Reed83HOF Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Too expensive imo Replaces Brown, Roberts and Mckenzie and gives us a legit speed talent. I want Edge bad, but want more speed on offense Pats are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, mathja said: I’m getting a Charles Clay vibe. I don’t know if that’s off-base. They both seem like athletic undersized tight ends. Clay probably got paid more than what he was worth to the team those few seasons. Clay also dealt with any issues. Bottom line, is John Smith on the rise, or have we already seen the best of him? I am wondering what a 26 year old Clay would of done with THIS QB. One would argue 100% more then what QB's he played with prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: So I hear ya and you changed your tune on the money thing which is ok for me I guess but What corner or Pass rusher can we get for 8 mil or less (what people think Jonnu will get) that would be impactful ? I didn't change my tune. I said Jonnu would get top dollar. And I think he will. There are certainly ways that the Bills could make that work. I just don't think it is advisable. I'd rather have Hunter Henry if I was forced to sign a top TE. I don't think the Bills are going to be able to sign a top pass rusher. I think that is going to be left to developing the talent we have (AJ Epenesa, for example) and drafting guys. For Corner, again, I don't think they can sign a top guy. But perhaps they can find a guy better than Levi Wallace, and I would draft one high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Replaces Brown, Roberts and Mckenzie and gives us a legit speed talent. I want Edge bad, but want more speed on offense Pats are that was fast. they over paid lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) Jonnu Smith's numbers by year (year, rec., yds., TDs): 2017 18-157-2 2018 20-258-3 2019 35-439-3 2020 41-448-8 Gerald Everett's #s: 2017 16-244-2 2018 33-320-3 2019 37-408-2 2020 41-417-1 Dawson Knox's #s: 2019 28-388-2 2020 24-288-3 They play in very different offenses. You could make a case that Knox is further along in his development than Smith or Everett were at the end of their 2nd year. I was interested in Smith when first learning about him being a free agent, now I am thinking more that Knox is on the right path. Is 45-450-5 realistic for Knox this year and is that enough from the position given the other weapons/options? I look at passing yards breakdown like this (presuming all healthy) in 2021: Diggs 110-1350-8 Beasley 80-900-6 Davis 55-800-6 Other WRs 40-400-4 (hope McKenzie is part of it) RBs 50-400-3 TEs 55-550-7 That's 390-4,400-34, pretty close to 2020. Add in a better run game and it's high-powered offense again. My point is that the $8 million or so to bring in Smith probably does not align with the value. I don't think him or Everett come in and has a 65-700-8 season. If the Bills can get 100-105 receptions for close to 1,000 yards and 10 TDs from the RBs and TEs that will diversify the offense enough and still get the WRs, their best position group in terms of weapons, the requisite touches they need for the offense to be near the top of the league again. Edited March 15, 2021 by jwhit34 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, MJS said: I didn't change my tune. I said Jonnu would get top dollar. And I think he will. There are certainly ways that the Bills could make that work. I just don't think it is advisable. I'd rather have Hunter Henry if I was forced to sign a top TE. I don't think the Bills are going to be able to sign a top pass rusher. I think that is going to be left to developing the talent we have (AJ Epenesa, for example) and drafting guys. For Corner, again, I don't think they can sign a top guy. But perhaps they can find a guy better than Levi Wallace, and I would draft one high. doesnt matter now HE signed with the patzies lol Lock it mods lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Not good. He is legit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 That's one off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: that was fast. they over paid lol 3rd highest TE? Meh not for that 💸💰💵 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 This is the result of “tampering”, he wasn’t released, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 so now go get Hunter Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: 3rd highest TE? Meh not for that 💸💰💵 DARN STRAIGHT!! So over paid for production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: doesnt matter now HE signed with the patzies lol Lock it mods lol And he got paid big time. But the TE position is super important in NE. And they have cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Wow that a lot of money for him. Not good to see the TE market opening this high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: Not good. He is legit He is a good player. He is not a player that makes a large difference in a wins and losses. Very few tight ends do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbbillsfan Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, 947 said: Titans attempted 485 passes last year (bottom 3rd of the league), Bills attempted 596 (3rd in the league). I'd have to assume he'd have more opportunity with us. That Didn't stop AJ Brown and Corey Davis from both being top 20 receivers in yards. Also, I find it concerning that Jonnu barely outproduced their second string tight end Firsker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Not good. He is legit Cam Newton is not, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Wow that a lot of money for him. Not good to see the TE market opening this high. NO its not. This changes everything. we are going to have to settle this year with Knox Just now, MJS said: Cam Newton is not, though. the right team