Bermuda Triangle Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The browns had the furthest to go on defense which is why they had to bring in all those guys in the secondary. No one knows if their defense will improve enough to beat the Ravens which is their biggest hurdle. Until they upgrade at QB, or he develops further (already 26 and never had elite traits pointing to a higher ceiling) they will be left behind in the big games. I think the Browns will have a tough time with the Bengals, too. Barely beat them last year, in Burrow's rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The Browns were in year 1 of their makeover last season. Their injury situation was ridiculous. In the Steelers playoff game an offensive lineman that had joined the team THAT DAY played meaningful snaps. In addition to getting healthy the Browns have improved their team tremendously this offseason in both free agency and the draft. Every level of the defense was addressed with the back seven getting a near full makeover. Do not expect to see anything close to the same defense as last season. A lot of Bills fans are not giving Mayfield the credit he is due. For the first time in the NFL he gets to stay in the same offense for a second straight season. He learned the current system on the fly last season because of the elimination of most of the offseason. He looked terrible for half a season, then after the bye he rated as the second best QB the rest of the way. I don’t think I’m underestimating Baker. He is a good QB at times. But he has never shown that he is anywhere near the QB or leader that Allen was last year. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong and the Browns will actually live up to their supposed talent level this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The Browns were in year 1 of their makeover last season. Their injury situation was ridiculous. In the Steelers playoff game an offensive lineman that had joined the team THAT DAY played meaningful snaps. In addition to getting healthy the Browns have improved their team tremendously this offseason in both free agency and the draft. Every level of the defense was addressed with the back seven getting a near full makeover. Do not expect to see anything close to the same defense as last season. A lot of Bills fans are not giving Mayfield the credit he is due. For the first time in the NFL he gets to stay in the same offense for a second straight season. He learned the current system on the fly last season because of the elimination of most of the offseason. He looked terrible for half a season, then after the bye he rated as the second best QB the rest of the way. Baker is good. Anyone who says otherwise is hating at this point. I don’t see elite in him though. I don’t think he could do what Josh Allen did against Indy in the WC Game. Baker plays well within the offense. Allen, Mahomes, Watson, Rodgers elevate the offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Lets see who wins the AFC Divisions first. On an unrelated note: What is the obsession of having to rank everything, everywhere, all the time? I just don't get it. I'm old I guess. Bills fans rank high in ranking teams. At least according to the latest rankings of rankers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Bills fans rank high in ranking teams. At least according to the latest rankings of rankers. LOL, I'm just an old man yelling at clouds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I knew not re-signing Bojo would doom us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I feared a turnaround for the Browns when they hired Stefanski and got Baker into that offense. Luckily, the NFC North is so stacked that even if they win the division they'll pry be injury plagued by the time the playoffs come around. Patriots always benefited from a banged up Steelers or Ravens team over the years come playoff time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Honestly the AFC is a dogfight. It's not at all unlikely that we don't make it as far as we did last year, but we have a great shot. CB injuries would be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, chknwing334 said: I don’t think I’m underestimating Baker. He is a good QB at times. But he has never shown that he is anywhere near the QB or leader that Allen was last year. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong and the Browns will actually live up to their supposed talent level this season. I think that if the run game is stuck in mud, the Browns are done. Hell, Mayfield couldn't beat the Jets last year in Week 16, with the game on his arm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL, I'm just an old man yelling at clouds. You have plenty of company! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, chknwing334 said: The Browns have been “the best team on paper” for years now. Putting together a roster of names isn’t that difficult. Putting together a team of winners is. The Browns went 11-5 last year and made it to the Divisional Round of the playoffs. Does that qualify as winning? 