9/26/21 Bills vs. WTF Postgame Thread

[wjag]

5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Only 3 teams in the league have given up less points than the Bills and they are tied for the league lead with the largest point differential.

 

Chiefs in last place in their division!  Wow, who'd have expected that!

 

Should be fun watching Nicky Wright tomorrow...  They were teasing him on Friday that the Chiefs could be in last place looking up at the 3-0 teams.  He was having none of it, of course.  

 

This was almost a perfect weekend.  TB12 lost, AFC-E outside of B'flo lost, Pitt lost, KC lost.  Could have used a Titans and Ravens loss too, but I guess some teams need to win.  Poor Indy.  Their season is swirling the bowl.

Edited September 27, 2021 by wjag

[The Wiz]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I still want to know who the Zack from Saved By The Bell lookalike was on the sideline in street clothes next to Allen they kept showing

Mark Paul Gosselaar

[Process]

🤣🤣

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

🤣🤣

 

I dunno if this breakdown or the 12 yr old breaking down the jets was better

[SDS]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I dunno if this breakdown or the 12 yr old breaking down the jets was better

that was probably a little too Jim Rome for me.

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

This was almost a perfect weekend.  TB12 lost, AFC-E outside of B'flo lost, Pitt lost, KC lost.  Could have used a Titans and Ravens loss too, but I guess some teams need to win.  Poor Indy.  Their season is swirling the bowl.

 

Colts have a chance to stop the bleeding playing the Dolphins next week but if they don't they got to go to Baltimore for Monday Night.

Not a stretch to see them at 0-5.  Wentz is just a disappointment.

[BillsFan619]

5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Are those experts crapping on the Bills after week 1 going to talk about the Chiefs being 1-2 after week 3?   The CHIEFS are the biggest group of jerks and I love it.

And is anyone going to say that Mahomes sucks for having two badly thrown interceptions in back to back games that was a factor in the final score?

 

Some of our own would be all over JA for doing that. I don’t mean that in the sense of critique, critique is fine. I mean that in the sense of, “he must not be who we thought he was”.

 

Go Bills, this is ours for the taking!

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Didn't Farwell just become special teams coordinator? Who did he take over for again?

This is his third year I believe

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

By the way, I thought Heinecki looked good today. Great mobility And his fade to Thomas was text book. I think he will be the long term starter there. He just needs some more weapons and a good defense.

 

He did throw in some head-scratchers out there... tosses into triple coverage in the middle of the field....he also seems blind to robber concepts when locked onto his primary receiver.

 

The glass is not empty though... some good touch on some throws and pretty good mobility and pocket awareness.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[longtimebillsfan]

56 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I look at it this way, Gabe gets to rest the ankle, while the other three have the potential to get nicked up over a couple of weeks.  When one does get a bit nicked up, Gabe comes in as the third and one gets less snaps, and gets healthy again.  With Knox seemingly early to tell, but maybe finally made progress in his ball handling skills (TD catch was awesome and not an easy catch), and one of the two RB’s, we have da da da da, depth.

 

If Gabe’s 100%, I hope he gets some snaps with the Texans, but if not 100%, not 90%, let him sit for most of next week as we surely need him going gang busters at the Chiefs.  I like this team on 11 personnel.  They have the most flexibility amd balance in this formation.  We don’t have a second TE garnering a 12 personnel formation, but at times, not often, 21 with Gilliam and pick you’re RB could be effective.  It would be specific to the opponent.  I think we need to stay away from 10 and empty sets.

I was thinking the same thing.  Gabe will get his chances this year for sure.  We have an abundance of riches right now, but that can change so quickly. 

[BillsFan619]

4 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Didnt colin have us at #10 in his power rankings behind Denver?

He had us at number nine. That said, he did mention that he felt like the bills were still going to go back to the AFC championship game even with a slow start.

