EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[Just Jack]

13 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

I want a parking ramp with one car spot per floor, 12,000 stories high.

 

 

…honestly, you think I could get one dang thing in this life that I want.

 

Now did I park on level 9,865 or 9,866? 

[dollars 2 donuts]

16 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Now did I park on level 9,865 or 9,866? 

 

 

See, JJ gets it.

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/amphtml/ap-source-bills-proposed-stadium-232443848.html New article 

[LeGOATski]

8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If this really ends up an open air stadium in OP, I will be semi-disappointed by the bush league, short-sighted move, but not surprised at all as that is typical Buffalo MO.

 

Great to keep the tailgating and weather elements. But really missing out on a opportunity to progress the city.

A covered stadium by itself doesn't progress the city...

 

They'll be able to recoup their money easily with a new open air stadium. Look at the Seahawks, 49ers, Patriots, Titans, etc....perfectly viable open air stadiums that are multi-use. It's gonna be the same thing in Buffalo.

[beerme1]

15 hours ago, BTB said:

I understand the negotiations are done behind closed doors, but it is BS that the designs have not been released for a stadium that is going to be funded by at least 40% taxpayer money.  The stadium study was completed sometime last year.  Even if some of the bells and whistles change going forward, what is it that is so secretive as of today?

 

I don't think stadium design comes out until the funding is finalized.  

 

 

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If this really ends up an open air stadium in OP, I will be semi-disappointed by the bush league, short-sighted move, but not surprised at all as that is typical Buffalo MO.

 

Great to keep the tailgating and weather elements. But really missing out on a opportunity to progress the city.

 

Rust belt cities Cleveland and Pittsburgh say hi!

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I can't believe this thing will probably end up being $1.5 billion and there won't be a roof. It just doesn't make any sense. 

 

Location doesn't matter too much to me but I think they're going to wish they built it more north. They put a lot of money into the practice facilities so they will probably build up around it similar to the Patriots. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[ALF]

New Bills stadium reportedly will cost $1.4 billion
Posted by Mike Florio on August 12, 2021, 8:35 PM EDT

 

Via John Wawrow of the Associated Press, the stadium will cost $1.4 billion.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/12/new-bills-stadium-reportedly-will-cost-1-4-billion/

 

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — The cost of the Bills’ proposed new stadium is $1.4 billion, and is to be built across the street from their existing facility in suburban Buffalo, a person with direct knowledge of discussions told The Associated Press .

 

https://apnews.com/article/andrew-cuomo-sports-nfl-business-buffalo-bills-3a8d572aacae68a2eef5be301a3c8996?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_NFL

 

Who should pay for the new stadium poll

 

https://www.wgrz.com/vote

 

 

Edited August 13, 2021 by ALF

[Greg S]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

New Bills stadium reportedly will cost $1.4 billion
Posted by Mike Florio on August 12, 2021, 8:35 PM EDT

 

Via John Wawrow of the Associated Press, the stadium will cost $1.4 billion.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/12/new-bills-stadium-reportedly-will-cost-1-4-billion/

 

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — The cost of the Bills’ proposed new stadium is $1.4 billion, and is to be built across the street from their existing facility in suburban Buffalo, a person with direct knowledge of discussions told The Associated Press .

 

https://apnews.com/article/andrew-cuomo-sports-nfl-business-buffalo-bills-3a8d572aacae68a2eef5be301a3c8996?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_NFL

 

Who should pay for the new stadium poll

 

https://www.wgrz.com/vote

 

 

 

1.4 billion? When MetLife was built (granted it opened in 2009) it cost 1 billion and that's for two teams in the NYC market. With Josh getting big time $$$ and a new stadium on the way say hello to PSL's fees and individual ticket price increases that will go up significantly.

[DCOrange]

7 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

1.4 billion? When MetLife was built (granted it opened in 2009) it cost 1 billion and that's for two teams in the NYC market. With Josh getting big time $$$ and a new stadium on the way say hello to PSL's fees and individual ticket price increases that will go up significantly.