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Outside of defensive line and RBs, how do you come to the conclusion that the Browns roster is superior to ours? The Bills have a better QB, Allen is elite and can win a game on his own when he has to. The Bills have a better WR corps, and better secondary. The Brown have a better O-line (the best in football last year), a better D-Line with Miles Garrett, an elite running game with Chubb and Hunt, and a better TE room. The Browns also have a new head coach who knows what he is doing and has revamped the offense to get the best out of Baker Mayfield who has become a capable game manger on a run first team. I don't think there is as much space between these two teams as you think there is. 22 minutes ago, ganesh said: The one major road block for the Browns is the division they play. The games in that division are a hell lot more competitive. Cincinnati isn't close to being in the conversation yet. The Browns backups beat the Steelers late in the season and as long as the Steelers still have Roethlisberger who has hit the wall and is declining rapidly, the Browns will continue to pull away from Pittsburgh. The Brown lost both games to the Ravens and that is where the fight is going to be to win the division. I think the league is starting to catch up with Lamar Jackson though and the Ravens are going to have a tougher time going forward. I think it likely the Browns split with the Ravens and sweep Pittsburgh and Cincy and go 5-1 in their division next year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I just think styles makes fights. For example Chiefs handled the Bills pretty handily last season but the Raiders beat the chiefs last year and the 2nd game came down to the wire. Raiders also beat the Browns. At the same time we beat the Raiders easily last year. So while Cleveland may match up well vs KC until shown otherwise they still struggle within there own division so I am not quite sure despite the upgrades they have made how you would make them 2nd best in the conference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Browns went 11-5 last year and made it to the Divisional Round of the playoffs. Does that qualify as winning? The Bills have a better QB, Allen is elite and can win a game on his own when he has to. The Bills have a better WR corps, and better secondary. The Brown have a better O-line (the best in football last year), a better D-Line with Miles Garrett, an elite running game with Chubb and Hunt, and a better TE room. The Browns also have a new head coach who knows what he is doing and has revamped the offense to get the best out of Baker Mayfield who has become a capable game manger on a run first team. I don't think there is as much space between these two teams as you think there is. Cincinnati isn't close to being in the conversation yet. The Browns backups beat the Steelers late in the season and as long as the Steelers still have Roethlisberger who has hit the wall and is declining rapidly, the Browns will continue to pull away from Pittsburgh. The Brown lost both games to the Ravens and that is where the fight is going to be to win the division. I think the league is starting to catch up with Lamar Jackson though and the Ravens are going to have a tougher time going forward. I think it likely the Browns split with the Ravens and sweep Pittsburgh and Cincy and go 5-1 in their division next year. I don’t think I’m underestimating the Browns. They have a nice squad. The Bills are elite. There’s no need to pretend otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Folk keep sayin the browns this the browns that, lots of talent, but... KC is good, and really no better than they were before their O line came apart and had to rebuild it, zero sum gain in all reality, The Bills maintained their High octane offense, and brought in talent to up the O & D lines, and brought in a burner WR kick returner amongst others, so at worst it’s status quo, at best, no one is scared of KC anymore, lots of fear talk going on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: Cincinnati isn't close to being in the conversation yet. The Browns backups beat the Steelers late in the season and as long as the Steelers still have Roethlisberger who has hit the wall and is declining rapidly, the Browns will continue to pull away from Pittsburgh. The Brown lost both games to the Ravens and that is where the fight is going to be to win the division. I think the league is starting to catch up with Lamar Jackson though and the Ravens are going to have a tougher time going forward. I think it likely the Browns split with the Ravens and sweep Pittsburgh and Cincy and go 5-1 in their division next year. The Browns barely beat the Bengals last season in their 2nd matchup, after Burrow had a few games under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Again with the Browns s***?!! Every f****** offseason we have to hear about the f****** Browns! The Bills are the better squad... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Browns went 11-5 last year and made it to the Divisional Round of the playoffs. Does that qualify as winning? 