 

he definitely sides with the bills and JA.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Since you asked...Allen played great today. He was in complete command and control. His vision, foot work, accuracy, mechanics, pocket awareness, and leadership was A+. It was a joy to watch. 

 

Does that suck too? 

No, it doesn’t suck but since I doubt all those things were turned around in 4 days practice, it might be nice to acknowledge that your prior take might have been a bit extreme

[Rc2catch]

21 minutes ago, Process said:

🤣🤣

 

For me, this is how I want to see my football highlights in 2021. That was excellent 

[BillsFan619]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Oh no! MVP of the Day? The JA haters must be going nuts!

[Rochesterfan]

37 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

but that’s the only play there. You let the ball hit the ground and it is a live ball. I am pretty sure it is ST 101 That on short high kicks, the guy closest to it calls a fair catch, even if it means the up guy. 
 

To me, that was a mental mistake/coaching failure more than a wind issue. 

That is all on the kick returner and the wind.  McKenzie misread the kick from the beginning and was late moving up as the kick died in the wind.

 

He should not fair catch it.  The ball came down at the 14 yard line.  It was just high and the wind screwed with the ball.

 

I agree the ball should not hit the ground, but that is not on he coach - that is on the player.  It is a lack of experience with McKenzie on kick returns in general and especially in the windy Buffalo stadium.  Then the unfortunate bounce straight back toward Washington- again that was just football.  
 

The same thing with the blocked kick - that was on the players not blocking the guy. The special teams players said they were coached for that move and ready for it, but in the moment - no one picked up the inside guy with a free run.

 

 

 

[Motor26]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

And they combined for 1 sack and 0 TFL. If you count Star running Heinecke out of bounds as a sack.

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Emmanuel Sanders slowly endearing himself to Bills fans.  Some great catches today.

 

He is a much better player than John Brown and as of right now better than Davis too. Diggs is getting all the attention so having a consistent #2 that does a little bit of everything is critical.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

Made a lot of bad decisions and so-so arm strength. Plucky guy with a lot of compete. You see upside bjt I don't think he's a franchise guy.

Poor man’s Fitz. The difference between him and Allen throwing outside the numbers into the wind was as stark as can be. Arm is barely adequate. Can succeed with rhythm and anticipation, Will sling it and gamble and win some but lose just a little too often at this level.

[ganesh]

50 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

  Poor Indy.  Their season is swirling the bowl.

And to make it bad, their all pro Quinton Nelson may be out for several weeks.

[newcam2012]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

No, it doesn’t suck but since I doubt all those things were turned around in 4 days practice, it might be nice to acknowledge that your prior take might have been a bit extreme

How were they extreme? Never did I say Allen couldn't get back to playing well or like last year. I acknowledged it was only a 2-4 game stretch of Allen playing poorly. I stated other issues like the Oline and lack of run game contributed to Allen being mediocre at best. That Allen has a relative small sample size of being great and he may regress or is regressing. Sorry, I think many hear don't like hearing this and label it as extreme. Extreme to me us saying Allen sucks and the Bills won't win anything with him at the QB. Extreme is not acknowledging poor QB play, mechanics, accuracy, etc. Extreme is not acknowledging when a QB is playing well. 

[ganesh]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He is a much better player than John Brown and as of right now better than Davis too. Diggs is getting all the attention so having a consistent #2 that does a little bit of everything is critical.

Agreed. I was skeptical about Sanders after the 1st game.  But he is building a good rapport with Josh Allen and it is showing up in the last two games

[appoo]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

How often though do you see that happen, not very much.  They may not have practiced that in over a month due to the limited amount of practice time today.  Instead they spend their time working on things that happen at a more frequent rate.  Not an excuse, just reality.  It wasn't just a short kick either, was more a tweener, between two levels of players and both kind of likely assumed the other would get it and likely also with players not normally handling the ball as much.

 

I do wonder if that kick was actually planned by Washington, or just the result of the kick getting held up in the wind and ending up a high short one?

