Darnold to the Panthers

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He will be better in Carolina. 

 

Now i wonder where they go with their first.  Parsons maybe if available, or the top CB on the board?  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

Gambling addiction?  Seriously though, I think it's going to happen. I don't think they traded up for Mac Jones whom they could have had @ #12, but who knows really. 

3d overall is too high for a guy who played almost no football last year and only started one season of 1-AA football.   But Lance wouldn't be the first QB to be drafted too high.  Everything I've read and heard says Shanahan is taking Jones. 

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I agree.  On the Jets board and even here there is a false narrative that Allen had it great when he came to Buffalo and Darnold had it terrible in NY.

 

IMO Allen had it worse in Buffalo his rookie year then Darnold did in NY.  I would challenge people to check out both offensive rosters and tell me I'm wrong.

 

While folks like Colin Cowherd continue to peddle the false notion that Bean/McD did a great job with Allen from day one the objective truth is that they screwed up big time his rookie year.  It wasn't until mid season when they brought in Barkley & Anderson and cut the dead weight at WR did the Bills brain trust start to the right thing. 

 

For sure in Allen's 2nd year Bean & McD hit their stride and they haven't looked back.  At that point Allen was given the tools to succeed.  But in his rookie year all credit goes to Allen because management & coaching did precious little through the first half of that season.

 

 

 

 

Very well put. There is not many guys at quarterback in this league who could of taken that kind of beating year one. He was not ready, he did not have help, but he took the beating and must of lived in the film room, put on his cape and carried that entire offense. 

[Nihilarian]

Carolina must have been thinking that no way do any of the top 5 QBs in the draft reach them at #8. 

 

#1) QB Lawrence, Jacksonville

#2) QB Wilson, NY Jets

#3) QB Fields?, SF

#4) QB Jones?, Atlanta

#5) Cincy

#6) Miami

#7) QB Lance, Detroit

#8) Carolina now have Sam Darnold and will draft a different position.

 

Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones could go in any order but all expected to be gone in the first 10 picks.

Good thing too because rumor has it that the Patriots have been very interested in Mac Jones!

[Victory Formation]

15 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

This is bad news for Buffalo because that kid from BYU is gonna be something serious. IMO of course..

We’ll see.. I’m not completely sold on him, I could absolutely be wrong though.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Certainly can't fault him for the Jamal Adams trade...I don't recall what the Jets got back for L Williams, but that guy was a monster this year.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

We’ll see.. I’m not completely sold on him, I could absolutely be wrong though.

I’ve only seen him play once and he lost to coastal Carolina. I heard he’s the next mahomes though so 

[Nihilarian]

It shouldn't matter what QB the Jets select at #2. If they fail to build their O line, WR corps, run game they can expect the new QB to fail just like Darnold. 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I’ve only seen him play once and he lost to coastal Carolina. I heard he’s the next mahomes though so 

We’ll see.. I really like that Trey Lance kid a lot.. I see a lot of Josh Allen in him. I’m 50/50 on Wilson.

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

3d overall is too high for a guy who played almost no football last year and only started one season of 1-AA football.   But Lance wouldn't be the first QB to be drafted too high.  Everything I've read and heard says Shanahan is taking Jones. 

And he may be. When I did my first mock I had Jones going to SF @ #12. He is the Shanahan type of QB he looks for in that regard. I just think it's going to be someone different now that they traded up to #3. As long as NE misses out on the QB sweepstakes for any of the top rated guys, I'll take it. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Good move by the Panthers considering they weren't getting one of the top 3 or 4 guys in the draft.  It'll be interesting to see if Carolina's Head Coach is as brilliant as advertised.  Guess this mean we'll be seeing rookie Zach Wilson in the AFC East next year.

[Inigo Montoya]

To draft Sam Darnold the Jets traded with Indianapolis moving up three spots from the 6th selection overall to the 3rd spot.  It cost the Jets three 2nd round picks to move up three spots.   In addition to their 2018 1st round pick, the 2nd round picks ended up being;

 

2018  Pick #5,  2nd round

2018  Pick #17, 2nd round

2019  Pick #2,  2nd round

 

A very costly swing and miss for the Jets' franchise.  Now they are going back to the well again and hoping for better luck in this year's draft.  Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.   The odds are stacked against them.  Just like the Bills' long parade of 1st round QB busts, across the NFL there is not a single QB drafted in the 1st round between 2009 to 2016 who is still playing for the team that drafted them.  It is really hard to project college QBs to the pros.

 

I still think the Jets would have been better off to trade out of #2 this year for more draft picks and build a real roster around Darnold.  I guess that's all just water under the bridge at this point.

 

 

[Rc2catch]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Good move by the Panthers considering they weren't getting one of the top 3 or 4 guys in the draft.  It'll be interesting to see if Carolina's Head Coach is as brilliant as advertised.  Guess this mean we'll be seeing rookie Zach Wilson in the AFC East next year.

