CorkScrewHill Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-the-best-nfl-draft-picks-ever-peyton-manning-headlines-list-of-best-no-1-overall-picks-in-history/ it is amazing to think we had one of the all-time greats who started out rather rough .. but as the article states “In the 13 seasons from 1986 to 1998, Smith hit the double-digit sack mark a total of 12 times and the only reason he didn't make it a perfect 13 is because he missed 11 games in 1991 due to a knee injury. ” the season he was suspended he got 12 sacks in 12 games. Favorite Bruce story not mentioned in the article was a comment from an opposing quarterback who was lamenting how he hated playing Bruce as Bruce would eat raw Garlic before the game and if he sacked the qb he would lay on him and breath into the quarterbacks face mask .. that will make someone nervous Edited April 28, 2021 by CorkScrewHill 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Definitely one of the top, well deserved. I would think that OJ Simpson would merit a lot of consideration but with the stuff after his playing days he is not given much thought for a lot of "best of" lists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Any list that does not have OJ as one of the top 10 best first overall draft picks is just wrong. He is still in the argument for top 5 RB of all time. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Best DE of all time, best Buffalo Bill of all time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 OJ deserves to be on that list. Prime example of being the victim of the increasing cancel culture in today's society. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 What a talent Bruce Smith was.. Imagine him arriving on the scene these days... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I have no idea how good Chuck Bednarik was so I have no opinion on ranking him there. But Bradshaw ahead of Simpson? NO WAY. As the article mentions, it was the tremendous Steelers defense that won all those championships. Bradshaw (the original TB12) was a good QB, but there is NO WAY he surpassed what Simpson did. There's far too much emphasis on winning championships in ranking individual players. 53 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: OJ deserves to be on that list. Prime example of being the victim of the increasing cancel culture in today's society. You can make the case that OJ was the first victim of cancel culture. His football achievements were conspicuously ignored due to the fact that he was a vicious, brutal knife murderer. There is even talk that his name should come off the Bills' ring of honor. Not recognizing his achievements -- the only RB to get 2000 yards in a 14 game season, dominating the league for three or four years as the obvious MVP -- can only be due to people not wanting to honor a killer that way. But that's not what this list was about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: OJ deserves to be on that list. Prime example of being the victim of the increasing cancel culture in today's society. He was considered in the honorable mention category. 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Any list that does not have OJ as one of the top 10 best first overall draft picks is just wrong. He is still in the argument for top 5 RB of all time. The list is only the Top 5. Did you read it? Edited April 28, 2021 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: He was considered in the honorable mention category. I saw that. Always safe to include him. I'm surprised Ed "too tall" Jones and Ron Yary weren't mentioned. Meanwhile Eli Manning was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I''d say Chuck Bednarik was underrated but the other 3 ahead of him were so good hard to raise him. I have seen old film and I love ironman football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 8 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Best DE of all time, best Buffalo Bill of all time. There will never be another one like him. No one will ever break his all time sack record. No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: What a talent Bruce Smith was.. Imagine him arriving on the scene these days... Bruce would be asking for a billion dollars ...lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Bruce would be asking for a billion dollars ...lol Would he show up for camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said: Would he show up for camp? Nope and the board would melt down saying he isn't a team player and should be traded. Edge guys aren't needed when the qb gets rid of the ball in under 2 seconds etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Bad things, man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 13 seasons with double digit sacks. At age 39 and Bruce's last year starting.....he had 9 sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Elway has always been over-rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: 13 seasons with double digit sacks. At age 39 and Bruce's last year starting.....he had 9 sacks. and yet he never lead the NFL in sacks in a single season. Edited April 28, 2021 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: and yet he never lead the NFL in sacks in a single season. In his best season (1996), he not only led the entire league in AV (Average Value; PFR's equivalent of WAR for football), he had a ridiculous 54 pressures, dwarfing every other pass rusher in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: In his best season (1996), he not only led the entire league in AV (Average Value; PFR's equivalent of WAR for football), he had a ridiculous 54 pressures, dwarfing every other pass rusher in the league. This says Kevin Greene lead the NFL in sacks in 1996, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1996/defense.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: This says Kevin Greene lead the NFL in sacks in 1996, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1996/defense.htm I said pressures, not sacks. There is a reason he won defensive player of the year that season. He also had 69 solo tackles, which is also ridiculous for a d-lineman. Edited April 28, 2021 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: I said pressures, not sacks. Sorry I misunderstood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Just now, The Jokeman said: Sorry I misunderstood. No worries! I remember that season and he was a one-man wrecking crew. Just unblockable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Victory Formation said: There will never be another one like him. No one will ever break his all time sack record. No one. True. But give Reggie White the extra 47 games to match Bruce and White leaves him in the dust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: Bruce would be asking for a billion dollars ...lol The Bills need to clone him ASAP, the Pegs have the coin to do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: True. But give Reggie White the extra 47 games to match Bruce and White leaves him in the dust. White was a LDE on a 4 man front. Bruce was a RDE on a 3 man front. Line white up against the pass-blocking tackle, without 2 DT's to pluck off the guards and his numbers are ??? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirebors Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 14 hours ago, Utah John said: You can make the case that OJ was the first victim of cancel culture. His football achievements were conspicuously ignored due to the fact that he was a vicious, brutal knife murderer. There is even talk that his name should come off the Bills' ring of honor. Not recognizing his achievements -- the only RB to get 2000 yards in a 14 game season, dominating the league for three or four years as the obvious MVP -- can only be due to people not wanting to honor a killer that way. But that's not what this list was about. So what's the cut off? Is there one? When does a person's off field actions affect his on field performance? A "brutal knife murderer" doesn't yet meet the qualification? Does anything then? What about rape? What about blowing up the Federal Building? Or flying airplanes into the World Trade Center? Should any off field actions by a player affect what he did previously on the field? If Osama Bin Laden ran for 2000 yards should he be on the Wall of Fame? What about Hitler? I'm just trying to figure out if killing and nearly decapitating 2 people is not enough to warrant some kind of censure then what does warrant it? What about child molestation? Nothing at all justifies your so called "cancel culture?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: White was a LDE on a 4 man front. Bruce was a RDE on a 3 man front. Line white up against the pass-blocking tackle, without 2 DT's to pluck off the guards and his numbers are ??? Lol. Like serious Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 15 hours ago, Utah John said: I have no idea how good Chuck Bednarik was so I have no opinion on ranking him there. But Bradshaw ahead of Simpson? NO WAY. As the article mentions, it was the tremendous Steelers defense that won all those championships. Bradshaw (the original TB12) was a good QB, but there is NO WAY he surpassed what Simpson did. There's far too much emphasis on winning championships in ranking individual players. You can make the case that OJ was the first victim of cancel culture. His football achievements were conspicuously ignored due to the fact that he was a vicious, brutal knife murderer. There is even talk that his name should come off the Bills' ring of honor. Not recognizing his achievements -- the only RB to get 2000 yards in a 14 game season, dominating the league for three or four years as the obvious MVP -- can only be due to people not wanting to honor a killer that way. But that's not what this list was about. I agree with some of this. You'd have to think that there have been more than four first overall picks who've been better football players than Terry Bradshaw. Bradshaw had the benefit of playing on a run-oriented team with a great offensive line and two Hall of Fame WRs. If you'd put Drew Bledsoe on a team like that, he would have accomplished a lot as well. That said, the argument against O.J. is longevity. If you define a "good" season for a RB as rushing for at least 1000 yards while achieving at least 4.0 yards per carry, O.J. had five good seasons. Adjust for the fact that he only played 14 game seasons instead of 16, and it's still just five good seasons. All the players who made their list provided much more than just five good seasons. "Cancel culture" is normally defined as globalist billionaires using money and power to cancel ideological content they don't like. O.J.'s decision to murder his ex-wife and her boyfriend was ideologically neutral. It was not an attempt to contradict the belief system being spread by globalist billionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 18 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-the-best-nfl-draft-picks-ever-peyton-manning-headlines-list-of-best-no-1-overall-picks-in-history/ it is amazing to think we had one of the all-time greats who started out rather rough .. but as the article states “In the 13 seasons from 1986 to 1998, Smith hit the double-digit sack mark a total of 12 times and the only reason he didn't make it a perfect 13 is because he missed 11 games in 1991 due to a knee injury. ” the season he was suspended he got 12 sacks in 12 games. Favorite Bruce story not mentioned in the article was a comment from an opposing quarterback who was lamenting how he hated playing Bruce as Bruce would eat raw Garlic before the game and if he sacked the qb he would lay on him and breath into the quarterbacks face mask .. that will make someone nervous Bruce was damn good his rookie year.I think the weight issue that he had distracted people from his performance.yes he improved when he lost weight but you could still see that he had enormous potential. 17 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Best DE of all time, best Buffalo Bill of all time. OJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tcali said: OJ NOJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: Lol. Like serious Lol. I think he made a fair point. Producing that many sacks as a 3-4 DE is insane, especially considering that the Bills' front 7 was a little undersized for a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Capco said: I think he made a fair point. Producing that many sacks as a 3-4 DE is insane, especially considering that the Bills' front 7 was a little undersized for a 3-4. Sure. But nothing suggests that Bruce would have done any better playing Whites position. Nothing. The fact of the matter is White played Almost 3 fewer seasons worth of games and finished with 2 fewer sacks. So, it’s arguable White was the better DE . White - .853 sacks/game Smith - .717 Kind of a large difference. Edited April 28, 2021 by Jay_Fixit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 It was so much fun to watch him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I think Bruce is the best number one pick of all time Peyton Manning 2 The juice 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Sure. But nothing suggests that Bruce would have done any better playing Whites position. Nothing. The fact of the matter is White played Almost 3 fewer seasons worth of games and finished with 2 fewer sacks. So, it’s arguable White was the better DE . White - .853 sacks/game Smith - .717 Kind of a large difference. Oh for sure it's arguable. I think your point is equally fair about sacks per game. I'd only add that if White played Bruce's position, nothing suggests that White would have done any better than Bruce, but I think it's arguable White's production per game would have gone down as a 3-4 DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: True. But give Reggie White the extra 47 games to match Bruce and White leaves him in the dust. Longevity definitely factors into it though my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 10 hours ago, HOUSE said: Bruce would be asking for a billion dollars ...lol He made me crazy asking for a new contract, right after he got a new contract, just because somebody else got a new contract. Best Bills player of all time IMO, but I would have let him sit. I’m just “that way”, I guess. Still love the guy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: True. But give Reggie White the extra 47 games to match Bruce and White leaves him in the dust. Durability is a part of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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