Darnold to the Panthers

[ExWNYer]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I think it’s a great acquisition for Carolina, but I also think their GM got fleeced. There is no way the Jets were starting year one under Saleh with a quarterback controversy. Darnold could of been had much cheaper at some point this offseason imo. That second rounder sticks out like a sore thumb to me. 
The guy is 100% shell shocked from the beating he’s taken the last 3 years.  I haven’t written him off maybe he can recover with a decent offense, but Carolina still has a pathetic offensive line. Teddy is not great but I’m not even sure Darnold is an upgrade at this point. 

 

It's a 2nd Round pick in 2022 though. That's roughly the equivalent of a 3rd Round pick this year.

 

1 hour ago, H2o said:

I don't think they traded up for Mac Jones whom they could have had @ #12, but who knows really. 

 

Maybe...but if you covet Mac Jones are you willing to stay at 12 and hope that NE* at 15 (or somebody else) doesn't jump just ahead of you and snag him? If SF really does want Jones. he's theirs at 3. It's a much iffier proposition at 12. 

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The kid could be the real deal.  who knows?  But the Jets is the worst place for him.  Those fans won't wait long....

Absolutely, there’s no way any of us know how their careers will turn out. I’m just amazed by reports that some teams actually prefer Wilson to Lawrence. A year ago you’d assume anyone going all in to draft a QB would be going after Lawrence. I’m not certain of Lawrence or Wilson, as I’ve said there’s no guarantees. It’s just interesting how fickle opinions and analysis can be. Last season Lawrence was the greatest QB prospect ever, and now a one season star is giving him a bit of a challenge. I think it shows that we’re too prone to exaggerations when assessing players. 

[ChevyVanMiller]

Darnold going to the Panthers makes him 10x more likely to be a member of the Bills in the future.

[Albany,n.y.]

Back in 2018 I was one of those people who thought the Jets had outmaneuvered us when they moved from #6 to #3.  My 1st reaction was the Jets were going to screw us out of getting the QB we wanted.  It sure didn't work out that way.  One season of Darnold & Mike Maccagnan, the GM who I thought pulled off the draft coup, was fired by the Jets.  

[Beast]

33 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

I know we all agree that it would be great if the Panthers could make the playoffs so that the Jests second rounder becomes pick 50-something and not pick 33.

 

Right.

 

But pick 50 next year, and all other picks in the next few years, won't matter if they don't get #2 overall right this season.

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Absolutely, there’s no way any of us know how their careers will turn out. I’m just amazed by reports that some teams actually prefer Wilson to Lawrence. A year ago you’d assume anyone going all in to draft a QB would be going after Lawrence. I’m not certain of Lawrence or Wilson, as I’ve said there’s no guarantees. It’s just interesting how fickle opinions and analysis can be. Last season Lawrence was the greatest QB prospect ever, and now a one season star is giving him a bit of a challenge. I think it shows that we’re too prone to exaggerations when assessing players. 

Wut

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yeah, ol what's his name!

 

Picking a one full season college starter who no one heard of a year ago at #2...what could go wrong??  (asking for a Bears fan)

 

Oh you mean like Cam Newton who was a one year wonder then got drafted and goes on to shatter multiple rookie passing records?

 

I guess Carolina should've went with the "safe" multiple season starter that year like Blaine freaking Gabbert, Ponder, or Locker 🙄

 

Good quarterbacks come in all shapes, sizes, and paths. You either have it or u don't and I highly doubt the Jets are gonna go with Mac Jones over a one year guy like Fields or ol' what's his name.

 

[Success]

I actually think Darnold will do really well in Carolina. I'm happy for him - the Jets were a terrible situation.  They might be moving in the right direction now, but in the years he was there, he had nothing to work with.

 

We'll see how the trade works out for the Jets, but they didn't do too badly. If Saleh pans out and they choose the right QB in this draft, the AFCE could be one very tough division.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Absolutely, there’s no way any of us know how their careers will turn out. I’m just amazed by reports that some teams actually prefer Wilson to Lawrence. A year ago you’d assume anyone going all in to draft a QB would be going after Lawrence. I’m not certain of Lawrence or Wilson, as I’ve said there’s no guarantees. It’s just interesting how fickle opinions and analysis can be. Last season Lawrence was the greatest QB prospect ever, and now a one season star is giving him a bit of a challenge. I think it shows that we’re too prone to exaggerations when assessing players. 

