you can do run-like quick underneath passes to someone like MacKenzie blows my mind it's like y'all want to lose lol I agree with you about the oline canât run block to save there life. But everyone is scared because they no you have to be able to run the ball to win a super bowl period. Win you get in playoffs or make it to a super bowl and your one dimensional itâs game over, we saw that last year in KC win there Dline pin there ears back and rushed the passer not worried about the run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Frazier is the problem.  Every time the play book is taken away from him the players seem to know what they are doing and donât look lost .  I have  said it before we wonât go away weâre with Frazier calling the plays.  Case in point against the Steelers he let Big Ben sit back there and pick us apart.  McDermott takes the plays away in Miami and we have 5 sacks and a shut out.  Frazier, is too committed to his 19th century cover 2 and if you think playing that type of defense against KC again is going to work ask the Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Yes, the O could have played better but they put up 31 points. That's good enough to win. Imo, this loss is more on the D. They could barely touch Tannehill which is terrible considering the resources invested in the DL. Couldn't stop their run or the long drives. We played physically against the Chiefs and won. We have to solve the likes of the Titans and Bucs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Bobby Johnson is a guy who is a poor line coach.  Everyone is saying we traded away an all pro.  The secret to the browns success is Callahan he is one of the best offensive line coaches in the game.  It is not the lineman but the guy who coaches the line. I believe you should get rid of Bobby  Johnson before you get rid of lineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Hate to be the devil's advocate to the sky is falling crew, but the Bills were 5th in the league in rushing coming into the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: Frazier is the problem.  Every time the play book is taken away from him the players seem to know what they are doing and donât look lost .  I have  said it before we wonât go away weâre with Frazier calling the plays.  Case in point against the Steelers he let Big Ben sit back there and pick us apart.  McDermott takes the plays away in Miami and we have 5 sacks and a shut out.  Frazier, is too committed to his 19th century cover 2 and if you think playing that type of defense against KC again is going to work ask the Washington. I wasn't sure what Frazier was trying to do. Either try to contain Henry or not. His game plan put too much stress on the LB to play the run, react, and then drop into coverage which left lots of gaps over the middle that the QB exploited. Maybe not playing that base 4-2-5 and going with a 4-3-4 in early downs would have been better. They forced a total of two punts, the first two drives. In trying to balance stopping the run and play the pass he did neither.  Also, I didn't see it here but my big issue so far this season is holding or block in the back on kick off and punt returns every game. I expect to see a flag before every return. How many times has field position been impacted on returns and last night on McKenzie's TD return? Illegal blocks that are not even part of the play. Clean that up over the bye week.  Overall, the Bills lose a game 34-31 when going for a 4th and a couple feet because the line can't get push and Allen slips and can't get traction moving towards the line because the late night temperature drops below the dew point and the grass gets wet.   2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Titans are physical and the Bills are finesse. Not really much more than that.   so true.  we really could use a nasty physical guard. nothing would improve our O more than that.  last night, we got out coaches more than anything.  Tenn is the inferior squad, but they had an answer to everything we wanted to do. we got 31, and they did get a lot of points from goofy errors and such, but the degree of difficulty our o was playing under was simply higher than them. just like last season, they were better prepared for this game than we were.  it reminds me of the our tenn game last season, and the playoff run the titans went on in 2019. vrabel is a caveman, but he gets his guys prepped with a very specific game plan. i think if you can beat that plan, you walk to victory, but if you can't adjust, you get what we've been getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Ross Murdock said: Bills ARE NOT going to win a Super Bowl with Singletary and Moss, period. Todd Gurley is still available. He's only 27, and wouldn't he be an upgrade over Singletary? He was a bruiser just two years ago. I realize nobody has touched him, but going to a SB contender might get him going! Cut Breida and bring him in. They have everything to lose by staying with the current RB's. They have done NOTHING all year.   Gurley may be an upgrade over Moss. Singletary consistently averages over 5 ypc and everyone hates on him. He's a better back than Moss. 1 minute ago, colin said:  so true.  we really could use a nasty physical guard. nothing would improve our O more than that.  last night, we got out coaches more than anything.  