EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m neither pro dome or anti dome. My point is that if the stadium is out in the suburbs I find it hard to believe that the people paying for it will invest in the roof. I know that I wouldn’t if it was my money. 

I think if you asked Josh what his preference would be, he'd say he'd rather have a dome. A controlled environment where you can take full advantage of his canon arm. Weather (wind, rain, snow) eliminates any advantage a physically skilled qb might have. And a dome would have no effect whatsoever on the tailgate experience. I'm pro dome because I feel it gives the Bill's the best odds at winning a SB. 

JMHO....not everyone will agree and that's ok. Build a 2B stadium similar to the Vikings. 

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I think if you asked Josh what his preference would be, he'd say he'd rather have a dome. A controlled environment where you can take full advantage of his canon arm. Weather (wind, rain, snow) eliminates any advantage a physically skilled qb might have. And a dome would have no effect whatsoever on the tailgate experience. I'm pro dome because I feel it gives the Bill's the best odds at winning a SB. 

JMHO....not everyone will agree and that's ok. Build a 2B stadium similar to the Vikings. 

The ***** you talking about... Josh would prefer a dome.... get outta here

 

Did you all listen to Beane's interview with Pat McAfee? He said they embrace the cold/wind/snow and want teams to have to travel there for playoff games. These guys know they can win in any conditions and padding their stats in a dome is soooooo far down on their priority list.

 

It's gonna be open-air in OP and that's not short-sighted. This is football.

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m neither pro dome or anti dome. My point is that if the stadium is out in the suburbs I find it hard to believe that the people paying for it will invest in the roof. I know that I wouldn’t if it was my money. 

Truth.

 

The multi-use issue is so overblown, too. Plenty of open-air stadiums around the league get used for summer concerts and stuff. The Pegula's happen to own an entertainment group...

 

I think you can expect this thing to be designed with summer concerts in mind.

 

I think you can also expect them to engineer it with th wind in mind, orientation structural features in a way that minimizes the nasty swirl.

[RiotAct]

man, one nice thing about a dome is it would make our crazy fans seem even louder.  

 

Like LeGoatSki alluded to above, hopefully they take acoustics into strong consideration if it ends up being an open-air stadium (like they did with the Seahawks’ joint)

[LeGOATski]

50 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

man, one nice thing about a dome is it would make our crazy fans seem even louder.  

 

Like LeGoatSki alluded to above, hopefully they take acoustics into strong consideration if it ends up being an open-air stadium (like they did with the Seahawks’ joint)

That's false. A dome causes sound waves to rebound and cancel each other out (consider headphones with active noise-cancelation. They produce a sound frequency that matches outside noise in order to cancel it out). 

 

Think of an amplifier. It's a cone with an open end. The loudest stadiums (Seattle, KC, Bills) aren't just loud because of rabid fan bases. It's because they're open-air amplifiers that don't cancel out any frequencies coming from within.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, but that's the gist of it. I'm sure you can engineer a roof to minimize noise cancelation, but you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot if maximum decibels are a priority.

[Augie]

19 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The Stadium is in need of refurbishment, or replacement. No doubt.

The Buffalo News article however, simply does not pass the 'Smell Test'.

 

I spent the afternoon helping my son move into his first house. Upon returning home my wife informed me that I failed that same test. 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I spent the afternoon helping my son move into his first house. Upon returning home my wife informed me that I failed that same test. 

tell her to grade you on a curve

[PromoTheRobot]

19 hours ago, loyal2dagame said:

 

Edit: just seen his profile pic....👍

It's been called the vomitotium since before the Pegulas owned the team

 

I swear I never knew there was an official vomitorium.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Watch out Bills fans. 15 dollar pizza is coming in the new stadium

 

Fans said it was terrible 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Beast]

Grass or turf?

[nucci]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Watch out Bills fans. 15 dollar pizza is coming in the new stadium

 

Fans said it was terrible 

 

 

who eats stadium food? When I went I ate before the game in the lot and that lasted till I got home

[BillnutinHouston]

My contribution to the thread:

 

vom·i·to·ri·um

/ˌväməˈtôrēəm/

noun

1.

each of a series of entrance or exit passages in an ancient Roman amphitheater or theater.

----------

 

Bottom line, any correlation of this term with Bills fans' drinking habits is purely accidental.

