LeSean McCoy Remembering his Buffalo Days

[Bill from NYC]

13 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

McCoy is a footnote. Huge paycheck, minor irritations, 1 trick pony running style, ineffective blocker, on the way down. 

Not even as effective as Riddick, Davis, Lynch, McGahee, Spiller, Gore, Henry in his time here. 

A total waste of money which should gave been spent on important positions. 

IMHO.🤔

 

I was somewhat with you until after the first paragraph. 

Not as good as Spiller? 

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[beerme1]

8 hours ago, Utah John said:

Shady's departure was handled very well by the Bills.  They showed him great respect by cutting him and letting him go to a team that could use him effectively, at a lower cost than his contract with us called for, because he just wasn't as good as he had been by that time.  The alternative was to trade him for a bag of old footballs, because no other team was going to give up much for him at his contract price.  Trading Shady for a seventh or something similar would have stained his reputation.

 

The players around the league see how different teams treat their players.  The Bills knew they couldn't afford to pay Jordan Phillips after his big year in Buffalo, and they let him and Shaq Lawson go sign big contracts elsewhere.  Both of them probably love the cash they're getting but also wish they were still playing here.

 

It's a big deal to NFL players to know a team will treat them with respect.  I can't think of any Bills player in the last few years where contract or injury concerns left a bad taste in their mouths.  Every cut they've ever made was an obviously reasonable move -- John Brown comes to mind.  Everyone knew he wasn't playing to the value of his current contract.  The Bills released him and he moved on where he wanted to go.  

 

What goes around comes around.  Buffalo is now viewed as a desirable place for FAs.  Cutting Shady was an investment in reputation for the team.  It's paying off.

 

 

Hey, I'm not sure about your memory.

 

I seem to recall a very bitter Shady saying things like they should have cut him sooner to allow him more teams to sign on with.

In fact I'm pretty sure he went public against McBeane saying they gave him a vote of confidence a month earlier and he felt it was dirty being released when he was.

 

To be honest, if my memory is correct he approached them and asked if he was going to be cut and received the vote of confidence which in my eyes, truly would give him reason to be pissed off with them deciding a month later to cut him.

 

He made out alright though but I'm willing to bet Shady would say something about Andy Reid similar to Leveon Bell.

And yet, I'll say I would take his side in being pissed off with McBeane for all of this if it happened as I've laid out. By the way, my memory is shot lol but I think I git this.

 

It's a business and McBeane did what they felt was best for the Buffalo Bills so I would never hold that against them and despite that little stain, I believe McBeane are very highly regarded in the league and by the players. Pegula's too for good measure. And why not? 

McBeane has a golden touch around here and personally, I'm ecstatic with them. Regardless, I enjoyed shady. He brought it when he played. 

He has some character issues though but it never really was an issue here other than the Philly bar cop issue. The girlfriend thing at the house? I don't know whatever came from that but that was notable. Good player did some nice things for us. No saint though.

[Nelius]

Shady was definitely one of the first to openly praise Josh at any chance, at a time when most in the media were doubtful. He was such an awesome teammate. He might have been a little loose with his comments and twitter at times but all of the nonsense about him being a diva, or locker room cancer, or whatever have been proven false again and again.

 

He seemed legitimately greatful for the chance in Buffalo back then and he still does. The statistical nosedive post-Buffalo is a shame. Had he put one or two more solid years together he'd be a likely HOF. 

[machine gun kelly]

McCoy grew on me,but I don’t know about a great guy.  Great guys don’t throw parties in Philly where he did that contract thing.

 

As a player, sure until his last year. He was slipping.

[Niagara Bill]

10 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I was somewhat with you until after the first paragraph. 

Not as good as Spiller? 

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Ok, maybe better than Spiller, but not by much. He was a great self promoter, many fans enjoyed his style, his talent, his fame from Philly, BUT, his backwards style of running away from contact often hurt a struggling team as much as his talent helped. He could no longer carry a team by the time he came to the Bills

[Playoffs?]

23 hours ago, H2o said:

We need a running back who can do this right now!

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Ok, maybe better than Spiller, but not by much. He was a great self promoter, many fans enjoyed his style, his talent, his fame from Philly, BUT, his backwards style of running away from contact often hurt a struggling team as much as his talent helped. He could no longer carry a team by the time he came to the Bills

I respectfully disagree, and think he almost single handedly carried our team to the playoffs. 

