JGMcD2 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 After Mac Jones was named the starting QB for the New England Patriots yesterday, someone in the Cam Newton cut thread made a point that they were excited to see what McDermott would scheme up for the rookie Jones. After looking a little bit closer we are actually slated to face rookie QBs 5 times this season. Week 9, Trevor Lawrence Week 10, Zach Wilson Week 13, Mac Jones Week 16, Mac Jones Week 18, Zach Wilson Some comments were made suggesting that McDermott isn't actually good against rookie QBs... not that he doesn't ultimately win the game... but that he doesn't chew up and spit out rookie QBs like other defensive gurus. I wanted to take a look at this, and needed to make a comparison. The first name that came to mind was Bill Belichick. Bill has been at it a lot longer, but many consider him the best and most consistent at frustrating and confusing young QBs, especially rookies. Let's take a look... Bill Belichick Sean McDermott It's a small sample size for McDermott as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills... but he's been pretty darn good thus far. At the end of this year McDermott will have faced 11 rookie QBs to Belichick's 30 (Wilson x2 and Lawrence). I am curious to follow along and see if McDermott can keep up the pace he is on... because thus far he has been GREAT at frustrating and confusing rookie QBs. 8 15 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I’d love to see the defensive ranking comparisons. My guess is Hoodie had higher ranked Defenses ( on average) than McD. Advantage McD💪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Great data. Off the top of your head or with your data base, can you identify who the rookie QBs he faced thus far. Tua would be one. After all, those rookies were play against his year are all early-mid rd 1 QBs taken and all except for the rock star, Trevor Lawrence has played well in pre-seasons. Would be nice if we could play these rookies early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Great data. Off the top of your head or with your data base, can you identify who the rookie QBs he faced thus far. Tua would be one. After all, those rookies were play against his year are all early-mid rd 1 QBs taken and all except for the rock star, Trevor Lawrence has played well in pre-seasons. Would be nice if we could play these rookies early in the season. Belichick McDermott 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Thanks for posting this. I was just thinking this the other day when looking at the Bills 2021 schedule: We face a rather easy slate of QBs, led by those five contests against rookies. McDermott's Bills defenses have historically been good not only against rookie QBs, but against average QBs in general. The elite passers can sometimes (not always) give the Bills defense fits. Some of his worst losses as head coach have come against really good quarterbacks. Against the mediocre ones, though? The Bills -- more often than not -- come out on top. When looking at an upcoming slate of opponents in a given season, always look at the opposing quarterbacks. This year, there are five or so that are very good. The other 12...not so much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) Oddly enough Belichick has faced 6 rookie QBs since 2017 when McDermott arrived. McDermott has also faced 6 rookie QBs since he arrived here in Buffalo. Just for fun... here is how those numbers stack up... Belichick McDermott Edited September 1, 2021 by JGMcD2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 and that one loss was with the 2018 Bills against the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Is this data easily located? Please tell me you didn’t look up every game and the opposing quarterback. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, SDS said: Is this data easily located? Please tell me you didn’t look up every game and the opposing quarterback. There was an article that compiled all of the Belichick data and the McDermott stuff was easy to throw together real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, SDS said: Is this data easily located? Please tell me you didn’t look up every game and the opposing quarterback. Some people are gluttons for punishment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 McDermott's defense really confuses young qb's. The speed of the defensive backs and zones cause inexperienced qbs trouble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Belichick McDermott Who did he lose to? Outside of Herbert , the other 5 aren’t really known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: McDermott's defense really confuses young qb's. The speed of the defensive backs and zones cause inexperienced qbs trouble I want Greg Rousseau and company to introduce himself to Mac Jones. He aint in Alabama anymore. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 @Giuseppe Tognarelli...this is for you big guy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, teef said: @Giuseppe Tognarelli...this is for you big guy. Stop fat shaming me 🥺 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: After Mac Jones was named the starting QB for the New England Patriots yesterday, someone in the Cam Newton cut thread made a point that they were excited to see what McDermott would scheme up for the rookie Jones. After looking a little bit closer we are actually slated to face rookie QBs 5 times this season. Week 9, Trevor Lawrence Week 10, Zach Wilson Week 13, Mac Jones Week 16, Mac Jones Week 18, Zach Wilson Some comments were made suggesting that McDermott isn't actually good against rookie QBs... not that he doesn't ultimately win the game... but that he doesn't chew up and spit out rookie QBs like other defensive gurus. I wanted to take a look at this, and needed to make a comparison. The first name that came to mind was Bill Belichick. Bill has been at it a lot longer, but many consider him the best and most consistent at frustrating and confusing young QBs, especially rookies. Let's take a look... Bill Belichick Sean McDermott It's a small sample size for McDermott as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills... but he's been pretty darn good thus far. At the end of this year McDermott will have faced 11 rookie QBs to Belichick's 30 (Wilson x2 and Lawrence). I am curious to follow along and see if McDermott can keep up the pace he is on... because thus far he has been GREAT at frustrating and confusing rookie QBs. This is an awesome post! Thanks for the detail and data!! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Who did he lose to? Outside of Herbert , the other 5 aren’t really known. McDermott lost to Darnold. Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: McDermott lost to Darnold. Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. I can't remember if Wilson's rookie year was the same year their defense started on that GOAT-like run. I just wonder because I remember NE (and the whole AFCE) getting destroyed by Seattle and SF one year. Since it's on a 4-year rotation, I'll guess that Wilson was a rookie that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: I can't remember if Wilson's rookie year was the same year their defense started on that GOAT-like run. I just wonder because I remember NE (and the whole AFCE) getting destroyed by Seattle and SF one year. Since it's on a 4-year rotation, I'll guess that Wilson was a rookie that year. It was indeed Wilson's rookie year - 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Who did he lose to? Outside of Herbert , the other 5 aren’t really known. So all these are guys arent "really known", LOL Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. Two will end up in the Hall of Fame but I guess they aren't really known. 