11 wins isn’t going to get them to #2 in the AFC as you are stating. The Browns have a good looking roster. I don’t agree that the “on paper” Browns are as good as the “on the field” Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Just now, Bermuda Triangle said: The Browns barely beat the Bengals last season in their 2nd matchup, after Burrow had a few games under his belt. We barely beat the Colts and the Ravens in the playoffs last year, but we still beat them. The Browns are more talented top to bottom than the Bengals are (Let's see how Burrow comes back after this injury). I'm a big Burrow fan and think he can be the real deal and way better than Mayfield but worry he is going to get Darnold-ed by Cincy. Passing on Sewell to draft a WR is a typical Jets/Cincy kind of move when the Bengals O-line is atrocious. How putting a solid O-line in front of Burrow wasn't priority #1 , #2, #3 this off season for Cincy is beyond me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Until Allen can match Baker's dedication by living at the stadium, this is the way it's going to be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I think the Bills are still ahead of the Browns but that gap has closed, 100%. They are the top 3 teams in the AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 We have Allen. That's where we stop the conversation 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said: We barely beat the Colts and the Ravens in the playoffs last year, but we still beat them. The Browns are more talented top to bottom than the Bengals are (Let's see how Burrow comes back after this injury). I'm a big Burrow fan and think he can be the real deal and way better than Mayfield but worry he is going to get Darnold-ed by Cincy. Passing on Sewell to draft a WR is a typical Jets/Cincy kind of move when the Bengals O-line is atrocious. How putting a solid O-line in front of Burrow wasn't priority #1 , #2, #3 this off season for Cincy is beyond me... Yeah, I don't think barely beating the reigning worst team in the NFL (with a rookie QB) with a last-minute TD is anywhere near winning a close game in the WC round or winning a game by 2 scores in the divisional round. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: We barely beat the Colts and the Ravens in the playoffs last year, but we still beat them. The Browns are more talented top to bottom than the Bengals are (Let's see how Burrow comes back after this injury). I'm a big Burrow fan and think he can be the real deal and way better than Mayfield but worry he is going to get Darnold-ed by Cincy. Passing on Sewell to draft a WR is a typical Jets/Cincy kind of move when the Bengals O-line is atrocious. How putting a solid O-line in front of Burrow wasn't priority #1 , #2, #3 this off season for Cincy is beyond me... Agree with you on Cincy. Stupid, stupid, stupid move from a typically stupid franchise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: We have Allen. That's where we stop the conversation The Packers have Rodgers and lost to a team with a strong running game, strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Championship game. The Chiefs have Mahomes and lost to a team with a strong running game , strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, but it's not just about the QB. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Pbomb said: Mahomes missed most of the playoff game and the browns still couldn’t beat them Did you watch the AFCCG? To be fair, the chiefs would have smoked us even with Henne playing the entire game. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Packers have Rodgers and lost to a team with a strong running game, strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Championship game. The Chiefs have Mahomes and lost to a team with a strong running game , strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, but it's not just about the QB. Really, replace Brady with Baker Mayfield and do the Bucs beat the Packers or Chiefs? I'm thinking no! So, yeah it is about the QB, and ours is alot better than theirs! Edited May 2, 2021 by Big Gun 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 The Browns had a really nice draft. I think most folks on the board would be pretty happy if the Bills had gotten the players the Browns got in the first three rounds. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 So give me -110 the Browns end up w a better record than us also +250 they miss the playoffs lmk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) I don't think andy reid worries about much. he prepares for whatever team he faces and I doubt he looks at either the bills or browns as one or the other being more of a threat. I also don't see the browns being the "leap frog" team jumping ahead of the bills. nope, don't see it. what I do see is the buffalo bills did some good work in fa/draft to improve what was already a pretty solid contender, not only for the cheifs but the afc over all. a bills team that will pick up where they left off, winning likely 14 games (17 game season now so one win better then last season) afce champs and again in the afcc game only this time they will manage to beat, either the chiefs or any afc team who makes it. then on to the sb and the lombardi. no, andy wont be worrying anymore than the bills or this bills fan will be worrying about the "leap frogging" browns... Edited May 2, 2021 by A Firm Tree Does Not Fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Tough to disagree with the post & very well thought out. I think Cleveland (at least on paper) improved more than we improved but I still think our offseason has been a success considering I didn't think we would re-sign Milano and