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Playoffs? said:

We need a running back who can do this right now!

If we had 2016 Shady McCoy this year then we'd hoist a Lombardi. 

[Doc]

He was a great player for the first 3 years (102 YPG) and a great teammate.  He was a high-profile player who brought some legitimacy to the Bills despite Rex Ryan and their record.  He had some run-ins with the law but they proved to be nothing.  I wish we could find a player like him from the beginning of his career.

[Victory Formation]

Shady in his prime would put this team over the top. Probably win 2-3 Super Bowls over the next 4-5 years if that were the case.

[Solomon Grundy]

5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Shady in his prime would put this team over the top. Probably win 2-3 Super Bowls over the next 4-5 years if that were the case.

Big Shady McCoy fan over here. Any type of competent QB play with him would've put Bills in SB discussions earlier

[Niagara Bill]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:19 AM, H2o said:

I could find similar runs by Davis, Riddick,  McGahee, Lynch, Spiller. 

He had moments no doubt, An NFL rb should do this from time to time. Still say he was OK, but we could have spent the money more wisely. 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:19 AM, H2o said:

 

 

Quick, give this guy a $40M deal 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I think of him every time I pick up a loaf of bread

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

42 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

I could find similar runs by Davis, Riddick,  McGahee, Lynch, Spiller. 

He had moments no doubt, An NFL rb should do this from time to time. Still say he was OK, but we could have spent the money more wisely. 

6th all time Bills in rushing yards… surprising in under 4 seasons. 

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

I could find similar runs by Davis, Riddick,  McGahee, Lynch, Spiller. 

He had moments no doubt, An NFL rb should do this from time to time. Still say he was OK, but we could have spent the money more wisely. 

 

 

Oh hell.......you can find similar runs from Mike Gillislee and Karlos Williams in that offense.

 

That offense was VERY RB friendly........like the current Baltimore offense.

 

People remember some of Karlos big runs but also MG had runs of 44, 50 and 60 in 2015 and 2016.

 

McCoy left hundred of yards on the field in his first season in Buffalo by refusing to follow the dance steps of Roman's inside zone rushing attack..........he admitted as much and bought into the gameplan in 2016.....and even though he was physically diminished from the 300 carry guy he had been in Philly by that point he had a GREAT season..........but so did whoever filled in for him.

 

McCoy was mostly a celebrity in Buffalo.   They got some nice performances out of him and once he got his act together he was a solid teammate but Roman's offense was going to produce big time anyway and once McDermott got there McCoy was washed up.    That was ultimately an astonishing amount of money to waste on a RB to get one excellent season out of 4.

[billsfan89]

Shady had three good years with the Bills (2015-2017) and then one not so good one (2018) before he was cut. He was at age 30 coming off of a down year while on a big contract. It made sense for the Bills to cut him and I am glad he spent the past two seasons chasing rings. Although he wasn't much of a factor in Tampa this past season (at least not on the field) he was at least a solid role player in KC in 2019 before he was inactive during their playoff run. 

 

I have to think he will make the Hall of Fame right? He has six 1,000 yard seasons, six Pro-Bowls, two First Team All-Pros, 11k career rushing yards, just under 4k career receiving yards, was named to the 2010's all decade team and two rings as a role/bench player. Had great seasons in Philly and some very good ones in Buffalo. Hard to argue he hasn't had a Hall of Fame worth career right?

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Shady in his prime would put this team over the top. Probably win 2-3 Super Bowls over the next 4-5 years if that were the case.

 

 

Yes, 2010-2013 Shady was tremendous.......but it's not even a partially RB driven league.........teams that win SB's now do it with inexpensive RB-by-committee approaches.

 

No matter how good your RB is he is not going to average near 8 yards per attempt that you can expect from a QB like Josh Allen.

 

When Shady's decline started in 2014 the Eagles fed him the ball like crazy on the ground and in the air.........and he ended up leading the NFL in LEAST yards per touch(6.3).

 

The diminished Buffalo version of McCoy struggled in outside zone.........which is what Daboll wants to run...........it re-awoke Shady's bad habit of 2014/2015 of trying outrun the defense to the edge in a league where LB's were getting smaller and faster.