7 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: I can't remember if Wilson's rookie year was the same year their defense started on that GOAT-like run. I just wonder because I remember NE (and the whole AFCE) getting destroyed by Seattle and SF one year. Since it's on a 4-year rotation, I'll guess that Wilson was a rookie that year. Wilson had a great Q4 versus Belichek and the announcers were incredulous. Pats were up by i think 2 TDS and Wilson stormed back with under 10 minutes to go and won with an incredibly high QB rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: McDermott lost to Darnold. Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. Geno Smith🤪 Forgot about him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 In the division with 2 rookie QB’s and Tua going in to his 2nd year I believe we have to sweep 🧹 the division , # 1 seed is the goal GO BILLS BABY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseBill Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Hey since when do we allow OP's to present reasoned analyses backed up by facts on this site? Where are the mods when you need them? Seriously OP, I really appreciate the work you put into this and the presentation! A lot of folks had the same negative reaction to yesterday's post about McDermott not being a good coach against rookie QB's, but you're the only one who went out and did the work to disprove the lie. Kudos to you! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, TH3 said: Geno Smith🤪 Forgot about him! How can you forget about him ?? You don’t remember the arguments with the Jets fans who’s got a better QB ? BTW we drafted EJ in the 1st found that same year 🤦🏼♂️ !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Stop fat shaming me 🥺 i would never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, teef said: i would never! You would never stop fat shaming him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 What's the all time stat for any coach? I'd imagine this is not unusual for good teams/coaches.. This is one of those lame media stats that gets overplayed because broadcast booths have nothing noteworthy to talk about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Conclusion: playoff teams usually do very well against rookie qbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: You would never stop fat shaming him? that's correct. every morning and evening, i text fatty to put the fork down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. Belichick did go on to make life pretty miserable for Sanchez - and also got to enjoy, first hand, this beautiful moment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: After Mac Jones was named the starting QB for the New England Patriots yesterday, someone in the Cam Newton cut thread made a point that they were excited to see what McDermott would scheme up for the rookie Jones. After looking a little bit closer we are actually slated to face rookie QBs 5 times this season. Week 9, Trevor Lawrence Week 10, Zach Wilson Week 13, Mac Jones Week 16, Mac Jones Week 18, Zach Wilson Some comments were made suggesting that McDermott isn't actually good against rookie QBs... not that he doesn't ultimately win the game... but that he doesn't chew up and spit out rookie QBs like other defensive gurus. I wanted to take a look at this, and needed to make a comparison. The first name that came to mind was Bill Belichick. Bill has been at it a lot longer, but many consider him the best and most consistent at frustrating and confusing young QBs, especially rookies. Let's take a look... Bill Belichick Sean McDermott It's a small sample size for McDermott as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills... but he's been pretty darn good thus far. At the end of this year McDermott will have faced 11 rookie QBs to Belichick's 30 (Wilson x2 and Lawrence). I am curious to follow along and see if McDermott can keep up the pace he is on... because thus far he has been GREAT at frustrating and confusing rookie QBs. Great stuff OP, thanks for doing the research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I drafted Mac Jones in fantasy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 9 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: McDermott lost to Darnold. Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) 9 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: McDermott lost to Darnold. Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) 9 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: McDermott lost to Darnold. Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) 9 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: McDermott lost to Darnold. Belichick lost to a different “unknown” guy, Tua Tagovailoa. He also lost to Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez and Ben Roethlisberger. Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Go get the paper get the paper 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said: Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Thanks, he has also beaten every one of those QBs as well (Big Ben in the same season) Yeah, that’s cool. This wasn’t really a Belichick thread or me trying to say McDermott is better… you seem kind of defensive? The whole point was to disprove a claim that McDermott isn’t good against rookie QBs… so I compared him to the guy that first comes to mind when it comes to terrorizing rookie QBs. You’re correct. He lost to and beat Geno, Sanchez and Roethlisberger in their rookie seasons. Beat Russell Wilson and Colt McCoy a few years down the line. Belichick is yet to beat Tua Tagovailoa. Edited September 2, 2021 by JGMcD2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Makes sense as Herbert's two worst games last year were against Buffalo and New England. So even if these rookie QB's are as good as he is out of the gate I have faith that McDermott/Frazier will find a way to confuse them into a couple of mistakes that determine the outcome of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 13 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Belichick Wow. I can't believe Belicheck and the Patriots actually lost 6 of these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 It feels weird to think McDermott is on his 5th season here & he's not close to being fired! It used to be unimaginable that any coach would make it through 4 full seasons, let alone not be on the hot seat with replacement speculation running rampant. This is such a comforting feeling! And nobody is demanding to fire our OC & blaming them for every offensive shortcoming? SUPER comforting! I love this 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 18 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Belichick did go on to make life pretty miserable for Sanchez - and also got to enjoy, first hand, this beautiful moment... Never gets old. How the heck did this guy get an analyst gig? Not really worried about McD’s record against rooks. He’ll boost that one this year, you know when we go 17-0 before we win the SB. Go Bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 19 hours ago, Jobot said: What's the all time stat for any coach? I'd imagine this is not unusual for good teams/coaches.. This is one of those lame media stats that gets overplayed because broadcast booths have nothing noteworthy to talk about. I think you missed the point… but that’s ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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