[purple haze]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I think if you asked Josh what his preference would be, he'd say he'd rather have a dome. A controlled environment where you can take full advantage of his canon arm. Weather (wind, rain, snow) eliminates any advantage a physically skilled qb might have. And a dome would have no effect whatsoever on the tailgate experience. I'm pro dome because I feel it gives the Bill's the best odds at winning a SB. 

JMHO....not everyone will agree and that's ok. Build a 2B stadium similar to the Vikings. 

But the reports are it will be an open air venue in OP.  Why do you and others keep talking about a roof?  That ship is out to sea.  Will you show up for games in the stadium they will actually build or enjoy games at home?

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

2 games a year?....how bout 8 games a year with wind. Everyone always forgets about the wind. 

The horrors of wind.. dude football is absolutely made to be played in wind and rain and snow

 

And the wind effects the other team's quarterbacks a lot more than effects Josh Allen.. same in the Kelly days 

 

There's about one or two games a year where it's freezing cold with terrible wind.. 

 

And you can still play football in it.. and there's 70,000 people that will attend

 

 

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The wind @ the Raven's playoff game made one wish, that some testicular anti-freeze was available, in addition to the warm clothing that was already worn for this mid Jan. event. Need I say more?

my cojones were fine, but my feet were ice blocks after that game.

[beerme1]

On 8/15/2021 at 7:04 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

"No replacement parts", is sending my B.S. meter through the ceiling. Heated seats are not exactly unique items.

The entire article (In my opinion) is attempting to corral fans into thinking that things are much worse than they seem.

 

On 8/15/2021 at 7:23 PM, Patience said:

 

I tend to think the same thing. 

 

As a former club seat ticket holder I can tell you this is not BS. Nobody makes the parts. That means when your seat heater element wears out, they don't replace it.

 

 

3 hours ago, Beast said:

Grass or turf?

 

Grass for me please. So done with turf.

[Patience]

46 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

 

As a former club seat ticket holder I can tell you this is not BS. Nobody makes the parts. That means when your seat heater element wears out, they don't replace it. 

 

I was responding to his reaction to the article, but neglected to take the part regarding the heated seats.  But, good to know.  I was considering purchasing those seats next season, potentially.  

[CountDorkula]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The horrors of wind.. dude football is absolutely made to be played in wind and rain and snow

 

And the wind effects the other team's quarterbacks a lot more than effects Josh Allen.. same in the Kelly days 

 

There's about one or two games a year where it's freezing cold with terrible wind.. 

 

And you can still play football in it.. and there's 70,000 people that will attend

 

 

Hah,

 

I want to watch the best athletes be the best they can be.

I don't want to have to watch the bills run the ball because of 25-30 mph winds. 

Build a dome.

 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

Hah,

 

I want to watch the best athletes be the best they can be.

I don't want to have to watch the bills run the ball because of 25-30 mph winds. 

Build a dome.

 

I've been watching Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson be the best for years in open-air stadiums.

[Motorin']

51 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I've been watching Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson be the best for years in open-air stadiums.

 

The way Rich was built magnified the effects of wind. There's much better, newer designs that minimize the effects of wind. That should be a main feature of any new open air stadium.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

Hah,

 

I want to watch the best athletes be the best they can be.

I don't want to have to watch the bills run the ball because of 25-30 mph winds. 

Build a dome.

 

Pittsburgh rust belt no dome, Cleveland rust belt no dome, Buffalo rust belt no dome, New England in New England, no dome , Philadelphia no dome, Green Bay no dome

 

As much as you think the wind affects our team, it effects the other team a lot more... Cuz they don't have Josh Allen

[nkreed]

14 hours ago, beerme1 said:

As a former club seat ticket holder I can tell you this is not BS. Nobody makes the parts. That means when your seat heater element wears out, they don't replace it.

I can also tell you from experience that they don't cover exposed electrical components upon wearing out.  My posterior was toasty but I also received an ridiculous amount of shocks that got me to jump up out of my seat!

 

And that was the only time I was in those nice seats....

[Mr Info]

24 minutes ago, nkreed said:

I can also tell you from experience that they don't cover exposed electrical components upon wearing out.  My posterior was toasty but I also received an ridiculous amount of shocks that got me to jump up out of my seat!

 

And that was the only time I was in those nice seats....

Where are these self heated club seats?

I am a current club seat holder and heat for my seats comes from above.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

19 hours ago, Beast said:

Grass or turf?

Or whatever this is! 

