AP exclusive: Bills propose new 60k seat stadium by (update - 2025)

[Patience]

Whatever keeps the team in WNY, I am on board with.  

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

How do these PSL’s work?

You are buying the Right to buy a Season Ticket

[LabattBlue]

13 minutes ago, Virgil said:

How do these PSL’s work?

You hand over your wallet, sign over all your property, and then bend over....no lube.

Edited August 31, 2021 by BTB

[red hots]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Agree just look at this thread.

 

No No we dont want another open air in OP.  

 

Why isnt there a roof in DT, Why are we only getting 60K..

 

Soon that 65K seat DT with a roof at the cost of 1.9B looks better.  Add thte 500M-1B in infrastructure upgrades,  and you are getting a voting public on board with a 1B dollar plus public layout for the stadium.

Am I oversimplifying it by saying we are relying on Poloncarz to say that the proposal in the AP article isn't acceptable?

Edited August 31, 2021 by red hots

[hondo in seattle]

48 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

yeah i dont want to pay for a 60k seat stadium. Plus we already sell it out quick. We sold it out when we had 80k. If we're gonna build a new stadium, lets put in more seats imo

  

Yep.  Back in 1991, for example, the Bills led the NFL in attendance by a wide margin with an average home game showing of roughly 78,000.

 

Buffalo has the demand for a bigger stadium.  

 

If you build it, they will come.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

How do these PSL’s work?

A bit more on this.  You pay like say 10K for your right to buy season tickets in a certain area.  You will then have to pay for those tickets.  However that PSL is a one time cost and is owned and can be past to the family as part of the estate as well.  

 

However if the PSL holder doesnt NOT buy the tickets they forfeit their PSL back to the team for resale.

[BigBuff423]

The Twitter tension is building between John Wawrow and Hannah Buehler regarding the stadium story....

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

 Not at all and it has more to do with logistics than the usual cold-weather weather excuse (though that probably does effect things too)

 

The biggest issue is that the Orchard Park/Buffalo area probably couldn’t handle the amount of Super Bowl visitors. Even, if they could the accommodations wouldn’t be very good.   Buffalo is not meant to host an event like the Super Bowl in any way

I don’t think this should be a big consideration. KC, GB, Pitt, NE etc arent hosting SBs, they are playing in them. All I care about.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, red hots said:

Am I oversimplifying it by saying we are relying on Poloncarz to say that the proposal in the AP article isn't acceptable?

I think it is on him and the Fans to really say NO we want this and we want this here, and we will fund it.  This release will likely maybe already be known by Poloncarz and he is in on it as well, to drum the support for the public layout that will be needed downtown even BEFORE the stadium site is formalized.  Because If I am the Pegulas I am not saying DT, before I see the infrastructure work passed and started.

[damj]

1 hour ago, uninja said:

 

Between corporate sponsors, corporations using it as part of gladhanding/business development and well off people getting a permanent box for the year for 60 legal entities should not be that difficult. The WNY area can easily support dozens of private golf clubs with yearly dues into the 10's of thousands of dollars a year and very steep initiation fees. Getting a box for the year is basically the same deal.

True ... Buffalo is not a rich city, but there is still alot of old money here

[hondo in seattle]

"The Buffalo Bills’ proposed new $1.4 billion stadium..."

 

I'm guessing this is just the initial proposal.  Which will be met by counterproposal. 

 

At this point, who knows what the Bills actually want?

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Virgil said:

How do these PSL’s work?

 

One other thing about PSLs are this.  If you own one lets say you paid 5k for it and want to give it up you can sell it for more money

to a fan who wants to buy it from you.  But like @MAJBobbysaid if you can't you give it back to the team.

[Greg S]

11 minutes ago, Virgil said:

How do these PSL’s work?

 

 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

The Twitter tension is building between John Wawrow and Hannah Buehler regarding the stadium story....