 

 

Lawrence's "dilemma" is that everyone saw him play nearly every Saturday for years--we saw him rack up tons of wins, yet after his first year, he seemed to come up small in the biggest game.  People expected 3 straight from him and Clemson.

 

Wilson benefitted form the relative obscurity (who's watching other than parents, alumni and gambling addicts) of BYU football.  Plus he's never played in a big game.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Lawrence's "dilemma" is that everyone saw him play nearly every Saturday for years--we saw him rack up tons of wins, yet after his first year, he seemed to come up small in the biggest game.  People expected 3 straight from him and Clemson.

 

Wilson benefitted form the relative obscurity (who's watching other than parents, alumni and gambling addicts) of BYU football.  Plus he's never played in a big game.

 

 

He wasn’t even elected captain as a 3rd year starting QB. What’s with that 

5 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Oh you mean like Cam Newton who was a one year wonder then got drafted and goes on to shatter multiple rookie passing records?

 

I guess Carolina should've went with the "safe" multiple season starter that year like Blaine freaking Gabbert, Ponder, or Locker 🙄

 

Good quarterbacks come in all shapes, sizes, and paths. You either have it or u don't and I highly doubt the Jets are gonna go with Mac Jones over a one year guy like Fields or ol' what's his name.

 

Mac Jones is the 1 year guy 

[RobbRiddick]

Jets just pulled off the best trade in the history of the NFL.

 

Sincerely,

 

SAR I 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He wasn’t even elected captain as a 3rd year starting QB. What’s with that 

Mac Jones is the 1 year guy 

 

lol well I screwed that up. Either way they're all one year guys except Lawrence.

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Oh you mean like Cam Newton who was a one year wonder then got drafted and goes on to shatter multiple rookie passing records?

 

I guess Carolina should've went with the "safe" multiple season starter that year like Blaine freaking Gabbert, Ponder, or Locker 🙄

 

Good quarterbacks come in all shapes, sizes, and paths. You either have it or u don't and I highly doubt the Jets are gonna go with Mac Jones over a one year guy like Fields or ol' what's his name.

 

 

lol Newton?

 

In that one year, he scored 51 TDs (30 passing, 20 rushing--running for 1500 yards, and 1 receiving) and won a National Championship.

 

you couldn't have made a poorer comparison.

 

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wut

 

Well maybe not teams, but certainly no less than TBD's favorite idiot savant, Chris Simms does

Edited April 5, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

lol well I screwed that up. Either way they're all one year guys except Lawrence.

Fields was a two year starter at Ohio state and a Heisman finalist as a sophomore. Wilson was a 3 year starter.  

Edited April 5, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[ColoradoBills]

LOL, I just seen that the 6th round pick this year wasn't even the Panthers pick #193 it was their comp pick at #222.

Pretty much a 7th.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

lol Newton?

 

In that one year, he scored 51 TDs (30 passing, 20 rushing--running for 1500 yards, and 1 receiving) and won a National Championship.

 

you couldn't have made a dumber comparison.

 

 

Well maybe not teams, but certainly no less than TBD's favorite idiot savant, Chris Simms does

 

I can't stand know-it-all, sarcastic people like u who crap on people's opinions on a message board. Get a life, dude. There's a reason you aren't a GM lol I stated my opinion and you call it dumb. Why don't u formulate an intelligent and factual response instead of being a ****? 

 

And yeah it's a decent comparison and if u don't like that one then go on the internet and find another one. There's plenty of one season wonders that came in the NFL and dominated

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fields was a two year starter at Ohio state and a Heisman finalist as a sophomore. Wilson was a 3 year starter.  

 

 

He only started 1 full season

2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

I can't stand know-it-all, sarcastic people like u who crap on people's opinions on a message board. Get a life, dude. There's a reason you aren't a GM lol I stated my opinion and you call it dumb. Why don't u formulate an intelligent and factual response instead of being a ****? 

 

And yeah it's a decent comparison and if u don't like that one then go on the internet and find another one. There's plenty of one season wonders that came in the NFL and dominated

 

 

That was a factual response, full of facts and everything

 

Any one of us could be GM of the Lions or the Jets, so what's your point?