Rhule is not the brilliant guy you are asking for.. Brady is the real mastermind over there. If he somehow gets production from Darnold he’ll be a head coach somewhere when the season ends

[CommonCents]

Great trade for Carolina. 

[wjag]

One of my favorite quotes from a Jet's Board  "According to the draft value chart, we just traded Darnold for a bushel of unsalted peanuts."

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

To draft Sam Darnold the Jets traded with Indianapolis moving up three spots from the 6th selection overall to the 3rd spot.  It cost the Jets three 2nd round picks to move up three spots.   In addition to their 2018 1st round pick, the 2nd round picks ended up being;

 

2018  Pick #5,  2nd round

2018  Pick #17, 2nd round

2019  Pick #2,  2nd round

 

A very costly swing and miss for the Jets' franchise.  Now they are going back to the well again and hoping for better luck in this year's draft.  Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.   The odds are stacked against them.  Just like the Bills' long parade of 1st round QB busts, across the NFL there is not a single QB drafted in the 1st round between 2009 to 2016 who is still playing for the team that drafted them.  It is really hard to project college QBs to the pros.

 

I still think the Jets would have been better off to trade out of #2 this year for more draft picks and build a real roster around Darnold.  I guess that's all just water under the bridge at this point.

 

 

Or just trade for Deshaun Watson...😀

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, mannc said:

Certainly can't fault him for the Jamal Adams trade...I don't recall what the Jets got back for L Williams, but that guy was a monster this year.

He also let Robby Anderson walk 

[Buffalo716]

Wilson in NYC has bust all over it

 

They will be taking another first rounder in 4 years

[BillsfaninSB]

35 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

This is bad news for Buffalo because that kid from BYU is gonna be something serious. IMO of course..

That was going to happen, Wilson to Jets, regardless of the trade.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

16 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I agree.  On the Jets board and even here there is a false narrative that Allen had it great when he came to Buffalo and Darnold had it terrible in NY.

 

IMO Allen had it worse in Buffalo his rookie year then Darnold did in NY.  I would challenge people to check out both offensive rosters and tell me I'm wrong.

 

While folks like Colin Cowherd continue to peddle the false notion that Bean/McD did a great job with Allen from day one the objective truth is that they screwed up big time his rookie year.  It wasn't until mid season when they brought in Barkley & Anderson and cut the dead weight at WR did the Bills brain trust start to the right thing. 

 

For sure in Allen's 2nd year Bean & McD hit their stride and they haven't looked back.  At that point Allen was given the tools to succeed.  But in his rookie year all credit goes to Allen because management & coaching did precious little through the first half of that season.

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly lol it was Benjamin, Zay Jones, and Clay + a geriatric Lesean McCoy and a below average Line protecting him, but anyone worth his salt knew Allen was the future especially after the last few games on the schedule. 

 

Hell, the staff didn't know he was going to start before the first half of the first game. With no off-season and being super raw, he still put up a respectable seasons and showed huge flashes.

 

Cowherd is a clown.

[Fan in Chicago]

That's one cheap trade! To think that just 3 years back he was thought of as the #1 overall pick in the draft. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ve only seen him play once and he lost to coastal Carolina. I heard he’s the next mahomes though so 

 

We shall see.

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wilson in NYC has bust all over it

 

They will be taking another first rounder in 4 years

Been doing some film work on him, eh?  Please share...

[HOUSE]

Well, The Panther fans are not happy

 

"We got Fleeced by the fuging New York Jets. The buttfumble team. The team that drafted Ken O'Brian over Dan Marino. The team that drafted a fullback in the first round.

The fuging JETS."

 

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/169069-panthers-trade-for-sam-darnold/

Edited April 5, 2021 by HOUSE

[BillsFan4]

I’ll be interested to see how he looks away from Adam Gase and with more talent around him on offense. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

22 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

It shouldn't matter what QB the Jets select at #2. If they fail to build their O line, WR corps, run game they can expect the new QB to fail just like Darnold. 

Agreed, if they don’t fix their flaws on the offensive side of the ball then expect the same results that happened to Darnold will happen to the new QB they draft. Outside of Lawrence none of the other QBS in the draft worry me.

[Warcodered]

Chances increased to one day be the Bills backup QB.

[OZBILLS]

Good move getting out of Jersey.

[BillsFan4]

7 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

That's one cheap trade! To think that just 3 years back he was thought of as the #1 overall pick in the draft. 

At the time I remember reading that he was the highest rated QB prospect to enter the draft since Andrew Luck 🤷‍♂️

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, mannc said:

Been doing some film work on him, eh?  Please share...

Physically he's got it. He's a great playmaker from the quarterback position

 

But the Jets are a dumpster fire and they will ruin just about anybody. I would even be scared for Trevor Lawrence going there 

 

Wilson would have been perfect in Carolina, San Francisco, New Orleans... Jets ... Eh , good luck 

 

He plays like he's Josh Allen, or rodgers , but it doesn't have the body for that to hold up in the NFL.. even Rogers has 25- 30 lb on him 

 

He's going to have to adapt his game for the NFL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by Buffalo716

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

So now I’m pulling for Darnold and hope this comes back to haunt the Jets for the next ten years! 