I love when reporters do this. I get it and understand why because you should get credit for your work. Instead of having it jacked and credited to “sources”. 
 

just always funny at the reporter spats. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Wasn't Rich Stadium's capacity 80,300 or so back in the day?  We should be able to sell out 70,000 every week in the modern day.

I'm assuming everyone was cramped. They probably want larger, nicer seats in the new stadium.

[blacklabel]

Ugh, just go with the retractable roof instead of this specially designed partial roof that’s gonna cover “most” of the seats. What’s the point then? And the weather advantage is way overblown. Yeah it gets cold, gets windy, but some people act like they’re playing in straight blizzards from mid-November on when in reality they get a heavy snow game once every three or four seasons, so it really isn’t that big a deal. 

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

One other thing about PSLs are this.  If you own one lets say you paid 5k for it and want to give it up you can sell it for more money

to a fan who wants to buy it from you.  But like @MAJBobbysaid if you can't you give it back to the team.

Yep it is your Asset to do what You want with it. Just have to keep buying your season tickets or it reverts. But yes hypothetically you could pay 10K for it. If Bills keep staying good could sell it for 30k. 
 

also In theory it also should limit those the secondary market professionals from buying up a bunch of season tickets to sell on the secondary market as individual seats. because they would have a HUGE layout for all the PSLs 

Edited August 31, 2021 by MAJBobby

[corta765]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think this should be a big consideration. KC, GB, Pitt, NE etc arent hosting SBs, they are playing in them. All I care about.

Exactly. The SB is the biggest corporate spending party out there. It's a week long event of money to the max and the only reason NYC got it was because it was 50th anniversary as a one time shot. Most sponsors and owners want just southern teams to host so it guarantees good weather and parties. Indy and Minny mayyyy get another crack as people really liked it

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Wasn't Rich Stadium's capacity 80,300 or so back in the day?  We should be able to sell out 70,000 every week in the modern day.

I could be wrong but I think the highest capacity was 80,020...or maybe that was when it first opened.  The Aud after they raised the roof...16,433.  🙂

[Huh? What?]

If you do a Google search of"new Buffalo Bills Stadium renderings" and click on google images result you see a proposed drawing of a stadium that looks like what the AP said. The image was posted on redditt but it was removed from the thread at the request of someone. Shows a city setting.

[BuffaloRebound]

60,000 is probably a negotiating tactic to get the government to pay more money if they want it bigger.  But 60,000 probably the right number.  

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, elijah said:

60,000 seems a bit short no? 

 

Weren’t season tickets themselves 60k+ over the past 2 years? 

Article says “about 60,000 seats”,  will probably end up more than that.

[Rochesterfan]

8 minutes ago, Huh? What? said:

If you do a Google search of"new Buffalo Bills Stadium renderings" and click on google images result you see a proposed drawing of a stadium that looks like what the AP said. The image was posted on redditt but it was removed from the thread at the request of someone. Shows a city setting.

 

I think that rendering goes back to stuff printed in 2013-2014 - I don’t think it is new.  
 

Several Reddit users created “renderings” of downtown areas right in between the Hockey and Baseball stadiums.

 

Maybe it is new, but my guess - it is old material created by fan sites not legitimate current plans.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Wasn't Rich Stadium's capacity 80,300 or so back in the day?  We should be able to sell out 70,000 every week in the modern day.

 

 

How many overall tickets they can sell isn't the important number..........it's about maximizing revenue.

 

Less inventory allows them to charge more for those 60K seats.

 

They have likely determined that the amount over that is going to have to be cost conscious buyers who will dump their tickets on the market when the weather or team isn't good......devaluing the product in the eyes of those attending...........and of course the table smashing riff-raff that they actually want to get rid of.

 

The objective isn't to squeeze 10K more in at $100 revenue each per game from Joe Sixpack...........it's to get fat cats in luxury seating like @teef to triple the amount they spend.

 

[chris heff]

28 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'm assuming everyone was cramped. They probably want larger, nicer seats in the new stadium.