Tenn is the inferior squad, but they had an answer to everything we wanted to do. we got 31, and they did get a lot of points from goofy errors and such, but the degree of difficulty our o was playing under was simply higher than them. just like last season, they were better prepared for this game than we were.  it reminds me of the our tenn game last season, and the playoff run the titans went on in 2019. vrabel is a caveman, but he gets his guys prepped with a very specific game plan. i think if you can beat that plan, you walk to victory, but if you can't adjust, you get what we've been getting. We had open receivers all over for a lot of the game. Allen ignored them trying to play hero ball. They didn't have an answer for everything we did. This one is on player execution. We should have blown them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The special teams penalties are inexcusable. Thatâs the sign of a poorly coached team. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Their defensive line was ridiculously badâĤ. Still think they some what blew it by not pursing one of the myriad of good veteran pass rushers available in FA in favor of Addison and Butler. RB is the least of their problems. If they donât win a SB it will be because they failed to properly address both linesâĤ. The Cody Ford pick could be the pick that holds them back. Wouldnt go that far.  Groot lost his contain on the two big running plays but beyond that they held up well, issue was mainly the strategy on third downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Very mediocre pass rush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They 4 man rush was non existent.  They didnât sniff a guy who was the most sacked QB in the league entering the game. Because we were so worried about Henry after the big run.  Rousseau barely played after that and rightly so.  We went with our better run stuffers the rest of the game.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The threat of Henry def manipulated the defense on early downs but it seemed like every 3rd down Tanny had an eternity to throw the ballâĤ. Agreed there.  Epenesa wouldâve helped if you only put him out there on 3rd and long alone.  I wouldâve put Rousseau back out there on clear passing situations too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Last Night??  The defense. It is not as good as we thought they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Last Night??  The defense. It is not as good as we thought they were. I think they are still good. We donât play well against power teams. Our offense needs to be able to take over games against these kind of teams, to get a substantial lead early. If Josh goes 3 and out against a team like Tennessee and TB we become trapped and even more 1 dimensional than we already are. Every time we play teams like this, itâs apparent our Oline isnât good enough to win a Super Bowl, but we are very close. If we had the Colts Oline we would win the super bowl this year, no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: I think they are still good. We donât play well against power teams. Our offense needs to be able to take over games against these kind of teams, to get a substantial lead early. If Josh goes 3 and out against a team like Tennessee and TB we become trapped and even more 1 dimensional than we already are. Every time we play teams like this, itâs apparent our Oline isnât good enough to win a Super Bowl, but we are very close. The offense did enough. Granted need to be better in the red zone.  6 straight drives let up Points. Tannenhill 11/11 after half. Yeah that isnât good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: The offense did enough. Granted need to be better in the red zone.  6 straight drives let up Points. Tannenhill 11/11 after half. Yeah that isnât good enough. They werenât, but again, our offensive woes at times kept Tennessee around. The best defense is a good offense. We keep Tennessee 1 dimensional, we win. The way to beat teams like TB, Tennessee, and Cleveland is to score early and force them to throw the ball. We have proven we can beat 1 dimensional teams like KC this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Ross Murdock said: Bills ARE NOT going to win a Super Bowl with Singletary and Moss, period. Todd Gurley is still available. He's only 27, and wouldn't he be an upgrade over Singletary? He was a bruiser just two years ago. I realize nobody has touched him, but going to a SB contender might get him going! Cut Breida and bring him in. They have everything to lose by staying with the current RB's. They have done NOTHING all year.   Our RBâs are not that bad.  If our line blocked a little better, youâd see a difference.  If Daboll called more run plays, youâd see better run production.  Canât run every so often and expect a competent run game.  Need to grind it out.  We are a pass first team.  O-line blocks that way, Josh plays that way and Daboll  coaches that way.  