Doc Brown Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) Now that the draft is over and the Bills have until Monday to decide on whether to pick up his 12.791M dollar 5th year option for the 2022 season. Was interested to see where fans stood on this. Edited May 2, 2021 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Should and will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 No. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Yes. I don’t think $12M is really all that bad. I’m not his biggest fan, but I really do want to see what he can do behind this DL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Now that the draft is over and the Bills have until Monday to decide on whether to pick up his 12.715M dollar 5th year option for the 2022 season. Was interested to see where fans stood on this. Nah. Dangle the free agency carrot...........if he plays great put the franchise tag on him. Only $2M difference and you don't have to fully guarantee the money 18 months in advance like you do with the 5th year option. God forbid he gets hurt this year and can't play in 2022 and they have a $12M cap hit on the books and no way to reduce the cap hit. 6 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 He is a top 10 inside LB in the NFL so you definitely pick it up and then I wait to see this year if he has hit his cieling and negotiate from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 They need Tremaine back. If they can instead work on signing him to a contract, a contract that would not have too much impact this next year, that would be great too. One or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Beane certainly didn't draft a replacement. He's staying. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, klos63 said: Beane certainly didn't draft a replacement. He's staying. If they decide to replace Edmunds in the middle it will likely be with a veteran at this point. They are a SB contender they won't want to be breaking in a young player at that position. The Ravens did that last year by selecting Patrick Queen in round 1............and he was terrible.....and getting him that year of reps to break him in hurt them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Nah. Dangle the free agency carrot...........if he plays great put the franchise tag on him. Only $2M difference and you don't have to fully guarantee the money 18 months in advance like you do with the 5th year option. God forbid he gets hurt this year and can't play in 2022 and they have a $12M cap hit on the books and no way to reduce the cap hit. The franchise tag for a LB is projected to be around $19M next season. A $7M dollar difference. I doubt they put the franchise tag on him next offseason unless he has a monster 2021 season. They'll most likely either have to sign him long term or let him walk after this season if they don't pick up the 5th year option. Edited May 2, 2021 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Oi Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) OK, this is how I see it...Edmunds maybe miscast in the middle but I don't blame them for trying he is a massive man in the middle. Brass tacks here, if his instincts don't improve and he is still missing assignments, miss reading gaps, etc. I'd still take the flyer and put him in the 'Zo role, that is where he excelled in college and where he may fit best. I hate to say it but he'll never come close to Luke Kuechly, but who can? He is still a very good player and just maybe miscast as a MLB. Edited May 2, 2021 by Craig Oi 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, klos63 said: Beane certainly didn't draft a replacement. He's staying. He can draft one next year....or sign one. The bills could just play a 4-1-6 defense. 2 safeties operate as line backers or an athletic DE can drop back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The franchise tag for a LB is projected to be around $19M next season. A $7M dollar difference. I doubt they put the franchise tag on him next offseason unless he has a monster 2021 season. They'll most likely either have to sign him long term or let him walk after this season if they don't pick up the 5th year option. The only risk then is does Edmunds have hurt feeling by not getting 5th year option so reluctant to sigh with Bills forcing them to use franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The franchise tag for a LB is projected to be around $19M next season. A $7M dollar difference. I doubt they put the franchise tag on him next offseason unless he has a monster 2021 season. They'll most likely either have to sign him long term or let him walk after this season if they don't pick up the 5th year option. The franchise tag for LB is projected as $14.9M. We had this discussion here already because IF both of Edmunds Pro Bowls counted towards his 5th year option value then that value would be the same as the franchise tag. If only one of them counts then his option was $12.7M. $2.2M difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Of course . Hes a cornerstone Him and Josh both getting extended 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: The only risk then is does Edmunds have hurt feeling by not getting 5th year option so reluctant to sigh with Bills forcing them to use franchise tag. True but we're not sure if the Bills will be able to afford franchising him at this point. The cap is expected to take a significant jump from 2022 to 2023 so I lean to be on the safe side and just pick up his option now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: True but we're not sure if the Bills will be able to afford franchising him at this point. The cap is expected to take a significant jump from 2022 to 2023 so I lean to be on the safe side and just pick up his option now. Agree, I'd go the option route too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The franchise tag for LB is projected as $14.9M. We had this discussion here already because IF both of Edmunds Pro Bowls counted towards his 5th year option value then that value would be the same as the franchise tag. If only one of them counts then his option was $12.7M. $2.2M difference. I made a mistake and read it wrong. It's actually projected to be 17.425M next year according to overthecap. About bout a 4.7M dollar difference. More digestible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: I made a mistake and read it wrong. It's actually projected to be 17.425M next year according to overthecap. About bout a 4.7M dollar difference. More digestible though. His 5th year option might be $17.425M then as well.........there is some discrepancy about whether both his pro bowls count in the equation.........if they do, then his option is worth the franchise tag figure. Either way.........it is a super-risky move to fully guarantee an off-ball LB upwards of $15M 18 months before that season. Cowart and Spikes were prime Bills examples. MLB's take a beating. Plus then you are competing against that guaranteed money. Let's say you want to offer 3 years $35M with $15M gtd..........if he has nearly $15M gtd in 2022 he doesn't have much reason to sign that deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: His 5th year option might be $17.425M then as well.........there is some discrepancy about whether both his pro bowls count in the equation.........if they do, then his option is worth the franchise tag figure. Either way.........it is a super-risky move to fully guarantee an off-ball LB upwards of $15M 18 months before that season. Cowart and Spikes were prime Bills examples. MLB's take a beating. Plus then you are competing against that guaranteed money. Let's say you want to offer 3 years $35M with $15M gtd..........if