Preseason TNF: Patriots at Eagles 7:30 NFLN

[Klaus]

9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

if the Bills lost Allen they are a completely different team…. Probably around .500. If they lost Diggs it’s a big blow but I still think they are a playoff team because Allen would find a way to carry the team and offense.

 

 

Either injury would hamper the offence, but I think Mitch could keep the team afloat. Consider that he was the 19th or 20th most productive QB on a sub par Bears team last year, if he was out on the field with our WR core I think he could put up some decent numbers. It wouldn't be the same as Josh, but our QB 2 is certainly better than quite of a few week 1 starters in 2021. 

[JMF2006]

The one thing I found out is that the Eagles are a terrible team.

 

How can you objectively  grade or rate your talent against a 3 or 4 win team.

 

I don't think the Patriots are 35-0 good against a real team.

[Ghost_002!]

6 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

The one thing I found out is that the Eagles are a terrible team.

 

How can you objectively  grade or rate your talent against a 3 or 4 win team.

 

[B]I don't think the Patriots are 35-0 good against a real team.[/b]

 

You do realize any team can win by that much in the NFL. Not every score has to come from the offense...

 

And again it's preseason, nothing anyone is seeing from any team is going to tell you much.

[wjag]

All I know is I would not want to be on the 0-35 side as a coach in ANY game, preseason or not. What that game told the Eagles was that even the Patriots 3rd stringers were better than the Eagles 3rd stringers.  Has to be a sour mood in Philly today. 

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, wjag said:

All I know is I would not want to be on the 0-35 side as a coach in ANY game, preseason or not. What that game told the Eagles was that even the Patriots 3rd stringers were better than the Eagles 3rd stringers.  Has to be a sour mood in Philly today. 

Mostly true.  The Pats played a lot of their first and second stringers.

[DrDawkinstein]

N'Keal Harry taking out 2 Linemen.

 

Offensive linemen tho...

 

https://streamable.com/zi2tna

 

LOL

[JMF2006]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

N'Keal Harry taking out 2 Linemen.

 

Offensive linemen tho...

 

https://streamable.com/zi2tna

 

LOL

 

LMAO he blocks his own LT 🤣

[P Riv]

NE showed up and more or less played the type of game we've been expecting since their spending spree.  Newton looks improved, Mac Jones looks as advertised also.  I am surprised that they are down 3 out of 4 TE's when that was their biggest upgrade this past offseason.  

We expect them to play tough D, try to run on everyone, etc.  Now what I really want to know is can they rely on their kicker (either one) and can they throw the ball to win a game if they have to.  Two big questions that remain.  The Jets aren't going anywhere this season and the Dolphins probably aren't either, so this is a two horse race and we're the fav.  I have slowly growing concern over this NE team though....

Edited August 20, 2021 by P Riv

[PatsFanNH]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

if the Bills lost Allen they are a completely different team…. Probably around .500. If they lost Diggs it’s a big blow but I still think they are a playoff team because Allen would find a way to carry the team and offense.

 

I agree, but with both your a SB contender. That’s why I consider it derailed.   The only question I have is what Defense shows up for the Bills.  

[SirAndrew]

It seems like reactions are divided between the Pats being the greatest team in NFL history, or the Eagles as the worst. I really don’t read that much into preseason outcomes. The Eagles are projected to be bad, and the Pats are probably a decent team. I don’t think the Pats are title contenders, but they should win enough games to contend for the playoffs imo. Bills fans are weird about admitting the Pats could be decent. The Pats can still be a good team without being better than us this season. 

