Keith Butler threatens Josh Allen's running, we will make him pay

[nedboy7]

Seems like someone is scared. 

[Protocal69]

He better keep that energy for the Ravens. Josh can either run for 100 or pass for 400. Make your choice Butler.

[HOUSE]

Any coach that says that type of garbage to the media deserves the head coaching job in Detroit

[Inigo Montoya]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

Agree. Imagine the bench clearing baseball fight that would erupt if they cheapshotted Josh lol.

 

Hell, the stands might empty too.   😳

[starrymessenger]

5 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Hell, the stands might empty too.   😳

Mongo would do some badass thing for sure. 

[LeGOATski]

13 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Any coach that says that type of garbage to the media deserves the head coaching job in Detroit

I'm pretty sure they have to name a specific body part.

 

It's that attention to detail that gets you the Detroit job.

[PonyBoy]

2 hours ago, WhoTom said:

So if anything happens to Josh, we'll know the Butler did it.

 

Well played!!!

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said:

As long as there's no "bounty" .....

 

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Sounds like a guy that may be worried about his job.  Defense is going to have to carry their team this year and he may realize that they are probably not up to that challenge.  Threats and intimidation rarely works with professional athletes.  It is usually a sign of uncertainty or desperation.

    

   Indeed.  I'm so glad our coaches are all about doing their jobs by preparing their players for the current opponents and not trying to intimidate the opposing players.  Frankly that's pretty telling that he doesn't fully trust his players can get the job done so he's trying to intimidate Josh.   We'll see on Sunday how well that strategy works.  

 

     I'm not overly concerned because I truly expect the league will not sit back and let liberties be taken against Josh.  And you can certainly bet the entire team will have Josh's back.  And that just wouldn't be pretty for the Steelers.  

 

 

 

[TheBrownBear]

Josh: *shrugs*...*throws for 500 yards and 5 TDs*

[Johnnycage46]

This kind of reminds me of the 49ers game when even the announcers were saying things like "we haven't seen Josh Allen run yet".  I guess even announcers don't always do their homework.  Josh is clearly a throw first QB (stats don't lie), and while he will definitely take off if he needs to, he clearly has progressed in the "trust your receivers" department enough that he still defaults to getting those guys the ball before bailing.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

Fool still thinks Josh is a run-first quarterback. Shame on him!

Exactly…Steelers fans be like uh-oh, somebody’s been missing film study time on our coaching staff! But hey, can’t be mad if he’s eating a half-off dinner special by 4:30 and lights out by 7, only so many hours in the day! 

[HOUSE]

This will keep me up the next 2 nights and I will probably sleep through the game

[AuntieEm]

31 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Exactly…Steelers fans be like uh-oh, somebody’s been missing film study time on our coaching staff! But hey, can’t be mad if he’s eating a half-off dinner special by 4:30 and lights out by 7, only so many hours in the day! 

 

  I also suspect something like this occurred.

 

Butler:  ok in this situation I want you a safety blitz on Josh Allen.

 

Minkah Fitzpatrick: me and who else?  I can't take Allen 1 on 1.

 

Butler:   I'll take care of his possibly running away from you, no worries.

 

MF:   You aren't listening.  I'm not gonna risk getting hurt by him if I try to go helter shelter on him. I wanna stay healthy to earn what I'm worth on my 2nd contract like TJ did.

 

 

   Josh Allen making defensive players choose business decisions since 2021?   I'm going with 2021 as the start since now he's the 258 million dollar  man. 

 

.  And as he's a fellow employee I think there is more respect amongst the upper talent in the league. Neither minkah or Josh want to do damage to their NFL affiliation which is what provides them their excellent livelihoods.

 

  Why I expect this type of rhetoric from coaches especially only a coordinator could even backfire and Butler finds he's deciding what college is best  for his next gig not for his children's education.

 

 

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[Don Otreply]

What’s that very old saying…. Hmmm…. Ah yes. What goes around, comes around…,  careful what you wish for there, Keith Butler.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

I've never ever seen Ben run like Josh either. If he could he'd maybe run more often.

what he said was — Ben is old and slow. 
 

obviously when a QB is a running “he shall be treated as a runner” until he slides 

 

Captain Obvious says hello 

[Bruffalo]

5 hours ago, DJB said:

Isn't Keith Butler 65 years old? 

 

I dont think Josh is afraid of an old man. 

 

Perhaps we can send Butler this? 