 

It absolutely, positively is a passing league and a strong focus on RB play isn't the way to get it done.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Quick, give this guy a $40M deal 

McCoy ran 75 yards in the time it took Singletary to run 50 

[Let's Go Buffalo]

What a fun running back to watch. Without Shady, we don't end our 17 year playoff drought. My favorite game of his that year was the week 14 snow game vs. the Colts. Without that win in 2017, we don't make the playoffs!

[BobbyC81]

On 6/18/2021 at 6:17 AM, John from Riverside said:

Do you ever get tired of making these bull#### posts

Feeding the trolls only makes them stronger.

[todd]

On 6/18/2021 at 9:21 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Actually,  the Bills bought into getting Shady to buy into Buffalo.

 

Tearing up his existing Philadelphia deal and adding like $25M in guaranteed money.

 

And then...........in a move I've never seen before or since..........McBeane gave him a $2M bonus in the summer of 2017 to buy his loyalty.

 

In return Buffalo got a disappointing first season...........an excellent season in an offense that inflated rushing stats...........and then a well below league average ypc performance in 2017.    Not even going to go into 2018.     

 

So they paid an average of well over $10M per year for one exceptional season.

 

One can't criticize Whaley and his handling of the salary cap and say that McCoy was a good acquisition without being utterly hypocritical.

 

I can see your point. At the same time, you can criticize Whaley and like what McCoy did at the same time. It's not his fault whaley was a moron. He still balled out, and even the years that weren't as statistically good (except for the last - he was done), he was still a player to raised the level of players around him, especially when the team was lacking talent - which is the fault of Whaley.

[billsfan_34]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:11 AM, prissythecat said:

 

I can’t believe the lack of respect on this board for Shady.

Anyone who watched Shady play live in his first few years with the Bills knows he was a damn fine back! 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, todd said:

 

I can see your point. At the same time, you can criticize Whaley and like what McCoy did at the same time. It's not his fault whaley was a moron. He still balled out, and even the years that weren't as statistically good (except for the last - he was done), he was still a player to raised the level of players around him, especially when the team was lacking talent - which is the fault of Whaley.

 

The 2015 and 2016 Bills teams had A LOT of talent.

 

They didn't have a franchise QB.........but that's about all they didn't have on either side of the ball..........they were massive underachievers and McCoy did his share to make that so........especially in 2015 when his head wasn't into being a Buffalo Bill.    Who could forget him falling flat on his face against his nemesis Chip Kelly in a game the Bills should absolutely have won.    There was no excuse for that team missing the playoffs either season. 

 

The 2017 offense was diminished by trading Watkins and not retaining Woods.........but McCoy wasn't raising the level of the offense.........their offense went from one of the better ones in the league to one of the very worst.   They won in spite of the offense.    

[prissythecat]

On 6/18/2021 at 2:07 PM, Rock'em Sock'em said:

That's not McCoy.  I read it here that McCoy was less effective than Gore.

haha. Not only that. McCoy was less effective than DeMarco Murray after he left Dallas and Ryan Matthews who carried the ball maybe  5 times  and Mike Gillislee who spent a lot of time on the bench.

[Brennan Huff]

On 6/18/2021 at 6:58 AM, Niagara Bill said:

McCoy is a footnote. Huge paycheck, minor irritations, 1 trick pony running style, ineffective blocker, on the way down. 

Not even as effective as Riddick, Davis, Lynch, McGahee, Spiller, Gore, Henry in his time here. 

A total waste of money which should gave been spent on important positions. 

IMHO.🤔

 

This might be the worst take I’ve seen on this board. And that is very impressive 

[YoloinOhio]

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[T master]

Got to love you some Shady McCoy this si my best memory of him i just loved this game he always ran good in snow games but the Snovertime Game he was epic !!

 

Well they won't let me post it i guess but go to youtube and watch Shady's game winner against the colts in the Snovertime Game at the Ralph !! 

 

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

Seriously... This almost bums me out a little cause I can only imagine how dynamic and super scary this offense would be with a 26 year old Shady on our team. Our offense would be so good we could do anything we wanted to, when we wanted or needed to. I was in my early 20's during the bills hay day... it also makes me think how good our offense was those years with a Thurman Thomas. 