Edited April 5, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He only started 1 full season

 

 

That was a factual response, full of facts and everything

 

Anh one of us could be GM of the Lions or the Jets, so what's your point?

Why was he hurt? 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He only started 1 full season

 

 

That was a factual response, full of facts and everything

 

Anh one of us could be GM of the Lions or the Jets, so what's your point?

 

You literally said my comparison is dumb. Just disagree and leave it at that . We're fans of the same team.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why was he hurt? 

 

I don't see that he was.  Maybe

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fields was a two year starter at Ohio state and a Heisman finalist as a sophomore. Wilson was a 3 year starter.  

 

You're right. They only played 8 games this year so like 1 and 1/2 

[Mr. K]

As a Carolina resident I'm bummed my local game is going to be Darnold. As a Bills fan I'm curious to see if it is Zach Wilson how it works out. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

You literally said my comparison is dumb. Just disagree and leave it at that . We're fans of the same team.

 

 

You were comparing the one year of some guy at BYU to one of the greatest single seasons a QB has had in college football offensively.

 

The facts I provided in my post.  Newton was on a far different  planet in his last year than Wilson has ever even seen through a telescope.

Edited April 5, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[SirAndrew]

42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wut

There’s been some reports online citing “sources” claiming Wilson is ranked above Lawrence on one or more draft boards. I realize the internet is far from trustworthy, but I find it surprising that any sports site would post these articles. Chris Simms is respected for his analysis, and he came out saying he preferred Wilson. Lawrence remains number one obviously, and who knows the validity of these rumors, but there could be legitimate rumblings about Wilson over Lawrence in some circles. It won’t happen, but I’m just making the point that Wilson over Lawrence has been mentioned, albeit not often. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You were comparing the one year of some guy at BYU to one of the greatest single seasons a QB has had in college football offensively.

 

The facts I provided in my post.  Newton was on a far different  planet in his last year than Wilson has ever even seen through a telescope.

 

Cam Newton wasn't a surefire 1st overall guy like people seem to think. His system was extremely simple at Auburn and not to mention all his off the field BS. Carolina could've went in many directions w/ that pick. He was a huge gamble that happened to work out. Heisman winners don't even pan out half the time from any position.

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Where does Bridgewater go now. Bridgewater in NE makes sense. 

hed probably be a safe and reliable caretaker there. Not winning many games for them but not losing many either. 

[Jay_Fixit]

4 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

poor robby anderson

Him and Darnold were an awesome combo.

[Doc]

Good for Darnold.  He'll still be who he is, but at least he's out of Jersey.

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Why is San Fran hell bent on getting rid of him then?

 

What they gave up to get to #3 is all you need to know.

This is easy, when the team ran the ball down other teams throats all season 2019, Jimmy G looked great in just managing the game like Alex Smith.

 

Everything came to light in that super bowl when the 49ers put the emphasis to win the game on their QB, and he failed them. He was only sacked once and yet he looked bad, the Chiefs won 31-20. 

 

Jimmy G had 3 starts in 2018, played a full season in 2019 and with injuries only played 6 games in 2020. Perhaps they want a QB that can stay healthy. The Buffalo Bills might have shown them what a true stud at QB looks like! 

 

My thoughts are the 49ers are looking at QB Trey Lance. Both Fields and Jones look better right now. But, Lance looks like Josh Allen in that he has a very high ceiling and needs time to develop... small school, big arm.

[Iverwig]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

There’s been some reports online citing “sources” claiming Wilson is ranked above Lawrence on one or more draft boards. I realize the internet is far from trustworthy, but I find it surprising that any sports site would post these articles. Chris Simms is respected for his analysis, and he came out saying he preferred Wilson. Lawrence remains number one obviously, and who knows the validity of these rumors, but there could be legitimate rumblings about Wilson over Lawrence in some circles. It won’t happen, but I’m just making the point that Wilson over Lawrence has been mentioned, albeit not often. 

There were also rumblings teams had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning on their draft boards. These types of rumors happen often. While anything is possible and Simms is respected I find it unlikely any team would take Wilson over Lawrence. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Iverwig said:

There were also rumblings teams had Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning on their draft boards. These types of rumors happen often. While anything is possible and Simms is respected I find it unlikely any team would take Wilson over Lawrence. 