over payed.. As much as I wanted him. he does not scare me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Possible, yes and again -- I'd LOVE to see it. I just think the athletic TE is too big of a trend in the league right now for him to come to a team that has to do a whole bunch of cap karate to even get in the discussion, ya know? His agent's job is to get him top dollar, so he would have to really want to come to Buffalo, and I feel like we would've heard something about that by now. I do think that it’s entirely possible that he takes a short term (1-2 years) deal in a pass heavy offense to get his stats up before the salary cap jumps back up. It’s unlikely, but not entirely unexpected or irrational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: He is a good player. He is not a player that makes a large difference in a wins and losses. Very few tight ends do. NE literally dominated the division with TEs for years. They make a huge difference in that offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, nbbillsfan said: That Didn't stop AJ Brown and Corey Davis from both being top 20 receivers in yards. Also, I find it concerning that Jonnu barely outproduced their second string tight end Firsker. Yep. I didn’t get the hype with this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I would have loved to grab smith . But that is a lot of money for a TE that's never had 500 yards receiving in a season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Pats wheeling and dealing rn. Overpaid for Jonny Smith. All about upside but he had to prove it. just signed NT Devon Godchaux as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Both Henry and Smith are going to be out of our price range, unfortunately. I think Rudolph or trading for Njoku are probably our best bets, barring Feirmuth dropping to our 2nd rd pick... 4 yrs, $50MIL... as I said, he was out of our price range... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: NO its not. This changes everything. we are going to have to settle this year with Knox the right team over payed.. As much as I wanted him. he does not scare me Never ever would I have thought Jonnu would get that much. Major over pay IMO, and now the TE market may have just gotten a lot more expensive at the top of the FA group than even expected. My guess has always been that if we make a move at TE it was more likely Beane would trade a 5th for someone like Ertz, Howard or Njoku...or wait until the FA market settles and then target a veteran who can help develop Knox more. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Guys thank you very much for a spirited yet fun and honest conversation on this topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) Deleted. Edited March 15, 2021 by Seasons1992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Never ever would I have thought Jonnu would get that much. Major over pay IMO, and now the TE market may have just gotten a lot more expensive at the top of the FA group than even expected. My guess has always been that if we make a move at TE it was more likely Beane would trade a 5th for someone like Ertz, Howard or Njoku...or wait until the FA market settles and then target a veteran who can help develop Knox more. yea at this price setting the market for TE.. I think its not in the conversation any more. we will settle with Knox. Just a gut feeling now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I hope J. Smith can throw the ball to himself for that kinda money (with no QB). 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 J Smith is too expensive. Doesn't look good for Hunter or Ertz now. Bummer because I wanted the Bills to get a veteran TE. Hope it doesn't price us out of a Rudolf/Everett/Howard type. My new hope is trade with Cleveland for K Hunt and Njoku. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: NO its not. This changes everything. we are going to have to settle this year with Knox the right team over payed.. As much as I wanted him. he does not scare me One TE signs and now we have to settle for Knox? Didn’t you say, just minutes ago, that some players might want to play for a ring.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: yea at this price setting the market for TE.. I think its not in the conversation any more. we will settle with Knox. Just a gut feeling now I still think a trade is very much possible, as well as a quality veteran in FA at an affordable price once the top range gets over paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Pats wheeling and dealing rn. Overpaid for Jonny Smith. All about upside but he had to prove it. just signed NT Devon Godchaux as well Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I get the money, but they have no QB and they are known as not being a very fun environment under that curmudgeon Belichick. Outside of cap space and the money here, I’m shocked this would be viewed as a FA destination for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said: J Smith is too expensive. Doesn't look good for Hunter or Ertz now. Bummer because I wanted the Bills to get a veteran TE. Hope it doesn't price us out of a Rudolf/Everett/Howard type. My new hope is trade with Cleveland for K Hunt and Njoku. Do we settle for Hunter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Love seeing the Pats having to over-pay for good not elite talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: NE literally dominated the division with TEs for years. They make a huge difference in that offense. That offense is no longer- Cam can never run what Brady did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 That’s crazy. $12.5M? Goes to show you that NE is having a hell of a time attracting FAs without Brady. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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