Costs of recent stadiums in order of when they broke ground (most recent to least recent):

 

Las Vegas Raiders: $1.9 billion

Texas Rangers: $1.1 billion

LA Rams/Chargers: $5.5 billion

Atlanta Falcons: $1.5 billion

Perth Cricket/Aussie Football: $1.0 billion

Tottenham Hotspur: $1.3 billion

Minnesota Vikings: $1.1 billion

Singapore Football Club: $1.3 billion

Brazilian Soccer Club: $0.8 billion

 

Adjusted for inflation (and removing LA because that one is such an outlier), the average stadium built since 2010 cost $1.3 billion.

[LabattBlue]

If the stadium price is really 1.4B, and it is not a dome/fixed roof,  somebody is getting ripped off...and that would be the taxpayers.  
 

Chances are the majority is getting poured into suites and club seating, that the majority of us will never utilize.   They are getting sold a bill of goods by Jerry’s company, and wait until they find out that those suites/seats will be very difficult to sell. 

[SoCal Deek]

I’ve read many on here refer to Indianapolis as their suggested model for a new Bills stadium. With the team in Detroit this evening has anyone been to Ford Field? It’s another example of a rust belt facility  but this time with a fixed roof.  

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, BTB said:

If the stadium price is really 1.4B, and it is not a dome/fixed roof,  somebody is getting ripped off...and that would be the taxpayers.  
 

Chances are the majority is getting poured into suites and club seating, that the majority of us will never utilize.   They are getting sold a bill of goods by Jerry’s company, and wait until they find out that those suites/seats will be very difficult to sell. 

 

Maybe they are hoping they get the corporate support from Toronto? The Bills should look at the Colts stadium as a model they should build. Nice stadium but not crazy expensive like LA, Dallas. I mentioned this before but Bills fans are a tailgating fanbase. Building restaurants and bars will not go over well especially at the prices they will charge. The fans would rather eat and drink in the parking lot. 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I can't believe this thing will probably end up being $1.5 billion and there won't be a roof. It just doesn't make any sense. 

 

Location doesn't matter too much to me but I think they're going to wish they built it more north. They put a lot of money into the practice facilities so they will probably build up around it similar to the Patriots. 

 

A downtown stadium is estimated to cost $900M more.  They're not spending that.

 

And I wonder how much the overhang will cost versus just putting a roof on it?  I can't imagine it would be that much more.

[BuffaloBills1998]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I can't believe this thing will probably end up being $1.5 billion and there won't be a roof. It just doesn't make any sense. 

 

Location doesn't matter too much to me but I think they're going to wish they built it more north. They put a lot of money into the practice facilities so they will probably build up around it similar to the Patriots. 

A downtown stadium would be too hard and expensive to build. You have people who already own buildings and other property down in that area and Pegula would have to not only talk to the state officials but would have to talk the owners of the property as well. Too much of a headache for a downtown stadium, plus a downtown stadium means you can kiss tailgating goodbye. The Pegulas keeping it in OP like the report said is the cheapest option and they can still keep the tailgating 

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

A downtown stadium is estimated to cost $900M more.  They're not spending that.

 

And I wonder how much the overhang will cost versus just putting a roof on it?  I can't imagine it would be that much more.

I don’t understand why everyone wants a roof?? Us getting a roof/domed stadium means it’ll effect our home field advantage. The snow blizzards are a big part of a Buffalo Bills game as opposing teams have a hard time playing in the snow and in some ways that’s when we play our strongest. Keep it an open air stadium no roof or dome. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[Chicharito]

At 1.4 billion it has to be a dome! I would like to see a retractable roof. I’m not a fan of cold weather it would be so nice to bundle up in the parking lot to tailgate then strip it all off and sit comfortable without layers of clothes. Just my opinion.

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

At 1.4 billion it has to be a dome! I would like to see a retractable roof. I’m not a fan of cold weather it would be so nice to bundle up in the parking lot to tailgate then strip it all off and sit comfortable without layers of clothes. Just my opinion.

100 bucks says it won’t be a dome. It’s going to be an open air stadium, the cold weather in some ways is a weapon of ours against our opponents. I have zero interest in a dome.  