I’m fairly sure it was due to a wind gust. I mean you don’t voluntarily risk giving Allen good field position when there’s lightning shooting out of his a$$. I’m mostly inclined to give credit to the kicker for being super aware - he’s a vet and shows it.

 

There’s a few odds and ends going on with ST though

[balln]

one thing. im shocked. WSH didnt test Levi deep. prob a function of wind, heine arm, and what bills D were doing

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

7 minutes ago, balln said:

one thing. im shocked. WSH didnt test Levi deep. prob a function of wind, heine arm, and what bills D were doing

was thinking the same thing. No real deep attempts by WFT. Bills only had a couple, so maybe it was the wind. 

[Olliemets]

25 minutes ago, appoo said:

I’m fairly sure it was due to a wind gust. I mean you don’t voluntarily risk giving Allen good field position when there’s lightning shooting out of his a$$. I’m mostly inclined to give credit to the kicker for being super aware - he’s a vet and shows it.

 

There’s a few odds and ends going on with ST though

I was sitting in 338 on West side near that end zone and saw it perfectly from my level. I really thought at first it was a set play..it landed so perfectly. Maybe top spin or something.

But when Bass kicked off second half it died again and went out of bounds. Like the wind just grabbed it and pushed it down. That's when I realized it must have been the wind.

 

It's actually a great play though. If a team worked on topping the ball into an open area down the field 30 years to surprise teams its more likely to succeed than an onside kick. Theres a guy deep then maybe 2 guys there and lots of open space. It looked so easy.

[Wyobills89]

Saw the Diggs and young jersey swap. Did anyone notice if Allen and chase roullier have an exchange at all after the game? Was his center at UW 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, BillsFan619 said:

Oh no! MVP of the Day? The JA haters must be going nuts!

Haven't seen any around recently have you?

 

Sucking their thumbs with Nick Wright in their race car beds.

 

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Haven't seen any around recently have you?

 

Sucking their thumbs with Nick Wright in their race car beds.

 

He played great today. It was a thing of beauty. It's been too long since he's played that good. Looks like Allen and the offense have their mojo back. Let's hope they get on a roll. I expect the same vs the lowly Texans. The real test will be at KC and at Tenn. Two places that are very difficult to win at. Right now, let's just enjoy this win and Allen's great play. 

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

He played great today. It was a thing of beauty. It's been too long since he's played that good. Looks like Allen and the offense have their mojo back. Let's hope they get on a roll. I expect the same vs the lowly Texans. The real test will be at KC and at Tenn. Two places that are very difficult to win at. Right now, let's just enjoy this win and Allen's great play. 

I'm always enjoying a win.  There are some people who can't is the problem.

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I'm always enjoying a win.  There are some people who can't is the problem.

I haven't seen that here. I've seen some including myself as being critical of Bills players and their mediocre or poor performances. Somehow, that gets equated into being a troll, a hater and or annoying. Do really understand that but then again who cares. Happy about the W!

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

I haven't seen that here. I've seen some including myself as being critical of Bills players and their mediocre or poor performances. Somehow, that gets equated into being a troll, a hater and or annoying. Do really understand that but then again who cares. Happy about the W!

Being critical in context is one thing, jumping off the bridge because of one play is another.   There are plenty of the latter. 

 

Check the Miami post game thread for examples. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Agreed. I was skeptical about Sanders after the 1st game.  But he is building a good rapport with Josh Allen and it is showing up in the last two games

Josh wasn't completely in sync with Diggs starting out last year either wasn't super noticeable just some harder catches he had to make and not as smooth.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

"Shook?" Don't think I ever was that. He played like a super star today. Imho, the negative criticism was deserved. May I remind you that D. Jones on the road shredded the Wash defense too. Not trying to take anything away from Allen. He deserves the positives for today's performance. I'm not about to apologize for having concerns about how Allen was playing. After 2 games, there was plenty of red flags. 