 

Many will not agree but having a strong RB on the team would make this team so much better.. Having a strong RB is not about running more folks... Its about having that threat to be able to run and then on weather days have the ability to crap it down peoples throats... convincingly. 

 

In all seriousness hoping Josh brings it to another level is not my first/priority hope. My main hope is that one of these RB's we have now figures it out and we have the proper scheme to block for them... That's my #1 hope going into this year.

On 6/18/2021 at 6:58 AM, Niagara Bill said:

McCoy is a footnote. Huge paycheck, minor irritations, 1 trick pony running style, ineffective blocker, on the way down. 

Not even as effective as Riddick, Davis, Lynch, McGahee, Spiller, Gore, Henry in his time here. 

A total waste of money which should gave been spent on important positions. 

IMHO.🤔

 

We have a new sarcastic/troll post of the year folks.. right here.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:13 PM, Niagara Bill said:

Ok seriously, what did this guy do that Lynch, Riddick, Davis didn't do as well or better. Shady had a rep coming here, he was good but not transcending. Maybe won 3 games we would have lost with another back. Take him out and replace with many if the names I suggested....same or better outcome. 

He was a cult hero when we needed hope...but seriously,  was he that good.

 

Lynch wasn't that great in Buffalo. He was being out-performed by Fred Jackson. When he went Seattle is when he became elite. I'd much rather have the Buffalo version of McCoy than than the Buffalo version of Lynch. 

 

And Buffalo was continuously a top 5 rushing team every year with McCoy. Yeah, put in Devin Singletary and I'm pretty sure you won't get those same results. 

[Rico]

When I think of Shady McCoy, I think Philadelphia Eagles. He was a good player for the Bills but his time here is pretty much an after-thought to me.

[Niagara Bill]

5 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Seriously... This almost bums me out a little cause I can only imagine how dynamic and super scary this offense would be with a 26 year old Shady on our team. Our offense would be so good we could do anything we wanted to, when we wanted or needed to. I was in my early 20's during the bills hay day... it also makes me think how good our offense was those years with a Thurman Thomas. 

 

Many will not agree but having a strong RB on the team would make this team so much better.. Having a strong RB is not about running more folks... Its about having that threat to be able to run and then on weather days have the ability to crap it down peoples throats... convincingly. 

 

In all seriousness hoping Josh brings it to another level is not my first/priority hope. My main hope is that one of these RB's we have now figures it out and we have the proper scheme to block for them... That's my #1 hope going into this year.

We have a new sarcastic/troll post of the year folks.. right here.

Maybe you are right maybe you are wrong, but east west running backs like Shady and Barry Sanders types always have people who live them, but they seldom win consistently. 

Just saying, while Shady brought excitement, hope and cheers, in the end when you needed to run the ball north south in Nov Dec, ....

He propped us up, but that did nothing to help us sniff a SB.

If you enjoy being average with a hope, get Shady, if you want to win...stay away from east west runners.

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Maybe you are right maybe you are wrong, but east west running backs like Shady and Barry Sanders types always have people who live them, but they seldom win consistently. 

Just saying, while Shady brought excitement, hope and cheers, in the end when you needed to run the ball north south in Nov Dec, ....

He propped us up, but that did nothing to help us sniff a SB.

If you enjoy being average with a hope, get Shady, if you want to win...stay away from east west runners.

that's the stupidest thing I ever heard in bolded. We did not take runs with what we had at RB... We did not take runs because of who was QB... Just stupid talk right here... Saying you cant win a SB  with Allen + McCoy or Allen + Sanders is the dumbest thing anyone would agree to on these forums.

 

We did not get to a SB not because who was at HB... but who was at QB.. PERIOD.\

 

In my post above I made it very clear that with a Josh Allen and McCoy we would no doubt make a SB run and your trying to say no?

 

come on man...

[billsfanmiamioh]

9 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Maybe you are right maybe you are wrong, but east west running backs like Shady and Barry Sanders types always have people who live them, but they seldom win consistently. 

Just saying, while Shady brought excitement, hope and cheers, in the end when you needed to run the ball north south in Nov Dec, ....

He propped us up, but that did nothing to help us sniff a SB.