[goober]

12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I have faith in Jones, I think he could manage the O fine and keep from making the big mistake while taking advantage of any turnovers the D gets.  this team is built a lot like 2001 team for the D to win games and for the O not to screw it up with bad turnovers.  (In other words I see Jones being able play like Brady did in 2001, Brady wasn’t the week one starter for us that year either lol)

 

Possibly, but I found this to be an interesting alternative perspective:

Letting Tom Brady go is worse than trading away Babe Ruth, so the Curse of the GOAT could be worse than the Curse of the Bambino, which kept the Red Sox from winning a World Series for 86 years.

https://www.pressherald.com/2020/03/31/the-universal-notebook-the-curse-of-the-mook-and-the-goat/

Based upon my many years research into the occult and all things supernatural, this does seem like the most likely scenario (unfortunately).

[RoyBatty is alive]

14 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

And worse, he’s the exact opposite player from Hurts.  You have to completely change your offense when he comes in.  The blocking, the timing, everything.  What are the Eagles doing?

 

Isnt Mac Jones the direct opposite of Cam Newton?

[JGMcD2]

13 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

know the Pats can beat the Chiefs, hell the should have last year! The Bills are the only team in the AFC that I am unsure of and that’s because of the Allen and Diggs connection. The Bills lose either one for any reason and your season is derailed big time! 

Obviously don’t want to lose either.. but this is kind of broad. If they’re out for the year… sure it’s an enormous blow. If Josh misses 4-5 games (lord, I hope not) Mitch is more than capable of winning 3-4 games in his absence. 
 

There’s a legitimate case to be made that Mitch is the 2nd best QB in the AFC East, behind the aforementioned Josh Allen. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I agree, but with both your a SB contender. That’s why I consider it derailed.   The only question I have is what Defense shows up for the Bills.  

 

The comment doesn't really make sense to make.  Losing a starting QB would pretty much derail just about every teams season.  I have that question too.  I hope better than last years defense.

[SCBills]

If you look at Super Bowl odds, the AFCE is a pretty tough division.  
 

Bills are only behind KC and TB, while both the Pats and Fins are in the top 10 of contenders at 30:1.  
 

Pats are going to be good.. they and the Dolphins are both potential WC teams.   
 

Sweeping the AFCE will be tough, although when discussing the strides team around us have made, we certainly have the ability to surround Josh with a much better run game and defense than we had last year… and it would be quite disappointing if we don’t.  …especially on Defense - I’m expecting a Top 10 unit this year. 
 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by SCBills

[PromoTheRobot]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If you look at Super Bowl odds, the AFCE is a pretty tough division.  
 

Bills are only behind KC and TB, while both the Pats and Fins are in the top 10 of contenders at 30:1.  
 

Pats are going to be good.. they and the Dolphins are both potential WC teams.   
 

Sweeping the AFCE will be tough, although when discussing the strides team around us have made, we certainly have the ability to surround Josh with a much better run game and defense than we had last year… and it would be quite disappointing if we don’t.  …especially on Defense - I’m expecting a Top 10 unit this year. 
 

 

 

 

Gonna have to disagree. Neither team has a QB. The Pats are trying to win the way the Bills did when we didn't have a QB.

[JerseyBills]

16 hours ago, AmishRifle said:

Pull out the bag of tricks.  

By tricks you mean the check book? 

[ColoradoBills]

Eagles are probably going to be in tank mode plus their cap is a mess next year too.

Time to get a TE from them!

 

 

 

 

Dallas Goedert is a FA next year and will not re-sign with Iggles.

Get'er done Brandon!

[P Riv]

40 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Gonna have to disagree. Neither team has a QB. The Pats are trying to win the way the Bills did when we didn't have a QB.

 

It looks to me the Pats are trying to win the same way they've been doing it for 2 decades.  Same coach, same methods, different players. 

[Watkins90]

18 hours ago, AmishRifle said:

I think we’re seeing Belichick’s formula this year. Tough defense, opportunistic, and eat clock with a running game supplemented by high percentage passing.  

Hasn't that always been his formula. 

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, P Riv said:

 

It looks to me the Pats are trying to win the same way they've been doing it for 2 decades.  Same coach, same methods, different players. 

 

 

Quote for emphasis.