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

1.4 billion? When MetLife was built (granted it opened in 2009) it cost 1 billion and that's for two teams in the NYC market. With Josh getting big time $$$ and a new stadium on the way say hello to PSL's fees and individual ticket price increases that will go up significantly.

Simple reason why. Inflation. Things cost more now. Two teams playing there doesn't mean much. Just have to add another locker room. 

22 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

A downtown stadium would be too hard and expensive to build. You have people who already own buildings and other property down in that area and Pegula would have to not only talk to the state officials but would have to talk the owners of the property as well. Too much of a headache for a downtown stadium, plus a downtown stadium means you can kiss tailgating goodbye. The Pegulas keeping it in OP like the report said is the cheapest option and they can still keep the tailgating 

I don’t understand why everyone wants a roof?? Us getting a roof/domed stadium means it’ll effect our home field advantage. The snow blizzards are a big part of a Buffalo Bills game as opposing teams have a hard time playing in the snow and in some ways that’s when we play our strongest. Keep it an open air stadium no roof or dome. 

How many blizzards have hit during a game besides the colts game? The wind is pretty much the only thing that causes problems and that's for both teams. 

 

Tbh I've watched us struggle more in the weather than our opponents. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, BTB said:

If the stadium price is really 1.4B, and it is not a dome/fixed roof,  somebody is getting ripped off...and that would be the taxpayers.  
 

Par for the course!

[RiotAct]

20 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 

Tbh I've watched us struggle more in the weather than our opponents. 

Eagles game a couple years ago comes to mind.

[RochesterLifer]

2 hours ago, BTB said:

If the stadium price is really 1.4B, and it is not a dome/fixed roof,  somebody is getting ripped off...and that would be the taxpayers.  

 

42 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Par for the course!

I'm intrigued as to where the knowledge, information and experience is coming from regarding these types of cynical comments. Sometimes we would do well to look in the mirror and acknowledge where we lack expertise.

[Big Turk]

Well at least a new report says the stadium will be built across the street from the old one in one of the parking lots, allowing the Bills to continuing playing here while it's under construction.

 

Never understood why they would force the team to play home games somewhere else for two years when there was such an easy solution to avoid it.

2 hours ago, BTB said:

If the stadium price is really 1.4B, and it is not a dome/fixed roof,  somebody is getting ripped off...and that would be the taxpayers.  
 

Chances are the majority is getting poured into suites and club seating, that the majority of us will never utilize.   They are getting sold a bill of goods by Jerry’s company, and wait until they find out that those suites/seats will be very difficult to sell. 

 

Maybe,maybe not. Inflation has skyrocketed since COVID and so have material and supply costs I am sure.

Edited August 13, 2021 by Big Turk

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

A downtown stadium is estimated to cost $900M more.  They're not spending that.

 

And I wonder how much the overhang will cost versus just putting a roof on it?  I can't imagine it would be that much more.

I didn't say anything about downtown. Location really isn't a big deal to me. 

 

I think they decided to build there a while ago which is why they started building up the practice facilities. 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve read many on here refer to Indianapolis as their suggested model for a new Bills stadium. With the team in Detroit this evening has anyone been to Ford Field? It’s another example of a rust belt facility  but this time with a fixed roof.  

Russ Brandon hated it.   Said it was like a warehouse.  I’d be surprised if the Pegulas prefer that model. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 

How many blizzards have hit during a game besides the colts game? The wind is pretty much the only thing that causes problems and that's for both teams. 

 

Tbh I've watched us struggle more in the weather than our opponents. 

It's not the snow. It's all the weather. Cold, wind, snow, and rain. 

 

It affects the play on the field. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I didn't say anything about downtown. Location really isn't a big deal to me. 

 

I think they decided to build there a while ago which is why they started building up the practice facilities. 

 

Unless it's DT Buffalo, moving it North (unless you meant closer to NF) doesn't make much sense when you have everything you need in OP.

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Russ Brandon hated it.   Said it was like a warehouse.  I’d be surprised if the Pegulas prefer that model. 

Maybe because one side of it is an old warehouse. 🤫

 

 

A fixed roof stadium does not have to be modeled after any one particular existing stadium. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, BTB said:

If the stadium price is really 1.4B, and it is not a dome/fixed roof,  somebody is getting ripped off...and that would be the taxpayers.  
 