If you enjoy being average with a hope, get Shady, if you want to win...stay away from east west runners.

Yeah shady was horrible in the snow during his career…..

[Niagara Bill]

Why does everyone want Shady to be a messiah. 

"We would win if we had Shady with Josh". Seriously...why not say Thurman, or Lynch (who did win), or Fred, etc.

IMHO, Shady was good, not great. an East west runner who for some reason got dumped in Philly (hmmmm, this future HoF runner....they saw his limitations). 

He propped up the Bills fans and hope....and we bought it, 

When we brought him here it was to placate fans not to win...

 

If Ertz move is to be believed that is a piece to go to SB, like Diggs is. 

Nice to see Shady, but I want a fifth chance at a SB.

[prissythecat]

57 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Why does everyone want Shady to be a messiah. 

"We would win if we had Shady with Josh". Seriously...why not say Thurman, or Lynch (who did win), or Fred, etc.

IMHO, Shady was good, not great. an East west runner who for some reason got dumped in Philly (hmmmm, this future HoF runner....they saw his limitations). 

He propped up the Bills fans and hope....and we bought it, 

When we brought him here it was to placate fans not to win...

 

If Ertz move is to be believed that is a piece to go to SB, like Diggs is. 

Nice to see Shady, but I want a fifth chance at a SB.

 

 

 

Shady was traded for Kiko by Chip Kelly because he had a hard on for any former Oregon player regardless of NFL ability.  Had nothing to do with Shady's perceived limitations.       There is a reason why Chip Kelly is now out of NFL...

 

 

Edited July 2, 2021 by prissythecat
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[Niagara Bill]

2 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

 

Shady was traded for Kiko by Chip Kelly because he had a hard on for any former Oregon player regardless of NFL ability.  Had nothing to do with Shady's perceived limitations.       There is a reason why Chip Kelly is now out of NFL...

 

 

Maybe true, maybe not....it was a good deal fir Bills, but Shady is still Shady...EW runner, looks great but is only decent in a winning system. IMHO

On 6/18/2021 at 7:57 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

I loved watching McCoy play.  I didn't like the move at first or like him in general.....but he kinda grew on me once he started scoring TD's and wearing a Bills uniform.

He was certainly fun to watch.

You are very right, fun, hopeful, a reason the cheer, good player,  sold jerseys...on a team that needed a reason to keep you cheering. But alas, few wins. He can only get you so far.

[PrimeTime101]

11 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Maybe true, maybe not....it was a good deal fir Bills, but Shady is still Shady...EW runner, looks great but is only decent in a winning system. IMHO

You are very right, fun, hopeful, a reason the cheer, good player,  sold jerseys...on a team that needed a reason to keep you cheering. But alas, few wins. He can only get you so far.

you act like he was the QB of the team.. HE wasn't he was a HB. This is a QB driven league but teams need decent HB's also. Teams with Elite QB's and HB's become very special to watch. You also act like its all on McCoy and McCoy was the reason that we did not make it to the SB. That's just nonsense.

13 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Maybe true, maybe not....it was a good deal fir Bills, but Shady is still Shady...EW runner, looks great but is only decent in a winning system. IMHO

and you even said it right here.... McCoy was not in a winning system with a winning QB. Put McCoy and that kind of run threat on this team? yea... huge.

[Solomon Grundy]

Why do Niagara Bill keep calling Shady, Barry East/West runners? I would think the goal of any RB is to score a TD and/or gain yards. If I remember correctly, Barry/Shady didn't run behind the greatest offensive lines, a la Emmitt Smith. They had to use their God given talents to make it work. Had they had a decent line like Thurman, TD, etc. I'm sure Emmitt wouldn't have the rushing title and Shady would be higher on that list. That run shown earlier against Jacksonville says it all. 

Edited July 2, 2021 by Solomon Grundy

[Pasaluki]

Shady increased the "cool" factor of the team. Really fun player to have had.

[Niagara Bill]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:11 AM, prissythecat said:

 

I can’t believe the lack of respect on this board for Shady.

Who said I didn't respect Shady, I just thought other backs would be better and east west runners never win.

There are people on this board who debated Johnson and Flutie. Then there those who said, doesn't matter, cannot win SB with either. Doesn't mean we didn't respect them.