Wasn’t most of original seating in Rich Stadium benches?

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Ouch Buehler getting called out LMAO

 

 

 

I would presume that labelling something as "Breaking" indicates that you are the one who broke the story and doing so when you didn't break the story is considered quite unprofessional. She's getting dragged in the comments for not sourcing Wawrow and she just keeps stating that she got the information from her own sources.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, red hots said:

Metlife Stadium - 82k seats, 230 suites (1.6bn value 2010, 1.9bn value 2020)

New Bills stadium - 60k seats, 60 suites (1.4bn value 2021)

 

Metlife is also quite a bit closer to Manhattan than the proposed stadium is to DT Buffalo. 

 

 

 

10 miles vs 11 miles.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Why would they have to play anywhere else?  If there was a commitment in writing for the new facility, a long term lease would probably be signed, in conjunction with the agreement for the new stadium.

As I mentioned above. With the safety issues particularly with the upper deck?  4 more years? Wont put anymore money into a stadium that has safety concerns when gonna be torn down. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

As I mentioned above. With the safety issues particularly with the upper deck?  4 more years? Wont put anymore money into a stadium that has safety concerns when gonna be torn down. 

 

The biggest safety concern with the upper deck is knuckleheads falling over the railings onto people below.

[MAJBobby]

 

4 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Short of seeing a Structural Report, we do not know the actual condition of the stadium. It's safe to say, that it is not going to fall down, tomorrow. I sit in that stadium for most every game, (And I don't feel any sense of danger) while you are making blind judgements about it, in Florida.

I come to every game and have had seasons for over 20 years?  Now what?  

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Corporate 

Which corporations? I would be hard pressed to name more than 30.

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Do you feel like you are in danger?

Now what?

I don’t sit up there. But after seeing the stadium report glad I don’t. 

[scuba guy]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

$1.4 billion for a 60k seat open air stadium? That sounds like too much money.

I think it is 1.1 for stadium .3 for the people they hired as consultants.  

[MJS]

2 hours ago, red hots said:

Metlife Stadium - 82k seats, 230 suites (1.6bn value 2010, 1.9bn value 2020)

New Bills stadium - 60k seats, 60 suites (1.4bn value 2021)

 

Metlife is also quite a bit closer to Manhattan than the proposed stadium is to DT Buffalo. 

 

 

Built over a decade ago.

[scuba guy]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep it is your Asset to do what You want with it. Just have to keep buying your season tickets or it reverts. But yes hypothetically you could pay 10K for it. If Bills keep staying good could sell it for 30k. 
 

also In theory it also should limit those the secondary market professionals from buying up a bunch of season tickets to sell on the secondary market as individual seats. because they would have a HUGE layout for all the PSLs 

Exacpt in Vegas where most of the seats were bought by investors 

[longtimebillsfan]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Old thread is officially outdated with the new ETA

You can kiss tailgating goodbye. A downtown location will help downtown businesses, but parking will be limited , expensive, and it will be a nightmare when leaving an event.  Not a big fan of a downtown location.  An Orchard Park location fits Bills fans.

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, elijah said:

60,000 seems a bit short no? 

 

Weren’t season tickets themselves 60k+ over the past 2 years? 

Nope. There are too many tickets ( seats) available in the current stadium to have any kind of pricing power. The goal is to  have a scarcity of tickets as the norm. 

[BBills_88]

Keep it at 70K

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

Wasn’t most of original seating in Rich Stadium benches?

Yes. It’s been a spartan stadium from its beginning. 

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Welcome to Covid where building material prices are higher than they've been in years toss in new minimum wage in NY State etc. etc. 

They ( Erie County)  should have done it years ago when they had the chance. They opted for a window dressing type “ renovation” and the market has changed dramatically in a short time. Sometimes the roll of the dice comes up snake eyes.

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

It never was in the window

Yep. Not enough hotel space coupled with awful weather during the SB time of year among other things. Wasn’t ever going to happen.