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Man, they’re really not taking Kelvin Benjamin being cut very well.

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Kelvin got lucky to be cut before having to run sprints. He would of never made it. 

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13 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

They are football players and since they were kids been ingrained in them to do whatever the coach says.. 

 

 

True, and maybe it's also true that they are saying to themselves, "Did I really do that? Jump onto a pile with a guy with a red jersey under it? What the hell is wrong with me? I deserve this and so do we all. Jeez, that was stupid."

 

I'm willing to believe that Judge isn't a good coach, but there's too little evidence to say that so far, IMO.

 

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2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Unless I see actual footage of the brawl then it didn't happen

You’re the tree in the forest guy.

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

True, and maybe it's also true that they are saying to themselves, "Did I really do that? Jump onto a pile with a guy with a red jersey under it? What the hell is wrong with me? I deserve this and so do we all. Jeez, that was stupid."

 

I'm willing to believe that Judge isn't a good coach, but there's too little evidence to say that so far, IMO.

 

Funny of this we’re the Bills, I honestly believe the O and D Line would be beating each other up just to get Allen out of there. Mongo would’ve gone nuts!

 

It’s actually a testament to our players and coaches there has been so little skirmishes amongst the guys as Sal seems to say almost daily the energy level is so high.

 

Supposedly the competitive practices is the usual times where fights start.  Remember two years ago when we and the Panthers mucked it up a little.

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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

True, and maybe it's also true that they are saying to themselves, "Did I really do that? Jump onto a pile with a guy with a red jersey under it? What the hell is wrong with me? I deserve this and so do we all. Jeez, that was stupid."

 

I'm willing to believe that Judge isn't a good coach, but there's too little evidence to say that so far, IMO.

 

Judge MAY be a terrible HC! I don’t know but IMO the punishment definitely equals the crime. Like you said the players probably agreed, and couldn’t believe how stupid they were.. after all they are all brothers. 

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55 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

You’re the tree in the forest guy.

Funny of this we’re the Bills, I honestly believe the O and D Line would be beating each other up just to get Allen out of there. Mongo would’ve gone nuts!

 

It’s actually a testament to our players and coaches there has been so little skirmishes amongst the guys as Sal seems to say almost daily the energy level is so high.

 

Supposedly the competitive practices is the usual times where fights start.  Remember two years ago when we and the Panthers mucked it up a little.

 

The thing is, we may have had as much of a “brawl” when Ed Oliver and Spencer Brown went at it:

 

The differences being: 

1) Allen wasn’t involved, which is a testament to either his good sense or his teammates holding “The Franchise” out of it

2) The players evidently broke it up themselves pretty quickly.  Ed Oliver referred to it as “just a little scuffle, competition, you know” and said “we might go eat together”.  Anything the coaches had to say about it was left private.

 

I can’t help wondering if Joe Judge magnified and focused attention on it by his reaction vs. keeping the coaches focus on what the players are doing right

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15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I heard 'Zo Alexander talk about the Myles Garrett incident and how "all you see is red" at times like that and what really holds you back are your teammates bear hugging you and physically walking you away.

 

So if it were really a melee, and Josh jumped into it, I think tempers would be so hot that respect level wouldn't matter.

 

The difference seems to be when a couple players get into it at our training camp as has happened at least 2x now, other players step in quickly to break it up.  It's not the respect for the QB that's the difference (though, when cool headed of course you're right they respect him).  It's having player leaders at each position who act effectively to keep a lid on things.


 

Totally agree, but in a single team practice - tempers just should not run that high - compared to a division rival late in the season.  Guys should be able to control it to various levels.

 

With his competitive streak - I could see Josh jumping in and going at it and taking the situation up a notch, but again in practice these guys all seem to up the intensity without some of the crazy.  
 

You typically get a couple of linemen going at it or a wr/cb in single issues, but nothing this full blown.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The thing is, we may have had as much of a “brawl” when Ed Oliver and Spencer Brown went at it:

 

The differences being: 

1) Allen wasn’t involved, which is a testament to either his good sense or his teammates holding “The Franchise” out of it

2) The players evidently broke it up themselves pretty quickly.  Ed Oliver referred to it as “just a little scuffle, competition, you know” and said “we might go eat together”.  Anything the coaches had to say about it was left private.

 

I can’t help wondering if Joe Judge magnified and focused attention on it by his reaction vs. keeping the coaches focus on what the players are doing right

Agreed on Judge’s behavior.

 

In a general sense I also think it could look differently from the outside for a team that’s been successful vs not. We’ve made the playoffs 3 of 4, AFCCG, etc. with McDermott vs the Giants’ recent struggles.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The thing is, we may have had as much of a “brawl” when Ed Oliver and Spencer Brown went at it:

 

The differences being: 

1) Allen wasn’t involved, which is a testament to either his good sense or his teammates holding “The Franchise” out of it

2) The players evidently broke it up themselves pretty quickly.  Ed Oliver referred to it as “just a little scuffle, competition, you know” and said “we might go eat together”.  Anything the coaches had to say about it was left private.

