plenzmd1 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Wonder how Sweeney is taking this. Maybe he is telling Cole not to take the vaccine? https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/06/10/covid-vaccine-myocarditis-rates-061021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I guess you could argue that mouthing off about something without informing yourself carefully first is a form of idiocy, but it seems like something else to me - poor impulse control? immaturity? You definitely could argue that. Quite persuasively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you listen, could you provide a synopsis? Thanks Trying to find it now. I think it will go like this: Lots of people died in the US of A, Scientists know best, but I don’t care what they say. God’s got my back, I’m in the league today. But if the shield won’t protect me, I ain’t gonna play 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The protocols are trash. Have Cole sign the waiver saying no one in the NFL or with the Bills is responsible if he gets it. Done. That's how life should be but we're in peak stupid stupid times. Does his waiver also cover if he gives it to Josh Allen? Edited June 18, 2021 by jeremy2020 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I mean, it's not impossible that he's an idiot, but usually when people don't understand something like labor laws or the Constitution and how it's been interpreted for >100 years with regard to vaccination, it's not because they're idiots, it's because they're uninformed or misinformed. I guess you could argue that mouthing off about something without informing yourself carefully first is a form of idiocy, but it seems like something else to me - poor impulse control? immaturity? The thing is they’ve all been briefed on this - their options, what the league can and cannot force them to do, etc. I’m sure they’ve gotten a memo from the union. And the players on this team, in particular, have discussed it and decided how they’re going to deal with this issue vis-a-vis the media. And if that weren’t enough, his OWN BOSS got in trouble already for musing publicly about cutting players who refuse vaccination. So yeah, I suppose he could just be misinformed or immature, but I mean… 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Before you get "vaccinated" you sign a waiver that no one is responsible for any serious side effects you'll have now or in the future. It's all good tho. "Stop being a baby and take it!" --Same people criticizing those saying "stop being a wuss it has a near 100% survival rate if you're under 60. Bizarre. Absolutely friggin bizarre. The protocols are trash. Have Cole sign the waiver saying no one in the NFL or with the Bills is responsible if he gets it. Done. That's how life should be but we're in peak stupid stupid times. 1) the issue isn't Cole not wanting to be vaccinated - you do understand that, yes? It's beyond the scope here, but one can look at the number of people who have been vaccinated and the side effects and see that the former is large and the latter is small. Those data are publicly available, you know that, yes? 2) The issue for the NFL isn't survival, it's availability during the season. It's potentially spreading a contagious disease to others rendering them unavailable. You do understand that, yes? When the concern is availability, survival is perhaps not the best metric for a disease that some people (including young people) take weeks or months to recover from? 3) Because Covid is an airborne contagious disease, the issue isn't responsibility if Cole is infected, the issue is contagious spread to others, can we see that? 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Could Cole be just as upset as Brian Higgins that the Canadian border isn't reopening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 hours ago, wppete said: Got to respect a man who speaks his mind and stands by his principals. Good for Cole. That's not respect worthy, sorry. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Does his waiver also cover if Josh Allen gets it because Cole got it? We don’t concern ourselves with what happens to others because of the choices we make. It’s god’s will. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Does his waiver also cover if he gives it to Josh Allen? That would cover whoever the heck you caught it from Why do we care? Why did the NFLPA repeat last years protocols that were crafted in May of 2020 for people that choose not to get the vaccine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He is free to retire, sure. He is free to remain in the NFL, not get the vaccine, and follow the NFL/NFLPA protocols for unvaccinated players. He is free to challenge those protocols and try to get them modified. He doesn't have the choice to remain in the NFL, not get the vaccine, and thumb his nose at the protocols the NFL and NFLPA agreed to as part of their CBA. You are right- my only point is he appears to be choosing a path of freedom- through his lense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Does his waiver also cover if he gives it to Josh Allen? Dingdingdingding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Does his waiver also cover if he gives it to Josh Allen? If he gives it to Josh, I think that he gets hung off the goal posts at the Ralph. Won’t need to retire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Returntoglory said: That's not respect worthy, sorry. Why not? Because he chooses to not put a vax in his body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 1) the issue isn't Cole not wanting to be vaccinated - you do understand that, yes? It's beyond the scope here, but one can look at the number of people who have been vaccinated and the side effects and see that the former is large and the latter is small. Those data are publicly available, you know that, yes? 2) The issue for the NFL isn't survival, it's availability during the season. It's potentially spreading a contagious disease to others rendering them unavailable. You do understand that, yes? When the concern is availability, survival is perhaps not the best metric for a disease that some people (including young people) take weeks or months to recover from? 3) Because Covid is an airborne contagious disease, the issue isn't responsibility if Cole is infected, the issue is contagious spread to others, can we see that? All their choice yes. So you're advocating forced universal vaccination, correct? Edited June 18, 2021 by Big Blitz 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I have a feeling the covid protocol will change very soon just in time for TC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: All their choice yes. So you're advocating forced universal vaccination, correct? So you’re advocating universal free choice about what people can and cannot do with their own bodies, correct? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Glad we all get along 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Christian Mccaffrey didn’t get the vaccine either (well, he refused to comment so…) Wonder how Panthers handle that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: Glad we all get along I don’t pay these high membership fees here at TBD to get along with everybody. I’m here for the argument 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Christian Mccaffrey didn’t get the vaccine either (well, he refused to comment so…) Wonder how Panthers handle that one In a small room with some chloroform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: I have a feeling the covid protocol will change very soon just in time for TC. That is the other ridiculous thing about his outburst. The trend is towards a reduction in restrictions as overall case counts drop; the likelihood of the protocols not being relaxed seems low. If he was informed that it was just for preseason and the final protocols are not established, that seems like all the more reason to hold back and not have a public attention-seeking meltdown. He could continue rationally lobbying for reduced restrictions (publicly and privately). But apparently he lacks any sense of patience. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He really likes attention. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: Glad we all get along This isn't hard. What is your vaccinated self's justification after almost 2 years (of course it's longer because well it was from....not nature) do you have for wanting everyone to get vaccinated even if they don't want it at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Christian Mccaffrey didn’t get the vaccine either (well, he refused to comment so…) Wonder how Panthers handle that one As another said above, I think we're in for a couple of entertaining months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said: I don’t pay these high membership fees here at TBD to get along with everybody. I’m here for the argument You must be one of the 'TBD without Ads' elites 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: This isn't hard. What is your vaccinated self's justification after almost 2 years (of course it's longer because well it was from....not nature) do you have for wanting everyone to get vaccinated even if they don't want it at this point? Wut 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Personally, I don't care if he's misinformed, doesn't get the vaccine or disagrees that gravity is nothing more than theory. It's about what he said that makes it very clear that he doesn't believe in freedom of choice. He believe that he should get to make whatever choice and everyone else should then be subject to it because *he* doesn't like something. Most players disagree with him otherwise, if they felt as strongly as he and Rachel Bush would like people to believe then the NFLPA wouldn't have agreed to those rules. It's about his selfishness. Get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine and do what you agreed to do, or don't like it and don't play in the NFL. He chose to throw a tantrum to try to get things his way. In the process of which, he violated a direct agreement he made with his teammates, coaches and the team that they weren't going to talk about individuals vaccination status. Bingo. He's a childish attention ***** throwing a tantrum. I have zero respect for this guy now. Just to be clear, I've been vaccinated, but I understand there are risks and people have a legitimate right to question the safety and efficacy of the vaccine vs. just contracting COVID. Hell, my brother-in-law is a healthy 34 year old. He received the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and unfortunately he was one of the few (or maybe not so few now) folks who ended up in the hospital with myocarditis. He's on meds now and is expected to recover in time. So yeah, I get younger dudes possibly being scared and wanting to avoid the vaccine. But the truth is, for those dudes whose immune systems are primed for that heart inflammation response, they're likely going to have the same issue if they actually end up with COVID (see Tommy Sweeney). Where these folks like Beasley lose the plot, is in thinking they have some God given right to continue to interact with society when they willfully break the social contract and refuse to follow the rules that society has agreed upon to keep us safe. If you don't want the vaccine, then fine, that's your right. But just remember that you forfeit entry into any social/professional setting that has agreed upon rules to ensure safety with regard to this virus. 4 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Maybe he is telling Cole not to take the vaccine? https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/06/10/covid-vaccine-myocarditis-rates-061021 That's not how he got it and that is a crazy low rate lol. 148M vaccinated in the US and that few have that side effect, that actually makes me feel better about it. However, Sweeney got his from COVID and not the vaccine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterKnowItAll Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I haven’t read this whole thread. Josh Allen isn’t vaccinated right now and doesn’t plan on getting it as of now either. He isn’t saying anything at the moment though. Not sure if he will speak up or not. I imagine there will be more players speaking up about these vaccine rules before the season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Christian Mccaffrey didn’t get the vaccine either (well, he refused to comment so…) Wonder how Panthers handle that one Oh boy, here we go again. Wait until Sherlock finds out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Wut Not you personally...anyone. And I'm saying I don't understand how there could be any division at all over this. Take the Vax if you want. It is not mandatory for everyone to live or work as they choose. I'm all for continuing "Covid and Vaccine awareness." Compulsory Vax, no. And for the record I'm "fully vaccinated." Edited June 18, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, H2o said: Oh boy, here we go again. Wait until Sherlock finds out. On that note, neither did Nick Bosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Coleflake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: In a small room with some chloroform? Just him the J&J one shot vaccine when he is getting his other meds in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: This isn't hard. What is your vaccinated self's justification after almost 2 years (of course it's longer because well it was from....not nature) do you have for wanting everyone to get vaccinated even if they don't want it at this point? I don't think anyone's calling for universal vaccination. It's more that if you sign a contract under which your employer has to pay you $30 million, you should honor that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: She didn't quite rant against obesity as the clearly "You must all vax" account says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, billsfan_34 said: You are right- my only point is he appears to be choosing a path of freedom- through his lense. OK, I can see that, from your POV. My point is that he's very publicly creating a horrid dilemma for his coaches and GMs, by announcing that he will neither be vaccinated nor follow the NFL/NFLPA protocols for non-vaccinated players. He's kind of throwing his team's NFLPA reps (and the NFLPA in general) under the bus as collateral damage, and of course, potentially putting other non-vaccinated teammates at risk if one believes that the protocols were a best-practice to protect everyone from contagious disease. I don't think it's OK to choose a path of personal freedom that carries so much collateral damage, but YMMV. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Can't fix really, really, really stupid. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 14 hours ago, Klaista2k said: It's not even FDA approved. Unreal how stupid some people in this thread are. I’d like to say it’s been nice knowing you, but that wouldn’t be honest. See ya. -WAIT! That’s a lie, too! 7 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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