 

 

Josh would be an awesome TE if he wasn't such an amazing QB.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

Tim Benz | Friday, Sept. 10, 2021 5:51 a.m.

 

 

Steelers Defensive coordinator Keith Butler on Josh Allen: 'There's a price to pay' for QBs who 'want to be treated like a running back'

 

I asked Butler whether his defenders have braced themselves for Allen to finish his rushing attempts like a running back.

 

“I hope he does try to finish his runs like a running back. We’ll treat him like a running back. If he wants to be treated like a running back, we’ll do that, too,” Butler said.

 

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-keith-butler-on-josh-allen-theres-a-price-to-pay-for-qbs-who-want-to-be-treated-like-a-running-back/

 

I mean, it's not that controversial, really. 

 

I'm sure all of the Bills coaches are beating the "Best Ability is Availability" drum with Josh and that some of the older, wiser players have taken up the Lee Smith mantle of telling Josh to "Get down!  Get down!", for just that reason.

 

It's kind of a stupid thing for a defensive coach to say to the media, though.

 

And of course, if the defensive players are too fired up by their coaches words and get penalized for a late hit on a QB who has "given himself up", it will work against him.

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, DJB said:

Isn't Keith Butler 65 years old? 

 

I dont think Josh is afraid of an old man. 

 

Perhaps we can send Butler this? 

 

 

 

I think this is more appropriate:

 

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Mongo would do some badass thing for sure. 

Santa Maria.  Hit Josh Bad.  Mongo Good.

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bVpypcLbbIE&feature=share

I thought Tasker made a good point today in that he basically was saying he doesn’t want Josh to run so makes a dumb threat as they know how dangerous Josh is when he runs.

[Eastport bills]

Anyone tries to injure Josh must be made an example of. All bets are off especially with a piece of excrement who threatens a great player and a great person like Josh. 

[BigAl2526]

Steve Tasker had an interesting take on Butler's comments.  Essentially, he thought Butler is terrified of the prospect of Josh Allen running when a play breaks down because he is a wild card you can't account for.  His comments represent an effort to try and use pre game comments to lessen the risk of Josh Allen making big plays with his legs.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Steve Tasker had an interesting take on Butler's comments.  Essentially, he thought Butler is terrified of the prospect of Josh Allen running when a play breaks down because he is a wild card you can't account for.  His comments represent an effort to try and use pre game comments to lessen the risk of Josh Allen making big plays with his legs.  

 

Except Allen can still make big plays with his feet then get down or get out of bounds.  The plays where Allen goes "Sicko Mode" and starts stiffarming people and running them over are usually bad outcomes for the Bills - face mask penalty for Allen, fumble in which we hope he's ruled down before the ball came out, etc etc.

 

Where Allen's legs are most to be feared right now is behind the LOS, extending the play

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Anyone tries to injure Josh must be made an example of. All bets are off especially with a piece of excrement who threatens a great player and a great person like Josh. 

 

Yeah, yeah.  But if the QB makes himself a runner and lowers his shoulder to hit people and make extra yards, trying to gang tackle him is part of the game.

[Beerball]

Much ado about nothing here, but any Bills fan who wouldn't hope to see Allen run/scramble less than he has in years past is either not so smart or cares only about the laundry and doesn't give a hoot about who is inside.

[machine gun kelly]

For the line after someone cheap shots Allen…

 

 

[Eastport bills]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, yeah.  But if the QB makes himself a runner and lowers his shoulder to hit people and make extra yards, trying to gang tackle him is part of the game.

Listen Hapless, Josh will slide and get down to avoid punishment. I'm talking about low hits, late hits and head shots. Try and hurt our guy and take him out, the O-line will have to do what's necessary. The Steelers should be ready to deal with physicality. 

[WideNine]

23 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Steve Tasker had an interesting take on Butler's comments.  Essentially, he thought Butler is terrified of the prospect of Josh Allen running when a play breaks down because he is a wild card you can't account for.  His comments represent an effort to try and use pre game comments to lessen the risk of Josh Allen making big plays with his legs.  

 

It is an element that DC's have to account for and probably would hope to limit. Either way, teams that played us well had their DE's play very disciplined with their rushes prioritizing hemming Allen in the pocket and usually had a LB or S spy and shadow him.

 

Allen has been smarter about taking what he can and getting out of bounds. If a DC drops a bunch of guys into coverage and there is nothing but green between Allen and the sticks more often than not he will take the easy conversion. Allen's threat to run also pulls guys from coverage having to respect that he may take off when he rolls out.