[Coffeesforclosers]

I see the Patriots hoping Mac Jones can be c.2001 Tom Brady. 

 

Until he is, only the TB12 part of Brady and Belichick has a ring since they split. The other part went back to being the .500 coach he was before he got 19 years of TB12.

 

BB is coaching to prove he's the best coach ever, not just the luckiest.

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

Still not sure how improved the Patriots offense will be this year but man is that defense going to be nasty and a prototypical Belichik unit (i.e. top 5).

 

Plus we get them twice in the 2nd half of the season when they will likely be hitting their usual stride and/or have a spark from a possible QB change.

[PatsFanNH]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

The comment doesn't really make sense to make.  Losing a starting QB would pretty much derail just about every teams season.  I have that question too.  I hope better than last years defense.

There are a few on here who think Trabisky could do the job if Allen is injured. I 100% disagree.  I also think the Bills be good without Diggs but not SB good.

[PatsFanNH]

21 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

I see the Patriots hoping Mac Jones can be c.2001 Tom Brady. 

 

Until he is, only the TB12 part of Brady and Belichick has a ring since they split. The other part went back to being the .500 coach he was before he got 19 years of TB12.

 

BB is coaching to prove he's the best coach ever, not just the luckiest.

 

 

Did you see the talent level on the 2000 Patriots? I saw it ranked from 30 to 32 in talent… and BB still got that scrub of a team to 7-9 and they lost 2 or 3 games that they just shouldn’t have. Now with Talent and hopefully competent QB Play they could win 10 to 12 games maybe. 

[Ghost_002!]

52 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

I see the Patriots hoping Mac Jones can be c.2001 Tom Brady. 

 

Until he is, only the TB12 part of Brady and Belichick has a ring since they split. The other part went back to being the .500 coach he was before he got 19 years of TB12.

 

BB is coaching to prove he's the best coach ever, not just the luckiest.

 

 

 

 

That's not true, if so they would of just kept Tom Brady. Bill was ready for Tom Brady move on. A poster said it earlier. How the pats approach their offense since Brady was there is the same way they intend to run their offense going forward (once Cam is done). Brady was a especial intangible but BB thinks it's his system as long as he has the right players to execute it. 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[1ManRaid]

46 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Still not sure how improved the Patriots offense will be this year but man is that defense going to be nasty and a prototypical Belichik unit (i.e. top 5).

 

Plus we get them twice in the 2nd half of the season when they will likely be hitting their usual stride and/or have a spark from a possible QB change.

 

Weird, what you call a spark other people will call their offense sucking and a QB getting benched.

 

And I'm not concerned about the Pats hitting their 2nd half stride, did you see OUR 2nd half stride last year?  When our defense woke up and we went from a negative point differential over the first half of the season to dominating teams with the best point differential down the stretch?

[JGMcD2]

56 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

There are a few on here who think Trabisky could do the job if Allen is injured. I 100% disagree.  I also think the Bills be good without Diggs but not SB good.

That’s not what I said… I said he could keep us on track during the regular season should Josh miss time. 
 

I do stand by the point that Trubisky is arguably the 2nd best QB in the division. 

Edited August 20, 2021 by JGMcD2

[Klaus]

48 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

That’s not what I said… I said he could keep us on track during the regular season should Josh miss time. 
 

I do stand by the point that Trubisky is arguably the 2nd best QB in the division. 

 

Based on skill right now, I would take Trubisky as the 2nd best QB in the division.

Based on potential, I still might have him 2nd, but would probably drop him to 3rd and just say one of the other young QBs will be better, but I have no idea who.

 

[PatsFanNH]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

That’s not what I said… I said he could keep us on track during the regular season should Josh miss time. 
 

I do stand by the point that Trubisky is arguably the 2nd best QB in the division. 

Lol you were not the only person say something like that.  also isn’t that what I said “Trubisky can do the job if Allen gets injured”. 
 

also I totally disagree on Trubisky just because that man shrinks when it’s crunch time. There is a reason he is a backup..  but hey it’s ok to disagree..