Williams. I still think Buffalo is the better team but definitely think that Cleveland closed the gap. Not taking possible injuries into consideration I would say that if they don't win that division then it was a disappointing season. Same for Buffalo but that's obvious 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 The Browns are certainly a good team, but they re-vamped their offensive approach last year for a reason. They know Baker has limitations. The Browns ran the ball 48.4% of snaps in 2020 for a reason...They have to stay balanced because their QB is not elite. And they have the talent at RB and O-Line to run it well... While that did allow them to be very competitive when it worked, the problem was when it didn't...Like the Jets game...They were bad on Offense because the Jets shut down the run (45 yards total, a 2.5 yards per carry average). This is the way NFL Defenses will approach the Brown Offense in 2021, they will make Baker beat them, so it will be up to Baker to raise his game... I don't care what they did on paper so far. If Mayfield cannot raise his game to the next level the Browns will have issues winning their own Division (they lost twice to Balt, went 2-1 vs Pittsburgh but got beat up in the loss early on when the Steelers were healthier, and beat Cincy by a total of 8 points in 2 games), let alone being the #2 team in the AFC... We'll see I guess... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrul120 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Packers have Rodgers and lost to a team with a strong running game, strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Championship game. The Chiefs have Mahomes and lost to a team with a strong running game , strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, but it's not just about the QB. Brady had 4600 yards and 40 TDs. Game manager lol come on now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Packers have Rodgers and lost to a team with a strong running game, strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Championship game. The Chiefs have Mahomes and lost to a team with a strong running game , strong defense, and a game manager QB in the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, but it's not just about the QB. It’s not, but are you asking us to compare Baker Mayfield to Tom Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 minute ago, billsrul120 said: Brady had 4600 yards and 40 TDs. Game manager lol come on now This guy has got to be trolling. Brady had second most attempts and 3rd most yards last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I don’t necessarily buy the idea the “Bills didn’t get better” for one the pass rush adds two high draft picks and only lost Trent Murphy a non factor and Jefferson a solid rotational player they replaced with that DE from Carolina who might be a slight upgrade. They also replaced Roberts and Ty in the draft retaining depth along with replacing Brain Winters and John Brown with comparable players. Overall I see the additions to the pass rush being a bigger deal than many here think. Although this is speculation I do think the front office is still in on Ertz who could be a nice add. Still even if they don’t make a final move I think the roster is slightly better than the 2020 roster. Nothing ground breaking but returning a 13-3 team with great depth and some improvement in the pass rush is a team I would take a chance with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Bills of Boston said: Mahomes also went out pretty early that game. Obv Browns are a very good team and a real threat etc This the chiefs were cruising in that game until mahomes got injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: So give me -110 the Browns end up w a better record than us also +250 they miss the playoffs lmk I don't think the Browns will have a better record than the Bills, but I also don't think the Browns will miss the playoffs. EDIT: I do think the Browns have leapfrogged the Ravens. Edited May 2, 2021 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Bills undefeated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: It’s not, but are you asking us to compare Baker Mayfield to Tom Brady? Nope. I'm saying that it's not just about the QB. I think we would all agree that Mahomes and Rodgers are better than Brady right now. I think most of us would agree that Allen is better than Brady. Having said that, Brady still won the Super Bowl last year because the team that wins the Super Bowl isn't always the team with the best QB. Saying that the Browns can never be better than the Bills because we have Josh Allen and they have Baker Mayfield is a ridiculous opinion that simply can not be supported. Football is a team sport. Is the QB the most important player on the team? Absolutely. Is having the best QB the only way to win in this league? Of course not. Edited May 2, 2021 by Inigo Montoya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 100% agree that the Chiefs are still the class of the AFC (and the entire NFL). 2nd tier in the AFC is probably Bills/Browns/Titans/Colts/Ravens (in no particular order). If Reich can have Wentz playing near his 2017 level the Colts will be terrifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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