I think people are just bored since the college season ended in the time up to the draft. They just say ***** to create content. 

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

There’s been some reports online citing “sources” claiming Wilson is ranked above Lawrence on one or more draft boards. I realize the internet is far from trustworthy, but I find it surprising that any sports site would post these articles. Chris Simms is respected for his analysis, and he came out saying he preferred Wilson. Lawrence remains number one obviously, and who knows the validity of these rumors, but there could be legitimate rumblings about Wilson over Lawrence in some circles. It won’t happen, but I’m just making the point that Wilson over Lawrence has been mentioned, albeit not often. 

For all those Bills fans worried about Zach Wilson. This take remind you of anyone?

 

"In speaking to a director of college scouting from a NFC team that is in the market for a new quarterback, he outlined the makeup concerns with Wilson:
 

"Johnny Manziel comp without the [drugs]. [Wilson] is fun to watch, but is he a 1-year flash in the pan? He's a backyard baller who is fun to watch."

"Someone will grab him in the first [round]. I doubt he gets to the second [round] because once the third quarterback goes, after Lawrence and Fields, there will be a run on them. [Wilson] has character concerns, rich kid who is an entitled brat - uncle owns Jet Blue -, parents are a pain, not a leader, selfish, and he's a know-it-all.

"His positives are that he's super competitive, not to get scared and won't back down, extremely confident, very smart with keen recall and teammates will play for him."

 

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Some-Teams-Have-Makeup-Concerns-with-Zach-Wilson

 

Like perhaps Josh Rosen...

 

 

 

 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Cam Newton wasn't a surefire 1st overall guy like people seem to think. His system was extremely simple at Auburn and not to mention all his off the field BS. Carolina could've went in many directions w/ that pick. He was a huge gamble that happened to work out. Heisman winners don't even pan out half the time from any position.

Yup.

Scam Newton 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Back in 2018 I was one of those people who thought the Jets had outmaneuvered us when they moved from #6 to #3.  My 1st reaction was the Jets were going to screw us out of getting the QB we wanted.  It sure didn't work out that way.  One season of Darnold & Mike Maccagnan, the GM who I thought pulled off the draft coup, was fired by the Jets.  

 

@Albany,n.y. I'm in the same boat: I was livid that Beane LET us get jumped by the fuggin' JESTS. I thought that was the nail in another 16 year (at the time) coffin. Man alive, am I glad we were stone-cold wrong!

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Him and Darnold were an awesome combo.

Awesome for who? He caught 40 more passes and 300 more yards this last season than his best with Sam

[YoloinOhio]

 

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Where does Bridgewater go now. Bridgewater in NE makes sense. 

He would compete with Darnold for the starting job.   Darnold will probably get his fifth year option picked to give the Panthers a 2-year window to develop him.  Good move for the Panthers

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Cam Newton wasn't a surefire 1st overall guy like people seem to think. His system was extremely simple at Auburn and not to mention all his off the field BS. Carolina could've went in many directions w/ that pick. He was a huge gamble that happened to work out. Heisman winners don't even pan out half the time from any position.

Lol. You are the 3,417th poster to not speak glowingly about a Patriot and feel the wrath of WEO.

[mannc]

4 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

I dunno - its tough to go from 2-14 to good in a year.  Their offensive line is still poor, they have no running backs, and their WR core is pretty similar to a year ago.  One QB isn't going to flip them from worst offense in the league to... reasonably poor.  Davis will help, i thought mims looked alright at times, crowder and cole are fine.  The biggest help to a young QB is top tier weapons, or a run game.  They have neither.

 

Oh, and their defense was bad last year and they're pretty much running it back with carl lawson and rankins.  

I didn't say the Jets will be good this year, but I do think they will win a lot more games than they did last year.  They had the worst coach in the league last year.  They finally have a GM who seems to know what he's doing.  They had a good draft last year and they have a ton of picks this year, including 6 in the top 107 picks.  Next year they have two first rounders and two second rounders.  I expect Wilson will be an upgrade from Darnold and Mr. Clean simply has to be an upgrade from Gase.  So yes, I think the Jets will be much improved this year and if they hit on Wilson and Saleh, they could surpass the fish as the Bills' toughest AFCE competitor.  

[Solomon Grundy]

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Is Ross saying that the Bills could potentially be in for a nice haul of draft picks?