If we emphasized the run game, o-line and backs would be more in sync and get better production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: They werenât, but again, our offensive woes at times kept Tennessee around. The best defense is a good offense. We keep Tennessee 1 dimensional, we win. The way to beat teams like TB, Tennessee, and Cleveland is to score early and force them to throw the ball. We have proven we can beat 1 dimensional teams like KC this way. What kept Tenn around is Bills inability to get a stop in 6 consecutive drives. The Biggest issue on the offense is the Red-Zone woes continue. This is something that has to absolutely be looked at and solved during the bye week.  If this defense was a good as we all thought 31 would have been absolutely enough to beat Titans. And that started before the game with who they activated and didnât on Defense. The best Run defending DE inactive for Obada Edited October 19, 2021 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What kept Tenn around is Bills inability to get a stop in 6 consecutive drives. The Biggest issue on the offense is the Red-Zone woes continue. This is something that has to absolutely be looked at and solved during the bye week.  If this defense was a good as we all thought 31 would have been absolutely enough to beat Titans. I know, but the best way to stop that is to keep the offense on the field and keep extending plays and eating up clock. Offense didnât do enough in that regard. This is why we need a better Oline and RB. To beat physical teams you have to keep them off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: I know, but the best way to stop that is to keep the offense on the field and keep extending plays and eating up clock. Offense didnât do enough in that regard. This is why we need a better Oline and RB. To beat physical teams you have to keep them off the field. You mean like having more first downs?  Winning the TOP?  Yes the Bills did that.  your elite defense needs to make at least one stop. They couldnât Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: For me, itâs obvious, that RB/OL is a major need. We arenât balanced enough to take games under control because we arenât physical enough when it matters. Allen is exceptionally good, but so is Mahomes, and we have shown and been shown that it isnât enough. To win in the NFL, you have to be balanced and dominate opponents to keep them off the field in critical moments. If a team wants to take Allen out of the game, we have no counter attack. How many times have we needed Singletary or Moss to impose their will enough to extend downs and to keep enough pressure off Allen to get in a grove. Sometimes it feels like Allen still thinks to himself that he needs to play hero ball at times because he thinks he needs to pick up large chunks of yards or else. I love that he has the heart of a lion and we need that, but its wrong to place that much responsibility on Allen. Most NFL teams have just enough of a power running attack to extend plays when needed, and we just donât have that because we donât have a good enough RB and we donât have enough road graders on the line. We can blame the defense all we want, but at the end of a the day, a powerful balanced offense is the best defense. I was more surprised that the Bills didnât carve the backups all second half in the secondary.  It appeared to me the rush really flustered Allen last night as he missed a lot of wide open receivers he just doesnât usually miss.  before anyone starts rambling, no this is NOT a blueprint beat the Bills Iâd say itâs one off that caught your young QB by surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Sorry, but the panic some people have makes me laugh.  Every SB winning team, bar the Phins, have lost at least one game during the season. It happens. The Titans played a hell of a game offensively, one player in particular, and even then we still were a couple of yards from winning it. If we had people wouldn't be panicking, even though that wouldn't have changed Henry's yardage and TD totals.  We lost a heartbreaker to the Cards last year and used it to go on a run. We can do the same here.  Now if we lose to the Phins I will join you in panicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Losing before the bye is good for this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Defense is designed to stop the Chiefs, but is susceptible to teams like Tennessee.   Im sure if we play them again, weâll have a better gameplan, but games like last night can happen against physical road grading teams that have a QB capable of throwing over linebackers on PA.  OL is an issue.  Feliciano is backup quality and we need to pray Dawkins gets back to his pre-covid self because he has been on the struggle bus lately.  Left side of the line is an absolute albatross right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) People act like SB teams donât lose tough games during the season. Werenât the Bucs 3-2 last year after week 5.  With a loss to the Bears. These are over reactions. The ones during the game were even worse. Constant Bills bashing. Everyone sucks. Lol.   Edited October 19, 2021 by nedboy7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Agreed there.  