[DrDawkinstein]

20 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Watch out Bills fans. 15 dollar pizza is coming in the new stadium

 

Fans said it was terrible 

 

 

 

That piece doesnt actually look that bad. Which probably says more about my current pizza availability situation than anything else...

 

However, I'm hoping the Bills follow the Falcons lead with their Refreshments Policy that has been HUGELY successful and copied by a couple other teams since this article was published.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-25/atlanta-falcons-broke-the-rules-of-stadium-food-and-it-paid-off

Quote

When the Atlanta Falcons announced the food prices at their new $1.5 billion stadium -- $2 hot dogs and sodas, $3 nachos, $5 beer -- fans loved it, and people in other cities started pushing their local ownership groups to follow suit.

 

[LabattBlue]

49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That piece doesnt actually look that bad. Which probably says more about my current pizza availability situation than anything else...

 

However, I'm hoping the Bills follow the Falcons lead with their Refreshments Policy that has been HUGELY successful and copied by a couple other teams since this article was published.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-25/atlanta-falcons-broke-the-rules-of-stadium-food-and-it-paid-off

 

I would bet the house the Bills don’t go down this road(even though they absolutely should).  The excuse will be that even though concession prices are through the roof, ticket prices are lower blah blah blah...

[LeGOATski]

51 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That piece doesnt actually look that bad. Which probably says more about my current pizza availability situation than anything else...

 

However, I'm hoping the Bills follow the Falcons lead with their Refreshments Policy that has been HUGELY successful and copied by a couple other teams since this article was published.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-25/atlanta-falcons-broke-the-rules-of-stadium-food-and-it-paid-off

 

Yeah, stadiums out-price themselves.

 

It's like the rides at the zoo near my house. $10 for one ride around a dinky kids roller coaster. No surprise that we never see anyone on their rides. Cut that price in half and they'd probably increase their profits 500%+.

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It is B.S. A heating element, is a simple electrical item. It's NiChrome wire, like the element, in your toaster. They simply didn't want to spend the money.

Replace the seat, if they must, but to say parts are NLA, is a heapin' helpin'....

I bet that I could fix a broken heater, myself...

 

Still on this jag? Why don't you call the Bills and offer to fix those seats for them. Sight unseen, you obviously know how to do it and for a lot less. Of course you can't leave any exposed wiring after you're done.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, BTB said:

I would bet the house the Bills don’t go down this road(even though they absolutely should).  The excuse will be that even though concession prices are through the roof, ticket prices are lower blah blah blah...

 

I don't eat at the stadium not because of the prices but because the food is crap. Sell the crap for $2-3 but offer something good and I'll pay full boat. 

3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

No need. Any electrician could fix those seats.

 

Any electrician I know would take one look and say "these are out of production, you need a whole new one."

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

You should buy one, for those ice cold N.H. gamedays: https://www.sitandheat.com/sports/product/heated-vip-seats/

 

Lucky for me when I attend a cold weather spring event in usually in the press box. Though the have been times I've had to sit in the stands with my computer on my lap.

[Just Jack]

6 hours ago, Mr Info said:

Where are these self heated club seats?

I am a current club seat holder and heat for my seats comes from above.

 

They switched a few years ago to the baked potato heaters that you see now. 

 

 

5 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

That should be reported.

https://www.sitandheat.com/sports/

https://www.sitandheat.com/sports/product/heated-vip-seats/

The Bills could simply replace the seats.

If I was ponying up the big bucks for a club seat, I would insist that the heated seat, was in good condition.

 

Once again, they went with a company that went out of business so there were no replacement parts.  Plus they took out all the outlets the seats were plugged into.  Yes, each seat had it's own outlet, that you could turn on and off yourself.  Now they use overhead heaters instead.  

Edited August 18, 2021 by Just Jack

[beerme1]

13 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It is B.S. A heating element, is a simple electrical item. It's NiChrome wire, like the element, in your toaster. They simply didn't want to spend the money.

Replace the seat, if they must, but to say parts are NLA, is a heapin' helpin'....

I bet that I could fix a broken heater, myself...

 

 

I don't doubt that you could make them. But can you tell me who does make them?

Or show me a heated seat that they could replace and plug into the existing receptacle and the seat bucket matches all the rest. 

9 hours ago, nkreed said:

I can also tell you from experience that they don't cover exposed electrical components upon wearing out.  My posterior was toasty but I also received an ridiculous amount of shocks that got me to jump up out of my seat!

 

And that was the only time I was in those nice seats....