he has nearly $15M gtd in 2022 he doesn't have much reason to sign that deal. He was only selected to one pro bowl on the original ballot so the 5th year option will be 12.791M. I'd see him wanting a four year extension or new deal like White, Dawkins and Milano got. It's hard to project contracts but my guess is he'd demand 27 to 30 million guaranteed. That might be enough of a difference to convince him to sign an extension if we do pick up his option. He could very well bet on himself but there's always that injury concern like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I would like to see bigger plays before considering him for more years 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: He is a top 10 inside LB in the NFL so you definitely pick it up and then I wait to see this year if he has hit his cieling and negotiate from there. He played like a bottom 10 LB last year. None of us know how much that was injury or just regression. He played as an above average to very good MLB for the second half of the 2019 season. If he can sustain that level of play he will be worth it. Picking up the option makes the most sense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Anybody else hear John Warrow's question to Brandon Beane about whether he they are picking up Edmunds & Josh's 5th year option? ***** classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: The franchise tag for LB is projected as $14.9M. We had this discussion here already because IF both of Edmunds Pro Bowls counted towards his 5th year option value then that value would be the same as the franchise tag. If only one of them counts then his option was $12.7M. $2.2M difference. His first ProBowl was an injury replacement and does not count. Oddly he deserved the first trip to the ProBowl but there is zero explanation for making the ProBowl last year. He was terrible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Of course not, just think of the comp picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 You keep Edmunds. As fans we are in such a hurry to cut ties. There is a massive chunk of fans who want him to move positions. I too agree he’d be a bigger threat around the edges opposed to up the gut. Regardless, at his age and skill level, it’s a no brainer to pay the 5th year option. People act like this is coming out your savings account. Paying him that one year is not stopping this team from making any moves they want. As we keep reading during free agency, the cap is a myth, the money is there if you’re willing to move around enough dollar signs. Give Edmunds the 5th year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 so far what i see is he seems hesitant to go down hill and smash guys in the hole hes responsable for. he tends to stop and wait for the target to meet him giving guys a few free yards. his sideline to sideline is phenomenal. i did expect him to have a bigger impact in coverage in thr middle. i have a feeling this year will unlock his full potetial we have been waiting for. fully healthy and everyone in their proper roles. joshes contract is coming so if mcbean think hes their kuelchy. extend him NOW asap before he puts up the monster season and the price skyrockets like i think it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I would so no for that type of money with Josh’s extension due. He is slow to diagnose the run and routinely gets buried by guards in the hole. Some of it last year was because Star was not there to take up bodies, but how many times in the first three years do you remember him beating blockers to the point of attack and blowing up runners in the whole or in the backfield? - not a whole lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: He played like a bottom 10 LB last year. None of us know how much that was injury or just regression. He played as an above average to very good MLB for the second half of the 2019 season. If he can sustain that level of play he will be worth it. Picking up the option makes the most sense. He was a bottom ten LB and we saw him plenty of him on the field but we should pay him more in one year then we pay most low end starters for 3? He was bottom ten but coaches and players put him in the pro bowl? I guess I should simply ask for the 20 MLB who are better or the 90 overall LB, which ever you think is appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I've been a very harsh critic of Edmunds. That said, I'd rather the Bills pick up the 5th year option than extend him at the moment, and then let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 The only way you don't pick up the option, is if you intend to extend his deal now, and his agent etc. are made aware of that. That way there can be no feelings hurt, even theoretically. People are talking about Allen's extension being done through this off-season, well it may be that they do Edmunds as well. Or they get Edmunds done but not Allen, because the financial situation plays out that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 ABSOLUTELY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) I can understand why they would, but I would not. He was not good this season - and that’s putting it mildly. I just don’t like the idea rewarding that level of play even if other factors were at play. Nothing wrong with telling him that we want him to be here and that we want to pay him, but that he has to reach a certain level of play to earn that. Milano played out his deal and came back. Edmunds can do the same if he turns it around from last year. Edited May 2, 2021 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 They don't really have a choice. They don't have real good backup or replacement player for Edmunds on the roster and they did not dip into the draft to get competition at that position. And he played outstanding in the win against Baltimore in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Hell yes, or get a long term deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 No brainer, 100% yes! I feel he's going to be a monster this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: No brainer, 100% yes! I feel he's going to be a monster this season. We all hope so. I honestly feel Edmunds will be our make or break piece on D to guide us to a SB. For me Edmunds future with the Bills ride or dies on this next season. If he performs well give him a contract. If he plays like last year let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: We all hope so. I honestly feel Edmunds will be our make or break piece on D to guide us to a SB. For me Edmunds future with the Bills ride or dies on this next season. If he performs well give him a contract. If he plays like last year let him walk. I agree, he's had 3 years to hone his craft. I thought he got better in his 2nd year but then that injury early in the year really hampered him (Not making excuses) but he has to become a much better tackler, the athleticism is there, I feel he's going to have a monster season imo and take this defense to the next level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Mc1320 said: I would so no for that type of money with Josh’s extension due. He is slow to diagnose the run and routinely gets buried by guards in the hole. Some of it last year was because Star was not there to take up bodies, but how many times in the first three years do you remember him beating blockers to the point of attack and blowing up runners in the whole or in the backfield? - not a whole lot. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Still think he has the height and speed to be a good OLB to cover a TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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