Chances are the majority is getting poured into suites and club seating, that the majority of us will never utilize.   They are getting sold a bill of goods by Jerry’s company, and wait until they find out that those suites/seats will be very difficult to sell. 

I guarantee that thing is going to be ridiculous with technology and luxuries we don't need. They put a fireplace in Sabres locker room. 

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Unless it's DT Buffalo, moving it North (unless you meant closer to NF) doesn't make much sense when you have everything you need in OP.

Like I said location isn't a big deal to me. Meaning there's no reason to spend hundreds of millions more just for location. 

4 minutes ago, BTB said:

Maybe because one side of it is an old warehouse. 🤫

 

 

A fixed roof stadium does not have to be modeled after any one particular existing stadium. 

I particularly like the Colts stadium, just less brick and more glass. 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I don’t understand why everyone wants a roof?? Us getting a roof/domed stadium means it’ll effect our home field advantage. The snow blizzards are a big part of a Buffalo Bills game as opposing teams have a hard time playing in the snow and in some ways that’s when we play our strongest. Keep it an open air stadium no roof or dome. 

Show me some stats to back this up?   Why do you think the Bills have the practice dome?  This is where they go on most days with inclimate weather. 
 

There is no advantage for the Bills during snow games....none.  

Edited August 13, 2021 by BTB

[SCBills]

1.4 billion is completely reasonable, and asking for heavy funding from the state if the Pegula’s are making concessions on the type of stadium they’d like, and the location they’d prefer, also seems reasonable.  
 

Just get this done.  
 

Some of y’all are more up in arms over state tax dollars going to a stadium than the fact you’re paying $25 more per tank to fill up at a gas station.  
 

The government can play us on all kinds of regressive taxes we don’t notice.  Hence the idea to take taxes out of paychecks… so you don’t notice.  
 

Only difference here is a stadium is a shiny object that seems to stir the emotions of people who unknowingly fund all sorts of nonsense every year.  

[Not at the table Karlos]

29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's not the snow. It's all the weather. Cold, wind, snow, and rain. 

 

It affects the play on the field. 

The person I quoted said blizzards are a big part of games in buffalo. I was saying blizzards aren't. They also said it's a home field advantage to that Im saying it isn't.  I'm not arguing that it doesn't affect the play on the field I'm saying it affects both teams. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos
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[blitzboy54]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

1.4 billion is completely reasonable, and asking for heavy funding from the state if the Pegula’s are making concessions on the type of stadium they’d like, and the location they’d prefer, also seems reasonable.  
 

Just get this done.  
 

Some of y’all are more up in arms over state tax dollars going to a stadium than the fact you’re paying $25 more per tank to fill up at a gas station.  
 

The government can play us on all kinds of regressive taxes we don’t notice.  Hence the idea to take taxes out of paychecks… so you don’t notice.  
 

Only difference here is a stadium is a shiny object that seems to stir the emotions of people who unknowingly fund all sorts of nonsense every year.  

 

Gas prices are driven by supply and demand. Fuel taxes haven't changed. I'm not sure what your point is. My average tank is up $6 from last year how many gallons are you buying?

 

Billionaires can pay for their own stadiums unless they plan on sharing the profits 

Edited August 13, 2021 by blitzboy54

[SCBills]

Just now, blitzboy54 said:

 

Gas prices are driven by supply and demand. Fuel taxes haven't changed. I'm not sure what your point is. 

 

Billionaires can pay for their own stadiums unless they plan on sharing the profits 

Inflation is a regressive tax.  We can squabble on semantics, but if one was truly worried about “taxes”, they’d be far more worried about inflation, and less worried about a fixed cost stadium that has clearly marked numbers.  
 

I say this, because it would seem that most opposed to public financing are the same ones that support the current govt spending, and probably don’t question what comes out of their paychecks due to the brilliantly manipulative idea to take taxes out of your gross earnings.  
 

The stadium is just a shiny object and the Pegula’s an easy target because they’re rich.  
 

Do you want the Bills in Buffalo, or not? 
 