3 hours ago, Klaus said:

 

Based on skill right now, I would take Trubisky as the 2nd best QB in the division.

Based on potential, I still might have him 2nd, but would probably drop him to 3rd and just say one of the other young QBs will be better, but I have no idea who.

 

My point is simple. with Trubisky you lose to the Pats and Dolphins at least once each. Both D are just to good and he is to mistake prone to not expect that to continue.. (Assuming Tua takes a normal step and Jones is under center for NE.)

 

I am biased I see Jones being the second best QB in the division and I don’t expect him to start week 1 lol.. 

[GunnerBill]

Two takeaways from this game:

 

1. Patriots are a legit playoff contender. Don't expect them to really push for the division but they are a likely wildcard team IMO and will finish ahead of Miami.

 

2. The Eagles will be the worst team in football, their Head Coach is a walking disaster zone and he will be 1 and done.

[machine gun kelly]

No argument on the Eagles.  It’s not just the HC, but the organization.  They have been in free fall since their SB win.  It has to start with the owner.

 

I’m in a wait and see on the Pats.  I’m not concerned we’ll beat them and win the division, but until they figure out the QB, and I just don’t see Cam looking as good in season.  He’s never been accurate, not improved, and his body is shot.  Any rookie QB can look good in the preseason with vanilla defenses.  We’ll see how Jones does when he has blitzes and pressure coming from all different angles.  Maybe he’ll figure it out like Herbert surprised the majority of people, or more likely he’ll look more like Tua.  
 

BB will do what everyone expects him to in what has been said above.  They picked up tall WR’s who are not that athletic, and two TE’s who are very competent.  Run, high % passes, and their typical complicated defenses.  If I had to predict, they’ll win against the Jets, Falcons, Panthers, Texans, Jags, Cowboys, Dolphins once, and maybe the Chargers (Saints are a wildcard as you don’t know what happens with the QB) That’s 9 wins.  They are going to have a tough time with the Bucs, Titans, Colts, Miami in Miami as for some reason they often give the Pats a tough time down there, Cleveland, and us twice. It’s why I’m guessing they will be a 9-10 game winning team which does not make the playoffs.  This is all predicated on they win every game they are supposed to win, and no hiccups.  The hype on the spending and BB a genius stuff is overrated in the media.  It was last year when they picked up Cam and they won 7 games.

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

The hype on the spending and BB a genius stuff is overrated in the media.  It was last year when they picked up Cam and they won 7 games.

 

I see that differently. They won 7 games with a 5 game roster and bottom 5 Quarterback play. I don't expect Cam or Jones to be great but wouldn't be difficult to be a tad better than last year. 

 

I agree ultimately they will 9 or 10 games. I think that will put you right on the cusp of that 7th seed. The way I see the AFC playoffs is Buffalo, KC, Tennessee and one of Baltimore or Cleveland are division winners. The other of Baltimore or Cleveland is the #5 seed. Then I think 6 and 7 are between the Chargers, Patriots, Dolphins and Colts. The Colts are the most complete of those but Quarterback is a problem and their schedule (especially early) is brutal. The Chargers have a Quarterback advantage. The Patriots have a coaching advantage. The Dolphins are solid but I am not sure I see their special.

[dollars 2 donuts]

On 8/20/2021 at 8:17 AM, ScottLaw said:

Yea, they’d be some where around .500 I think(I’m talking if Josh was out from game one and the entire year)…. Maybe a couple games better. The offense wouldn’t be anywhere near as good without Josh, IMO.

 

Even when in disarray at the start, McD was able to get this team to 9-7 with a serviceable qb in TT.  
 

I think Mitch is better and this is a better team.

 

if the strategy were to have Josh rest the entire season in anticipation of the playoffs I think this team, at worst, goes 10-7 which may win the division.  Same scenario I believe 11-6 is likely.