 You call Jones throwing for 249 yards shredding Washington defense?😂 Good lord. This week you would've been calling calling for Josh's head had he thrown for that today. Don't worry about the perception of taking anything away from Josh, you can't, as he had more than that by halftime. 

 Struggling for the first 2 games of the year after an MVP caliber season doesn't warrant the discussion of red flags. Especially in a year when the starters only played 1 half of football together in the preseason. Clearly there was some rust to knock off from the OC, QB and most importantly the OL. IMO you were way too overboard with your "hot takes" and fail to see it/admit it.

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

How do you explain the Jets?

Ha! I touched on this in the Pregame thread. EVERY team changes from year to year -Except the Jets.

3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

It's definitely a little frustrating especially considering the bills put a lot of resources in special teams, and have had 2 massive plays against them in 3 games.

 

Lets hope they clean it up 

The blocked punt was all on Haak. Tricky wind today is a ‘teaching moment’

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Allen played great! I will continue to give my my opinions and assessments as I see them. After all, isn't that one of the purposes of being here? Obviously, there are going to be differing opinions. 

It’s way past your bedtime. You have school tomorrow!

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

"Shook?" Don't think I ever was that. He played like a super star today. Imho, the negative criticism was deserved. May I remind you that D. Jones on the road shredded the Wash defense too. Not trying to take anything away from Allen. He deserves the positives for today's performance. I'm not about to apologize for having concerns about how Allen was playing. After 2 games, there was plenty of red flags. 

No, you may not. 🤦‍♂️

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

How were they extreme? Never did I say Allen couldn't get back to playing well or like last year. I acknowledged it was only a 2-4 game stretch of Allen playing poorly. I stated other issues like the Oline and lack of run game contributed to Allen being mediocre at best. That Allen has a relative small sample size of being great and he may regress or is regressing. Sorry, I think many hear don't like hearing this and label it as extreme. Extreme to me us saying Allen sucks and the Bills won't win anything with him at the QB. Extreme is not acknowledging poor QB play, mechanics, accuracy, etc. Extreme is not acknowledging when a QB is playing well. 

Your takes are sheer lunacy. You’ve exposed yourself as such. Give it a goddam rest! 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

57 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

He played great today. It was a thing of beauty. It's been too long since he's played that good. Looks like Allen and the offense have their mojo back. Let's hope they get on a roll. I expect the same vs the lowly Texans. The real test will be at KC and at Tenn. Two places that are very difficult to win at. Right now, let's just enjoy this win and Allen's great play. 

Since week 17 of last year...2 regular season games?😂

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Allen played great! I will continue to give my my opinions and assessments as I see them. After all, isn't that one of the purposes of being here? Obviously, there are going to be differing opinions. 

You should go back and read your posts, although you might not want to, embarrassing stuff…, 

 

Go Bills!!!

[newcam2012]

23 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

You should go back and read your posts, although you might not want to, embarrassing stuff…, 

 

Go Bills!!!

Nothing embarrassing at all. I stand behind everything I said. I own my opinions. 

39 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Since week 17 of last year...2 regular season games?😂

I'd say 4 games. Last 2 playoff games and first 2 of this year. Last quality start before today was the Indy game. 

[Don Otreply]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Nothing embarrassing at all. I stand behind everything I said. I own my opinions. 

Owning it doesn’t change what it is.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Don Otreply

[newcam2012]

46 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Ha! I touched on this in the Pregame thread. EVERY team changes from year to year -Except the Jets.

The blocked punt was all on Haak. Tricky wind today is a ‘teaching moment’

It’s way past your bedtime. You have school tomorrow!

No, you may not. 🤦‍♂️

Your takes are sheer lunacy. You’ve exposed yourself as such. Give it a goddam rest! 

Here cone the personal attacks. Expected them but its all good. I'm not here to fight nor make friends.