You unknowingly line the pockets of policy makers and CEO’s every day.  At least this one gives WNY an identity. 
 

 

[loyal2dagame]

I read somewhere that based off the taxes the Bills pay, ticket taxes,  concession taxes, and player taxes (using the NFL average salary)  for both the Bills and their opponents that are paid to NY State, that an estimated $990 million will be collected by the state over 20 years. If the numbers are correct,  i think it softens the blow of the cost.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said:

 

I'm intrigued as to where the knowledge, information and experience is coming from regarding these types of cynical comments. Sometimes we would do well to look in the mirror and acknowledge where we lack expertise.

Observations, common sense and living in New York State for 80% of my life?

1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said:

 

I'm intrigued as to where the knowledge, information and experience is coming from regarding these types of cynical comments. Sometimes we would do well to look in the mirror and acknowledge where we lack expertise.

Observations, common sense and living in New York State for 80% of my life?

[OrtonHearsaWho]

Here is a really great resource for anything Bills stadium related and also anything stadium related - 

 

https://www.fieldofschemes.com/category/nfl/buffalo-bills/

 

I was furious when the initial reports of the Pegulas wanting the stadium 100% funded by the public & would be furious if it ends up being anything worse than a 50/50 split.  The community benefit (as described in tremendous detail throughout the above link) is always vastly overstated and the Pegulas would clearly benefit the most.   They own the team so that's not unreasonable but to take advantage of the team's success to bend over the WNY taxpayers is obscene particularly if the price tag is the insanely outrageous $1.5 billion and very particularly if it is an open air stadium, and yes even MORE particularly if it has to include upgrades for anything related to the dumpster fire Sabres.

 

To the point of open air vs. dome and the whole idea of home field weather advantage...what on earth are you all talking about?  We're good now but where was that advantage for almost 20 years?  Also, do you really even want the chance of weather causing havoc or maybe even being a deciding factor in a home playoff game?  I've seen the Colts game cited as an example but just look at the Ravens game last year.  No blizzard but the wind definitely hamstrung the offense.  I'd rather eliminate that altogether.  Also discounting the Colts game as an aberration is a bit weird because I'm not sure if you've noticed but Buffalo can get some pretty spectacular winter weather.  It could easily happen again.

 

I don't see the team moving but I also think that its naive to think it is 100% out of the realm of possibilities.  Yeah the Pegulas kept the team in Buffalo but if you think they care or that the NFL cares about anything other than $$$, you're delusional - both have demonstrated that.  Some have said that Austin wouldn't make sense...why not?  It's a much bigger city that's growing exponentially and could easily support an NFL team.

 

 

[RochesterLifer]

8 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Observations, common sense and living in New York State for 80% of my life?

Observations, common sense and living in New York State for 80% of my life?

I can see where that would supersede the knowledge of those doing the planning, engineering and budgeting of a stadium build coinciding with a stadium teardown. I mean, it's not much more than putting a new she-shed in your backyard, right?

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

1.4 billion is completely reasonable, and asking for heavy funding from the state if the Pegula’s are making concessions on the type of stadium they’d like, and the location they’d prefer, also seems reasonable.  

 

I still can't fathom $1.4B for a clone of Highmark stadium, on land you don't have to pay to acquire.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Unless it's DT Buffalo, moving it North (unless you meant closer to NF) doesn't make much sense when you have everything you need in OP.

 

I mean, the "state of the art" training facilities and field house could significantly reduce costs... Not having to rebuild them.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I still can't fathom $1.4B for a clone of Highmark stadium, on land you don't have to pay to acquire.

It clearly wouldn’t be a clone, and I am definitely on the side of having a roof stadium, but if MB Stadium in ATL costs 1.5 billion, that place is now costing 2+ billion in this current economy, and more for us given the need to build a roof designed for potential heavy snow. 
 

Half this board is freaking out over 1.4 billion… can’t imagine an ask for 2.4 billion. 

[LabattBlue]

44 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I mean, the "state of the art" training facilities and field house could significantly reduce costs... Not having to rebuild them.

Just my 2 cents, but the training and practice facilities were not going anywhere regardless of where a new stadium was built in WNY.