Edited August 21, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[dave mcbride]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Two takeaways from this game:

 

1. Patriots are a legit playoff contender. Don't expect them to really push for the division but they are a likely wildcard team IMO and will finish ahead of Miami.

 

2. The Eagles will be the worst team in football, their Head Coach is a walking disaster zone and he will be 1 and done.

Yes, they are indeed a good and talented team. That has been on display. Their running game is so well-coached and well-executed. I see 11 wins.

Edited August 21, 2021 by dave mcbride

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Yes, they are indeed a good and talented team. That has been on display. Their running game is so well-coached and well-executed. I see 11 wins.

 

9-11 is their range IMO. Second half of the schedule is tough but they could be 5-1 pretty easily. Chance to build momentum early.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I could see 10-7 if Mitch had to play the whole year…. 

 

They would need the D to play like the 2nd half of 2020 rather than the first half... but I agree this team is capable of 9/10 wins if Mitch plays the whole year. I said (and maintain) 5 was likely the ceiling with Barkley. 

[PatsFanNH]

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I see that differently. They won 7 games with a 5 game roster and bottom 5 Quarterback play. I don't expect Cam or Jones to be great but wouldn't be difficult to be a tad better than last year. 

 

I agree ultimately they will 9 or 10 games. I think that will put you right on the cusp of that 7th seed. The way I see the AFC playoffs is Buffalo, KC, Tennessee and one of Baltimore or Cleveland are division winners. The other of Baltimore or Cleveland is the #5 seed. Then I think 6 and 7 are between the Chargers, Patriots, Dolphins and Colts. The Colts are the most complete of those but Quarterback is a problem and their schedule (especially early) is brutal. The Chargers have a Quarterback advantage. The Patriots have a coaching advantage. The Dolphins are solid but I am not sure I see their special.

How I see it:

 

Baltimore — going regress more as people have figured out Jackson is just a running QB. (8-9 record they are swept by Cleveland and Pitt)
 

Dolphins - Regress as Tua struggles a lot and takes his bumps (7-10)

 

Chargers — O still excels but their D still stinks and 1 great pass rusher still doesn’t change that but they improve because of their QB.  (10-7)

 

Pitt — starts hot as usual but falls fast ends the year with a 9-8 record

 

Cleveland - Wins the division with a 12-4 record

 

KC — is the Alpha again of the AFC with a 15-1 record.

 

Vegas — D is meh and oh is meh.. they lose games they shouldn’t (5-12)

 

 

Colts — find out  their new QB truly sucks and they lose a lot, people are shocked but they will have a top 3 draft pick. 

Bills — barring injury they should roll to the 2 seed I say probably 13-4 maybe 12-5. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

How I see it:

 

Baltimore — going regress more as people have figured out Jackson is just a running QB. (8-9 record they are swept by Cleveland and Pitt)
 

Dolphins - Regress as Tua struggles a lot and takes his bumps (7-10)

 

Chargers — O still excels but their D still stinks and 1 great pass rusher still doesn’t change that but they improve because of their QB.  (10-7)

 

Pitt — starts hot as usual but falls fast ends the year with a 9-8 record

 

Cleveland - Wins the division with a 12-4 record

 

KC — is the Alpha again of the AFC with a 15-1 record.

 

Vegas — D is meh and oh is meh.. they lose games they shouldn’t (5-12)

 

 

Colts — find out  their new QB truly sucks and they lose a lot, people are shocked but they will have a top 3 draft pick. 

Bills — barring injury they should roll to the 2 seed I say probably 13-4 maybe 12-5. 

 

Disagree on Pittsburgh (below .500) and Baltimore (they will win double digit games again - excellent roster, favourable schedule).

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Disagree on Pittsburgh (below .500) and Baltimore (they will win double digit games again - excellent roster, favourable schedule).

I just don’t believe in Jackson as a QB he relies way way to much on his feet. I could be wrong though.