streetkings01 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 41 minutes ago, KGun12TD said: Please go get him, Beane. Two shutdown Corners...God, out Dline will wreak havoc. Bills can’t pay him $15+ million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisele Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Marshon Lattimore just signed one of the richest CB deals in history and has only a $4 million cap hit this year. I don’t think Gilmore will sign a 1 year deal. He could easily get a 4 year monster deal with cap pushed to the future. I agree. It'll be a 4yr deal (which is really a 3yr deal with a stupid big 4yr salary number that he'll never see). Only problem with that is that makes available money this year really relevant. You can't squeeze all that money into just two years. I know the bonus can be spread to the 4th year and will be "dead money", but having the money available now makes your future numbers so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGeneral Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Do teams have to follow the waiver rules to pick him up or can anyone get him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisele Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, FieldGeneral said: Do teams have to follow the waiver rules to pick him up or can anyone get him? Nope. Can sign with anyone he wants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 id take him to put us over the top for the chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just now, thenorthremembers said: Understood. But how far in the future are you spreading money for a 31 year old Man Cover corner? It really depends on the market. If the market is strong I can see something that has a voidable 3rd year to spread out the cap hit. Mostly guaranteed. 3 years $40 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: It really depends on the market. If the market is strong I can see something that has a voidable 3rd year to spread out the cap hit. Mostly guaranteed. 3 years $40 million. But you still are paying the money in one way or another. Even if a team gives him the money in a bonus where they can keep it off of their cap, you're still using the owners money on a 31 year old who is coming off of an injury. Don't disagree with you that the cap can be manipulated. I just am not sure how many teams are going to line up to pay him guaranteed money. Feel like the most likely home for him is going to be Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Bucs is basically a no-brainer. They are down to Richard Sherman starting. Mayyyybe 49ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Clemfield2622 said: I hate Belichick, but the guy gets the most out of every defender. Gilmore went from an average player here, to All-Pro in New England. We'll see how he fares if they decide to start calling him for holding again now that he's out of NE. Wow. Oh, that's right, we need a whipping boy every year. Even a CB that was a pro bowler. If you thought he was average... 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: Bills can’t pay him $15+ million a year. Good luck finding any team that can pay him 15M a year in season. He will take a 1 year deal somewhere and prove he is healthy and can play at top end level to cash again in UFA in 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: But you still are paying the money in one way or another. Even if a team gives him the money in a bonus where they can keep it off of their cap, you're still using the owners money on a 31 year old who is coming off of an injury. Don't disagree with you that the cap can be manipulated. I just am not sure how many teams are going to line up to pay him guaranteed money. Feel like the most likely home for him is going to be Carolina. The demand is obviously a question. If the demand was high you’d think NE would trade him. So it’s possible demand isn’t there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, FieldGeneral said: Do teams have to follow the waiver rules to pick him up or can anyone get him? No Vested Vets are immediate UFAs (until after the trade deadline) then everyone has to pass through waivers Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: The demand is obviously a question. If the demand was high you’d think NE would trade him. So it’s possible demand isn’t there. The demand for that Contract wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: No Vested Vets are immediate UFAs (until after the trade deadline) then everyone has to pass through waivers The demand for that Contract wasn't. Contracts can be changed easily in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Contracts can be changed easily in though. Yeah by giving a new contract. Non one was trading for that, and now no one will pay big money to him either coming off PUP. He will end up taking a 1 year deal somewhere and try to hit another payday in 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Yeah by giving a new contract. Non one was trading for that, and now no one will pay big money to him either coming off PUP. He will end up taking a 1 year deal somewhere and try to hit another payday in 2022. That’s what I’m saying. Maybe the fact no one would trade for him shows he’s not likely to get more money than NE was paying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I hear ya but lets focus on wins. How many games did he win for us and how are we doing without him? Gilmore never wanted to be here to begin with, Screw him. Jmo. How many games did Schobel or Kyle Williams ever win for us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: exactly. Let’s have a little self respect. F this guy. And we are fine in the secondary. I can’t imagine McD bringing this dude in. Yeah, I'm a pro bowl CB and Bills fans don't want me here. F you Bills fans. Right back atcha. Going to NE and whip your ass. And he did. Some here still hurt. Too much $, but I'd welcome him back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) Look the reality with Him and Jaylon Smith....... When I see the "experts" immediately say Bucs and KC will be interested, that tells me that WE should also be interested. If SB Contenders are interested in these players we are a SB Contender right? I suggest Fans get over their But hurt of him in the past. If he helps bring in the Trophy THAT is all that matters. Edited October 6, 2021 by MAJBobby 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Arizona is already nasty... imagine them with Gilmore as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 This is exactly what the Chiefs needed and you know damn well that is where he is going, crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 One question I have-if he was physically ready and so good why would a team get rid of such a great player? I don’t care what your salary cap is, it’s all about winning now in the NFL and you don’t just get rid of your best defender. There’s something else going on here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Marshon Lattimore just signed one of the richest CB deals in history and has only a $4 million cap hit this year. I don’t think Gilmore will sign a 1 year deal. He could easily get a 4 year monster deal with cap pushed to the future. There's not a snowball's chance in hell he signs a 4 year deal at age 31 and coming off some soft tissue lower body injuries. Any GM that does that should be fired on the spot. Boundary corners who primarily play man don't have a shelf life past their early 30s as the speed to keep up with outside wideouts drops off. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ta111 said: One question I have-if he was physically ready and so good why would a team get rid of such a great player? I don’t care what your salary cap is, it’s all about winning now in the NFL and you don’t just get rid of your best defender. There’s something else going on here. The guy has often run from competition, failed in big moments, caused issues at key times and generally I see him as a full time mercenary and part time player. Reminds me of J Bird. He is no D Sanders, or even T White. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said: He never wanted to be here. He didn’t want to come here and he couldn’t wait to leave. It’s a much different culture here now but I still don’t think it would happen. Not in a million years Fan culture hasn't changed. They know it all...till they don't. And they don't. He was really good here. Unless you're a Bills fan. Sincerely, Star 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 He didn't like it here the first time he was here, I highly doubt he would sign here now despite the fact that we are a much better team. I would also suspect he is not a Beane and McDermott type of guy. Would have upgrade CB2, absolutely. Just don't see them going for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ta111 said: One question I have-if he was physically ready and so good why would a team get rid of such a great player? I don’t care what your salary cap is, it’s all about winning now in the NFL and you don’t just get rid of your best defender. There’s something else going on here. For any other coach you be 100% correct. This is BB who is literally playing with house money and people here are happy with the shiny new QB and realize the Pats aren’t SB contenders and are a few pieces away. (If the D gels) BB last two drafts APPEAR be good with Dugger,Uche, Jones, Baremore, and probably Stevenson to name a few. in other words BB has job security he can play the medium to long game most other coaches can’t. (Gilmore wasn’t in the plans) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: There is your next TB Corner back. 🤦♂️ Signing Gilmore will help our pass rush, just look at the first game loss and who got abused. This is the in season upgrade that could put the Bills over the hump. Levi Wallace is not a starting corner in this league. Adding Gilmore would give the Bills the best starting secondaries in NFL. Those extra secs of tight coverage allows your front 4 to get to the QB. Look at what Ben did to Wallace in game 1 and you cannot use our past 3 games as sample of improvement because we played trash QB'S. Gilmore is also big & physical enough to cover Kelce. You want to go to the Super Bowl then you need great corners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: The guy has often run from competition, failed in big moments, caused issues at key times and generally I see him as a full time mercenary and part time player. Reminds me of J Bird. He is no D Sanders, or even T White. Umm just No. he showed up big in all the playoff runs since year 1 making key plays ensure victory.. but that’s the past and he is 31 and well past his prime.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Ravens. No doubt in my mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: The guy has often run from competition, failed in big moments, caused issues at key times and generally I see him as a full time mercenary and part time player. Reminds me of J Bird. He is no D Sanders, or even T White. The Pick in the SuperBowl of Goff was a pretty big success in a big moment 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Can you imagine the risk though for any team signing him? He wants a boatload of money And he is 33 and been really banged up the last 2 years. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Can you imagine the risk though for any team signing him? He wants a boatload of money And he is 33 and been really banged up the last 2 years. Good luck with that. He is 31. And what he wants (irrelevant) vs what the market says (relevant) is the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Can you imagine the risk though for any team signing him? He wants a boatload of money And he is 33 and been really banged up the last 2 years. Good luck with that. He just turned 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Signing Gilmore will help our pass rush, just look at the first game loss and who got abused. This is the in season upgrade that could put the Bills over the hump. Levi Wallace is not a starting corner in this league. Adding Gilmore would give the Bills the best starting secondaries in NFL. Those extra secs of tight coverage allows your front 4 to get to the QB. Look at what Ben did to Wallace in game 1 and you cannot use our past 3 games as sample of improvement because we played trash QB'S. Gilmore is also big & physical enough to cover Kelce. You want to go to the Super Bowl then you need great corners its funny that you think Wallace played poorly in game 1. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that we could upgrade cb2, but in that game his "interference" was questionable at best (no, you don't need to turn your head around as a corner. That rule was removed in like the 90's) and he had literally perfect coverage and even got a piece of the ball on the D Johnson TD play. He 100% did not play poorly in that game. The Steelers had their 1 healthy game and we basically shut down their running and passing game. Bottom line is with a franchise QB on the books now, we can't have all the pretty toys we want at every position. The Wallaces of the world sometimes have to be enough in those spots (like cb2) for the big picture to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, uninja said: There's not a snowball's chance in hell he signs a 4 year deal at age 31 and coming off some soft tissue lower body injuries. Any GM that does that should be fired on the spot. Boundary corners who primarily play man don't have a shelf life past their early 30s as the speed to keep up with outside wideouts drops off. This is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, 34-78-83 said: its funny that you think Wallace played poorly in game 1. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that we could upgrade cb2, but in that game his "interference" was questionable at best (no, you don't need to turn your head around as a corner. That rule was removed in like the 90's) and he had literally perfect coverage and even got a piece of the ball on the D Johnson TD play. He 100% did not play poorly in that game. The Steelers had their 1 healthy game and we basically shut down their running and passing game. Bottom line is with a franchise QB on the books now, we can't have all the pretty toys we want at every position. The Wallaces of the world sometimes have to be enough in those spots (like cb2) for the big picture to work. 31 yr cb coming off of injury and being released is hardly a pretty toy. He's not signing here, but he would surely make our d better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Once Beane finally gets Ertz in here and sneaks Jaylon Smith onto this roster we can focus on Gilmore. Reported. * 😁 Edited October 6, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: This is exactly what the Chiefs needed and you know damn well that is where he is going, crap. Who cares so we get him in a Chiefs uniform looking around for someone to blame for blown coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dopey said: 31 yr cb coming off of injury and being released is hardly a pretty toy. He's not signing here, but he would surely make our d better. Sure for the right price (not the highest bidder price being touted) and if he can play in a mostly zone off coverage scheme. I think he'll make a much better Raven. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Well, he will be in TB by the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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