Epenesa wouldâve helped if you only put him out there on 3rd and long alone.  I wouldâve put Rousseau back out there on clear passing situations too  How many 3rd and longs were there? Not many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I mean he basically did outside of one drive when he was looking for the kill shot instead of taking the easy underneath throws that were wide openâĤ He missed a lot of wide open receivers last night. I am 99% sure when he looks at the film Allen be shaking his head at just how many big plays he left out there. Like I said I think it was a fluke game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The defense is good enough to win games with our offense, but if they can't generate pressure on the better passing attacks we will have to win shootouts. That means our margin for error is smaller as exhibited last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Red zone offense. Â The end of game and 2 fgs is what decided it. Â Convert 2 of the 3 into Tds and the game isnt that close. Â They have things to clean up for sure. Â I also think the right side of the oline is slowly becoming the strong side. Â Dawkins has been nothing more than average so far. Â The defense we caught in no mans land once Henry broke off that run. Â Those days will happen. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: A center as well. There is no reason why a QB sneak canât get a good push up the middle. Morse and Mongo arenât good enough. The only NFL elite olineman we have is Brown imo. I honestly hope we draft every single pick on the line next draft and just cut the ones who donât stick. Feliciano and Dawkins got absolutely destroyed on that 4th and short play. It appears Morse got enough push to get the first down, the only problem was the left side totally collapsed on Allen. Dawkins landed in the backfield.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ski Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: For me, itâs obvious, that RB/OL is a major need. We arenât balanced enough to take games under control because we arenât physical enough when it matters. Allen is exceptionally good, but so is Mahomes, and we have shown and been shown that it isnât enough. To win in the NFL, you have to be balanced and dominate opponents to keep them off the field in critical moments. If a team wants to take Allen out of the game, we have no counter attack. How many times have we needed Singletary or Moss to impose their will enough to extend downs and to keep enough pressure off Allen to get in a grove. Sometimes it feels like Allen still thinks to himself that he needs to play hero ball at times because he thinks he needs to pick up large chunks of yards or else. I love that he has the heart of a lion and we need that, but its wrong to place that much responsibility on Allen. Most NFL teams have just enough of a power running attack to extend plays when needed, and we just donât have that because we donât have a good enough RB and we donât have enough road graders on the line. We can blame the defense all we want, but at the end of a the day, a powerful balanced offense is the best defense. Running backs do no good when there is no hole. It's not their fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, SCBills said: Defense is designed to stop the Chiefs, but is susceptible to teams like Tennessee.   Im sure if we play them again, weâll have a better gameplan, but games like last night can happen against physical road grading teams that have a QB capable of throwing over linebackers on PA.  OL is an issue.  Feliciano is backup quality and we need to pray Dawkins gets back to his pre-covid self because he has been on the struggle bus lately.  Left side of the line is an absolute albatross right now. Maybe design maybe not. But Tennessee and Cleveland are similarly bad match ups for the Bills. Teams with decent QBs and great running games and a stout defensive front are where they struggle. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 In a perfect world?  I think they need another guard to replace Feliciano.  One more big body in the middle of the defense.  I think they need a better weapon at running back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) I think a couple of calls were boarder line that last 1st down looked to me that Josh landed on the line and made it but that's me don't know why McD didn't throw the red flag unless he couldn't in that situation .  The run game has been suspect i think maybe more because of the backs being smaller i wanted them to draft some one like AJ Dillon seeing as we are in B/lo after all and IMHO need a bigger back for goal line stuff but McD likes those 5'9" 190 wish lb backs i just don't get it why would you have 2 backs with very similar skill sets ...  But penalties killed us last night just stupid ones too what there was at least 2 TD's called back because of them can't do that and expect to win !!  This was a game they should have won easily given their lack of D i think more so the team lost this one rather than the Titans won it . Edited October 19, 2021 by T master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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