[maddenboy]

I'm thinking the Panthers are still in the hunt for a REAL QB.  Darnold gives them a more valuable trade token then this year's 6th and next year's 2 and 4.

 

Spitballing, maybe the Niners would take Darnold and stuff for the #3.  A proven QB with upside is maybe better than a lotto ticket.

 

Spitballing, maybe the Texans are willing to make a move, but not for Bridgewater.  But for Darnold, the Texans (1) can sell hope to the fans, and (2) can echo lots of the posts in this thread and turn him onto Tannehill or better, reversing the Jets' incompetence in developing a QB.

 

And I still say (from other threads going back to last week) that the Deshawn Watson allegations make him MORE Likely to be traded.  His price drops, and the Texans can save face from their "no way in hell" stance by claiming changed circumstances. 

 

Watson isnt going to prison.  He is going to settle the cases and maybe sit a couple games for suspension.  Everybody would take that for a Franchise QB.  Panthers want him for 10-12 years and no one will remember a 3 game suspension way-back-when.

Edited April 5, 2021 by maddenboy

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Physically he's got it. He's a great playmaker from the quarterback position

 

But the Jets are a dumpster fire and they will ruin just about anybody. I would even be scared for Trevor Lawrence going there 

 

Wilson would have been perfect in Carolina, San Francisco, New Orleans... Jets ... Eh , good luck 

 

He plays like he's Josh Allen, or rodgers , but it doesn't have the body for that to hold up in the NFL.. even Rogers has 25- 30 lb on him

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wilson apparently prefers to go to SF (not shocking)

[SydneyBillsFan]

On a side note - I wonder if, even now, there will still be deluded Jests fans claiming that Darnold is vastly superior to Allen.

[BillsfaninSB]

Such a weird QB room with Bridgewater and Darnold.   How will that work?

 

Reminds me of Carr and Mariotta.   Just doesn’t seem to work with a 1A and 1B. 

[Warcodered]

It's too bad with Rivera out of Carolina we probably won't do joint practices with them, Josh and Sam would of had a blast.

 

 

3 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

I'm thinking the Panthers are still in the hunt for a REAL QB.  Darnold gives them a more valuable trade token then this year's 6th and next year's 2 and 4.

 

Spitballing, maybe the Texans are willing to make a move, but not for Bridgewater.  But for Darnold, the Texans (1) can sell hope to the fans, and (2) can echo lots of the posts in this thread and turn him onto Tannehill or better, reversing the Jets' incompetence in developing a QB.

 

And I still say (from other threads going back to last week) that the Deshawn Watson allegations make him MORE Likely to be traded.  His price drops, and the Texans can save face from their "no way in hell" stance by claiming changed circumstances. 

 

Watson isnt going to prison.  He is going to settle the cases and maybe sit a couple games for suspension.  Everybody would take that for a Franchise QB.  Panthers want him for 10-12 years and no one will remember a 3 game suspension way-back-when.

Yeah nobody ever brings up that thing with Big Ben. 🙄

Edited April 5, 2021 by Warcodered

[mjt328]

27 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Carolina must have been thinking that no way do any of the top 5 QBs in the draft reach them at #8. 

 

#1) QB Lawrence, Jacksonville

#2) QB Wilson, NY Jets

#3) QB Fields?, SF

#4) QB Jones?, Atlanta

#5) Cincy

#6) Miami

#7) QB Lance, Detroit

#8) Carolina now have Sam Darnold and will draft a different position.

 

Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones could go in any order but all expected to be gone in the first 10 picks.

Good thing too because rumor has it that the Patriots have been very interested in Mac Jones!

 

Yeah.  I was fully expecting the Jets to trade Sam Darnold and take a QB at 32, so that wasn't surprising.

What surprises me, is that Carolina was sitting at #8 and decided to make this move before seeing which QBs were available at their pick.

 

Everyone knows Trevor Lawrence is going #1.  The odds are heavily in favor of Zach Wilson at #2.

After that, we know San Francisco is taking a QB.  But nobody has a clue which one.  I've seen solid arguments for all three (Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones), and any hints from the 49ers could easily be them blowing a smokescreen.

 

To me, the smart money for Carolina was to wait until draft night and see who drops to #8.  So by making the quick move for Darnold, that tells me that either:

A)  The Panthers were not comfortable with drafting any of the QBs outside of Lawrence and Wilson.

B)  They are pretty confident none of the QBs will drop to them at #8, and the price was too high to move up.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I said before the draft I wanted no part of Darnold. Go back and watch the USC tape. He is fine with a clean pocket. He is awful with any kind of pressure.  

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, nbbillsfan said:

As a bills fan, I love it. I really believe that there is an equally good chance that Darnold is a franchise QB as Wilson. I would have feared the jets much more if they kept Darnold and got a ton of talent to move the 2nd overall pick.

After watching him this year I'm less worried about Wilson. The one throw at his pro day causing so much change is very Trubisky like.