 

Makes for a good sound bite, but meh. I don't think it changes anything about the way Allen will approach or play the game.

 

 

[SirAndrew]

6 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

Fool still thinks Josh is a run-first quarterback. Shame on him!

Right, Josh is already at the stage of his career where he’ll run when he needs to, but it’s no longer a vital necessary element of his game. He isn’t Cam Newton in his prime.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Listen Hapless, Josh will slide and get down to avoid punishment. I'm talking about low hits, late hits and head shots. Try and hurt our guy and take him out, the O-line will have to do what's necessary. The Steelers should be ready to deal with physicality. 

 

OK, but that's not what Keith Butler was suggesting.  He said that if he finishes plays like a running back, we will treat him like a running back.

30 minutes ago, WideNine said:

It is an element that DC's have to account for and probably would hope to limit. Either way, teams that played us well had their DE's play very disciplined with their rushes prioritizing hemming Allen in the pocket and usually had a LB or S spy and shadow him.

 

Disciplined, sure.

 

Spy?  Can you give me some examples?

 

Here's the thing, if you leave a spy on the QB, you're leaving another playmaker uncovered

 

I haven't seen teams do this to us since early last season.

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, but that's not what Keith Butler was suggesting.  He said that if he finishes plays like a running back, we will treat him like a running back.

 

Disciplined, sure.

 

Spy?  Can you give me some examples?

 

Here's the thing, if you leave a spy on the QB, you're leaving another playmaker uncovered

 

I haven't seen teams do this to us since early last season.

 

 

 

 

I think it's the make him pay bit that makes people leery.

[eball]

Whatever you make of Butler’s comments, they were dumb.  Josh is now a face of the NFL and the league will be out to protect him.  We’re about to enter an era of seeing OUR quarterback get the benefit of the doubt.

[WideNine]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, but that's not what Keith Butler was suggesting.  He said that if he finishes plays like a running back, we will treat him like a running back.

 

Disciplined, sure.

 

Spy?  Can you give me some examples?

 

Here's the thing, if you leave a spy on the QB, you're leaving another playmaker uncovered

 

I haven't seen teams do this to us since early last season.

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing specific comes to mind as it happens often enough.

 

Just have seen on a number of occasions where teams that rush 4 will play their MLB or extra S shallow and mirror/spy Allen then close as soon as he leaves the pocket.

 

Will see if we see some of that from Pittsburgh, as well as the usual corner blitz from the left slot.

 

 

[Eastport bills]

46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, but that's not what Keith Butler was suggesting.  He said that if he finishes plays like a running back, we will treat him like a running back.

 

Disciplined, sure.

 

Spy?  Can you give me some examples?

 

Here's the thing, if you leave a spy on the QB, you're leaving another playmaker uncovered

 

I haven't seen teams do this to us since early last season.

I don't like defensive coaches talking about hurting QBs before the games. It reminds me of the Greg Williams crap. Play the game and defend the QB runs,don't try and discourage our options with smacktalk.

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

I think it's the make him pay bit that makes people leery.

 

Eh, the exact words in context aren't that "head hunter" like.

 

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“I hope he does try to finish his runs like a running back. We’ll treat him like a running back. If he wants to be treated like a running back, we’ll do that, too,” Butler said.

Butler added that Allen’s size and physicality reminds him of a young Ben Roethlisberger.

“And you don’t see Ben run as much as you used to, do you?” Butler asked. “That’s an important position. And if you are going to run the ball, that ball attracts a lot of attention in the National Football League. There is usually a price to pay. So we’ll see what happens in the game.”

 

I actually don't think he's saying much that our coaches wouldn't tell Josh. 

 

I also think Tasker may have a point.

[SF Bills Fan]

I don’t read too much into it. Just a different way of saying a QB is fair game when running out of the pocket which is correct.  

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Well duh, if you don’t treat him like he’s running when he’s running then he gets a touchdown 

[Maynard]

The bottom line is……Josh doesn’t give a damn.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, Maynard said:

The bottom line is……Josh doesn’t give a damn.

 

I don't think Josh gives a damn what the Steelers DC says

 

I do think he gives a damn what his coaches and teammates tell him, and that's, "Get down" "Get out of bounds" "Best ability is availability"

[Maynard]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think Josh gives a damn what the Steelers DC says

 

I do think he gives a damn what his coaches and teammates tell him, and that's, "Get down" "Get out of bounds" "Best ability is availability"

He’s going to play his game regardless. Let the cheap talk go.