IgotBILLStopay Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) DT Kawann Short Reasons to get him: Was one of the elite DTs a few years ago (on par with Aaron Donald - they both had 11 sacks one year). Has not played the last two years due to rotator cuff injuries - so actually has less miles on his body than his peers. Great familiarity with McD and Beane. Is one of the few compete DTs - can do it all - pass rush, run stop etc. Has had a ton of success playing alongside Star Lotuleilei. Can be a nice role model for Ed Oliver to emulate. With the FA pot of gold drying up for a lot of teams - he will likely be available for less than 5 mill per year. Familiarity with Eric Washington. Reason not to get him: Age. Obada has filled in for him decently - so Beane might think there would be duplication with Obada also being on the roster. Money is better spent on an edge rusher. Edited March 24, 2021 by IgotBILLStopay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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clearwater cadet Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: DT Kawann Short Reasons to get him: Was one of the elite DTs a few years ago (on par with Allan Donald - they both had 11 sacks one year). Has not played the last two years due to rotator cuff injuries - so actually has less miles on his body than his peers. Great familiarity with McD and Beane. Is one of the few compete DTs - can do it all - pass rush, run stop etc. Has had a ton of success playing alongside Star Lotuleilei. Can be a nice role model for Ed Oliver to emulate. With the FA pot of gold drying up for a lot of teams - he will likely be available for less than 5 mill per year. Familiarity with Eric Washington. Reason not to get him: Age. Obada has filled in for him decently - so Beane might think there would be duplication with Obada also being on the roster. Money is better spent on an edge rusher. I thought Obada is a DE, and Short is a DT, I'm not really sure, I'm just asking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said: I thought Obada is a DE, and Short is a DT, I'm not really sure, I'm just asking? Yes. Obada listed as a De but seems like hes done some good work at the 3tech. Short is a bigger more prototypical 1tech more like Starr i believe. I think the injury history is a major concern for the guy. Wouldnt be shocked to see us shore up the 1tech with a mid rounder this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 We need a young 1T to replace Star who is most likely playing his last season in Buffalo. I see us drafting either a Phillips or Basham by round 2. And I could see us using a 5th on a 1T DT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said: I thought Obada is a DE, and Short is a DT, I'm not really sure, I'm just asking? Obada lined up at DT also last year (at least in some of the film I watched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: (on par with Allan Donald - they both had 11 sacks one year). Aaron's brother?? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Imagine being the ex-Panther that McBeane DOESN’T sign. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We need a young 1T to replace Star who is most likely playing his last season in Buffalo. I see us drafting either a Phillips or Basham by round 2. And I could see us using a 5th on a 1T DT. Basham's a bad fit for our defense. Just don't get your heart set on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Obada seems like the Justin Jefferson replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: DT Kawann Short Reasons to get him: Was one of the elite DTs a few years ago (on par with Allan Donald - they both had 11 sacks one year). Has not played the last two years due to rotator cuff injuries - so actually has less miles on his body than his peers. Great familiarity with McD and Beane. Is one of the few compete DTs - can do it all - pass rush, run stop etc. Has had a ton of success playing alongside Star Lotuleilei. Can be a nice role model for Ed Oliver to emulate. With the FA pot of gold drying up for a lot of teams - he will likely be available for less than 5 mill per year. Familiarity with Eric Washington. Reason not to get him: Age. Obada has filled in for him decently - so Beane might think there would be duplication with Obada also being on the roster. Money is better spent on an edge rusher. Being right about Obada has gone straight to your head, huh?! 🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Being right about Obada has gone straight to your head, huh?! 🤪 lol. That it has. That it has. Sry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Y’all love DTs around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Looks to much like Dareus...pass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Basham's a bad fit for our defense. Just don't get your heart set on him. I’m not a “Boogie” fan either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I’m not a “Boogie” fan either Torn on him, because he just oozes the type of under-athletic player who always just gets it done. I think as a football player, in a vacuum, I like him, just not as fit in Buffalo. He's similar to Shaq Barrett when he came out, the difference is Barrett went undrafted, Basham will be a 2nd round pick. Easy to take a chance on a guy like that as a UDFA, but when your bookend DE is also more of a high-motor/lower athleticism guy, I just think that's a recipe for problems... Edited March 24, 2021 by glazeduck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 56 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: DT Kawann Short Reasons to get him: Was one of the elite DTs a few years ago (on par with Aaron Donald - they both had 11 sacks one year). Has not played the last two years due to rotator cuff injuries - so actually has less miles on his body than his peers. Great familiarity with McD and Beane. Is one of the few compete DTs - can do it all - pass rush, run stop etc. Has had a ton of success playing alongside Star Lotuleilei. Can be a nice role model for Ed Oliver to emulate. With the FA pot of gold drying up for a lot of teams - he will likely be available for less than 5 mill per year. Familiarity with Eric Washington. Reason not to get him: Age. Obada has filled in for him decently - so Beane might think there would be duplication with Obada also being on the roster. Money is better spent on an edge rusher. There's going to be a LOT of guys where the following could be copied/pasted as an answer for in the coming weeks... This is a guy who will depend heavily on: market and asking price, health, how the draft shakes out, possibly even how minicamps look... Obviously he knows the scheme (and half the roster! 🤣) very well, so he's plug'n'play, but frankly, there'd really be no need for him if we were to get, say, an Alim McNiel or (a guy several of us like later) a Tadarrell Slaton, later. But sure, worth keeping tabs on in case we go other directions... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Been at his best as a 3t which is not a glaring need rn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We need a young 1T to replace Star who is most likely playing his last season in Buffalo. I see us drafting either a Phillips or Basham by round 2. And I could see us using a 5th on a 1T DT. Looking at the Carolina Panthers depth chart it looks like no 1 techs will be available for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Of our pass rushing DTs we have Oliver, Butler, and Zimmer. Our NTs are Star. Not sure where Harry lands. We need another NT 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: Yes. Obada listed as a De but seems like hes done some good work at the 3tech. Short is a bigger more prototypical 1tech more like Starr i believe. I think the injury history is a major concern for the guy. Wouldnt be shocked to see us shore up the 1tech with a mid rounder this year. Short is closer to Oliver size then Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 40 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: lol. That it has. That it has. Sry. haha— I would be doing the same. That was one heck of a prediction. If there was some TBD off-season award, I would Nominate you, my good man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: Y’all love DTs around here They like saying 1T and 3T. Makes them sound smart. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 No more Carolina guys please, I was fed up after Tolbert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
below Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Kawann and Star do NOT play the same position. They started at DT TOGETHER for the panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, bigK14094 said: No more Carolina guys please, I was fed up after Tolbert. To each their own. I’d rather win with former panthers than lose with former first rounders. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 15 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: Aaron's brother?? Cheaper Mexican Equivalent 9 hours ago, bigK14094 said: No more Carolina guys please, I was fed up after Tolbert. I always liked the way the bowling ball with legs ran.....he just didn't have anything left in the tank when he got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I want a big fat tub of goo for the middle of the D line. If he comes from the Panthers, through the draft, from Mars, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: We need a young 1T to replace Star who is most likely playing his last season in Buffalo. I see us drafting either a Phillips or Basham by round 2. And I could see us using a 5th on a 1T DT. There is no particular reason to think Star is playing his last season here, beyond the fact that a number of people on these boards don't like the guy. Now, of course if we see serious regression - for any player - that's different. But barring that, the Bills like him and if cut after this year they would save very little money. As long as he continues playing well, he could very very easily be here two or even three years. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them picking a 1-tech who's a space eater later. But even if they do they might easily keep Star for a while anyway. As far as Kawann Short, he was a good player and I liked him but ... $$$. Was never a real space eater, more athletic and less of an immoveable object. Edited March 25, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey13 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 17 hours ago, HOUSE said: Looks to much like Dareus...pass It's the 99 isn't it? I'm sure he'll change his number when he comes here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 18 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: DT Kawann Short Reasons to get him: Was one of the elite DTs a few years ago (on par with Aaron Donald - they both had 11 sacks one year). Has not played the last two years due to rotator cuff injuries - so actually has less miles on his body than his peers. Great familiarity with McD and Beane. Is one of the few compete DTs - can do it all - pass rush, run stop etc. Has had a ton of success playing alongside Star Lotuleilei. Can be a nice role model for Ed Oliver to emulate. With the FA pot of gold drying up for a lot of teams - he will likely be available for less than 5 mill per year. Familiarity with Eric Washington. Reason not to get him: Age. Obada has filled in for him decently - so Beane might think there would be duplication with Obada also being on the roster. Money is better spent on an edge rusher. Hell, why not??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 14 hours ago, klos63 said: They like saying 1T and 3T. Makes them sound smart. It does, won’t lie 😎 17 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Obada seems like the Justin Jefferson replacement He’s 30 pounds lighter and 2 seconds faster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 15 hours ago, klos63 said: They like saying 1T and 3T. Makes them sound smart. I see your superior intelligence has found us out 🙄 I don't think football genius is needed to know we more from the DT position than we got last year. If there's a nice pocket for the QB to step into and throw, DE doesn't get home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 15 hours ago, klos63 said: They like saying 1T and 3T. Makes them sound smart. Do you say the same thing about people clarifying guard versus tackle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: It does, won’t lie 😎 He’s 30 pounds lighter and 2 seconds faster. Supposedly he put on weight so that he can play on the inside and that is when he became more productive. So he is really more of a 275-280 guy than the 265 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Do you say the same thing about people clarifying guard versus tackle? He probably saves it for people distinguishing center from guard. I mean they're all interior OL why should anyone expect them to have different skill sets? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 12 hours ago, below said: Kawann and Star do NOT play the same position. They started at DT TOGETHER for the panthers. They were an excellent tandem at the beginning of their careers. Short was demonstrably the better linemen which is why they kept him. Star eats up blockers without a lot of push. Short could push the middle very effectively. Together they made the middle of the Panther’s line immovable. The question is, can they get back anywhere near that level. IF they could, for a short term Super Bowl push, it would be great to have them together. It’s a BIG if!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: It does, won’t lie 😎 He’s 30 pounds lighter and 2 seconds faster. but makes plays inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 19 hours ago, klos63 said: They like saying 1T and 3T. Makes them sound smart. I often throw in 5Tech in sentences as well. Then start to add in offense formations, even when I'm by myself. Can't get enough of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 8 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Do you say the same thing about people clarifying guard versus tackle? Only if I'm making a joke, like I was here. 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He probably saves it for people distinguishing center from guard. I mean they're all interior OL why should anyone expect them to have different skill sets? Jesus christ, can't anyone take a joke. Why so serious? 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I see your superior intelligence has found us out 🙄 I don't think football genius is needed to know we more from the DT position than we got last year. If there's a nice pocket for the QB to step into and throw, DE doesn't get home. Lighten up, Francis. Just trying to make a little joke. JFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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