 

 

LOL this is so true!!! After eight beers though you kind of start to like it.

[nkreed]

17 hours ago, Mr Info said:

Where are these self heated club seats?

I am a current club seat holder and heat for my seats comes from above.

This was a while ago, a la 2013 while ago.

17 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

That should be reported.

https://www.sitandheat.com/sports/

https://www.sitandheat.com/sports/product/heated-vip-seats/

The Bills could simply replace the seats.

If I was ponying up the big bucks for a club seat, I would insist that the heated seat, was in good condition.

I was gifted the seats for a one time experience. It was cold out and I was happy to have some heat. Some shocks to the butt weren't going to stop my experience!

[Doc]

I would assume that, since they went to the chicken cooker method of heating fans, getting replacement parts for the heated seats wasn’t an option anymore.  Hopefully they don’t make the same mistakes as before when the new stadium gets built, partially with taxpayer money and partially with the Pegula‘s own money. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/18/the-saber-rattling-over-the-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-officially-has-begun/ I think we know a deal will get done, Florio is an ####### who’s been wanting the Bills to leave for a while now. The Pegulas presented a plan and they’re waiting on word back from officials if it’s been given the green light.

Edited August 18, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/18/the-saber-rattling-over-the-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-officially-has-begun/ I think we know a deal will get done, Florio is an ####### who’s been wanting the Bills to leave for a while now. The Pegulas presented a plan and they’re waiting on word back from officials if it’s been given the green light.

 

Saw this blowing up on reddit with folks all up in arms, cursing the Pegulas.

 

It is nothing more than clickbait from Florio + some minor negotiating through the media.

 

The Bills arent leaving Buffalo. It will all get worked out.

[BuffaloBills1998]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Saw this blowing up on reddit with folks all up in arms, cursing the Pegulas.

 

It is nothing more than clickbait from Florio + some minor negotiating through the media.

 

The Bills arent leaving Buffalo. It will all get worked out.

Exactly, I’m just frustrated with the amount of hate that’s getting thrown our way and seeing people wanting the Bills to move. It’s all stupid and BS. I can’t wait for the new stadium in OP

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/18/the-saber-rattling-over-the-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-officially-has-begun/ I think we know a deal will get done, Florio is an ####### who’s been wanting the Bills to leave for a while now. The Pegulas presented a plan and they’re waiting on word back from officials if it’s been given the green light.

Florio is such an #######.  Almost as bad as the morons that commented on the story.  I would guess that since the land that they want to build the stadium on is owned by the city, the city would have to decide if they want to agree to the plans?  The quote may not even have much to do with the funding.  But that wouldn't make for such a catchy story.

[DrDawkinstein]

14 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Florio is such an #######.  Almost as bad as the morons that commented on the story.  I would guess that since the land that they want to build the stadium on is owned by the city, the city would have to decide if they want to agree to the plans?  The quote may not even have much to do with the funding.  But that wouldn't make for such a catchy story.

 

Absolutely.

They are still trying to get a Downtown stadium deal done. Or else, why even mention the city? If they stay in OP they are just dealing with the County officials.

 

I still believe the "leaks" that the Pegulas want to build an OP stadium are nothing more than threats to city officials.

 

We'll see... Either way, the Bills arent leaving Buffalo.

[BuffaloBills1998]

37 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Absolutely.

They are still trying to get a Downtown stadium deal done. Or else, why even mention the city? If they stay in OP they are just dealing with the County officials.

 

I still believe the "leaks" that the Pegulas want to build an OP stadium are nothing more than threats to city officials.

 

We'll see... Either way, the Bills arent leaving Buffalo.

We’re not getting a stadium in DT, they’ve confirmed the Pegulas want to stay In OP and that the new stadium will be built across the street in a parking lot that they own thats near the team facility. But I 💯 agree with you that That Bills aren’t leaving Buffalo

[Buffalo716]

40 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Absolutely.

They are still trying to get a Downtown stadium deal done. Or else, why even mention the city? If they stay in OP they are just dealing with the County officials.

 

I still believe the "leaks" that the Pegulas want to build an OP stadium are nothing more than threats to city officials.

 

We'll see... Either way, the Bills arent leaving Buffalo.

The articles mention the city because that's the trendy thing to say

 

The money issue almost makes it guaranteed it's not going downtown

 

You never hear Terry pegula talking about how he needs to build a downtown stadium .. it's all conjecture