 

I can’t help wondering if Joe Judge magnified and focused attention on it by his reaction vs. keeping the coaches focus on what the players are doing right

I think we've seen it on occasion when a scuffle breaks out in a game Josh's teammates are mindful to get out of the area.

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Sounds like they need to send Engram out of town, can’t have those retaliatory type of actions, send him to WNY for a 5th, we’ll rehab him.

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Daniel Jones is such a weird QB. He is talented and a good Athlete. He will make these eye popping throws and great runs then trip over himself and fumble or throw a horrible pick

 

Every time I watch him I am both impressed and wondering how he is in the league 

He’s a classic example of an over drafted player with “Potential”.  He is exactly what I was afraid we got when we drafted JA.  Most end up more like Jones than reaching their potential.   I hope the kid finds it this year and does well.  The odds are against him, hope it works out for him.

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19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Confused Little Girl GIF

 

Deion Sanders just had a meltdown about the same thing now that he is coaching a college team. Told the media they wouldn't call Coach Saban "Nick", and the media were like "uhh, we do all the time".

 

That kind of demand reeks of insecurity and demanding respect instead of being able to earn it.

 

Giants coaching search begins now.

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7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Deion Sanders just had a meltdown about the same thing now that he is coaching a college team. Told the media they wouldn't call Coach Saban "Nick", and the media were like "uhh, we do all the time".

 

That kind of demand reeks of insecurity and demanding respect instead of being able to earn it.

 

Giants coaching search begins now.

 

I was just thinking about that - has anyone on the Bills staff ever made a similar request?

 

It seems to me that the Bills coaches make a point of learning the reporters' names and I can recall mostly calling them by their first names, usually asking something about them - "How are you doing?" type thing - but I can't recall how the reporters address the coaches.

 

Guess I'll have to pay attention.

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23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I was just thinking about that - has anyone on the Bills staff ever made a similar request?

 

It seems to me that the Bills coaches make a point of learning the reporters' names and I can recall mostly calling them by their first names, usually asking something about them - "How are you doing?" type thing - but I can't recall how the reporters address the coaches.

 

Guess I'll have to pay attention.


 

Sal on WGR was talking about this yesterday.  
 

He - having grown up playing and coaching at different levels - said he typically addresses the staff as Coach so&so or just coach, but when addressed by his first name will on occasion respond with the coaches name - such as Sean.  
 

Several other media members use first name only as the staff they are talking with are not their coach it is Sean McDermott - coach of the Bills.  
 

Both seem acceptable as the staff has responded perfectly fine to either.

 

Sal said he sometimes gets ribbed by other Media members for calling them coach, but he sees it as a sign of respect for what they have earned - much like calling someone Doctor as a sign of respect.

 

He was also quick to point out that any coach (Garett/Deion) requesting to be called coach is a terrible look because that takes it out of personal discussion and basically says “I think I am better” and that leads to unhealthy interactions where the Media is going in more antagonistic.  Basically - it is an asinine hill to die on - be better and let it go - even if you think you deserve that respect.

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On 8/4/2021 at 10:13 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

The thing is, we may have had as much of a “brawl” when Ed Oliver and Spencer Brown went at it:

 

The differences being: 

1) Allen wasn’t involved, which is a testament to either his good sense or his teammates holding “The Franchise” out of it

2) The players evidently broke it up themselves pretty quickly.  Ed Oliver referred to it as “just a little scuffle, competition, you know” and said “we might go eat together”.  Anything the coaches had to say about it was left private.

 

I can’t help wondering if Joe Judge magnified and focused attention on it by his reaction vs. keeping the coaches focus on what the players are doing right

 

Two players going at it with other teammates breaking it up isn't even close to the whole team going at it.  Much less the QB also diving into the pile. 

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11 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

Wow looks like Judge is rubbing off on Garrett. Maybe Garrett is starting to think he needs to be a little more of a hardass to be a better coach

 

Or maybe he's playing the Todd Hayley game and pushing along Judge's own demise so he can step in as interim HC once Judge is fired.

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Two players going at it with other teammates breaking it up isn't even close to the whole team going at it.  Much less the QB also diving into the pile. 

 

There was a description of "a big pile of large people" before it was broken up, which is not quite the same thing as "two people then other teammates breaking it up".

 

Agree that the QB not diving into it is a difference.

 

Another difference is that if the coaches had anything to say about it, they said it calmly, quietly, and in private - not the terrible "mixed message" of yelling abuse and calling for gassers and pushups and more gassers and more pushups, then being quoted the next day as "It turned me on"

 

The dissonance between the two messages is absolutely bogus

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