Reed83HOF Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Too expensive imo Replaces Brown, Roberts and Mckenzie and gives us a legit speed talent. I want Edge bad, but want more speed on offense Pats are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, mathja said: I’m getting a Charles Clay vibe. I don’t know if that’s off-base. They both seem like athletic undersized tight ends. Clay probably got paid more than what he was worth to the team those few seasons. Clay also dealt with any issues. Bottom line, is John Smith on the rise, or have we already seen the best of him? I am wondering what a 26 year old Clay would of done with THIS QB. One would argue 100% more then what QB's he played with prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: So I hear ya and you changed your tune on the money thing which is ok for me I guess but What corner or Pass rusher can we get for 8 mil or less (what people think Jonnu will get) that would be impactful ? I didn't change my tune. I said Jonnu would get top dollar. And I think he will. There are certainly ways that the Bills could make that work. I just don't think it is advisable. I'd rather have Hunter Henry if I was forced to sign a top TE. I don't think the Bills are going to be able to sign a top pass rusher. I think that is going to be left to developing the talent we have (AJ Epenesa, for example) and drafting guys. For Corner, again, I don't think they can sign a top guy. But perhaps they can find a guy better than Levi Wallace, and I would draft one high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Replaces Brown, Roberts and Mckenzie and gives us a legit speed talent. I want Edge bad, but want more speed on offense Pats are that was fast. they over paid lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) Jonnu Smith's numbers by year (year, rec., yds., TDs): 2017 18-157-2 2018 20-258-3 2019 35-439-3 2020 41-448-8 Gerald Everett's #s: 2017 16-244-2 2018 33-320-3 2019 37-408-2 2020 41-417-1 Dawson Knox's #s: 2019 28-388-2 2020 24-288-3 They play in very different offenses. You could make a case that Knox is further along in his development than Smith or Everett were at the end of their 2nd year. I was interested in Smith when first learning about him being a free agent, now I am thinking more that Knox is on the right path. Is 45-450-5 realistic for Knox this year and is that enough from the position given the other weapons/options? I look at passing yards breakdown like this (presuming all healthy) in 2021: Diggs 110-1350-8 Beasley 80-900-6 Davis 55-800-6 Other WRs 40-400-4 (hope McKenzie is part of it) RBs 50-400-3 TEs 55-550-7 That's 390-4,400-34, pretty close to 2020. Add in a better run game and it's high-powered offense again. My point is that the $8 million or so to bring in Smith probably does not align with the value. I don't think him or Everett come in and has a 65-700-8 season. If the Bills can get 100-105 receptions for close to 1,000 yards and 10 TDs from the RBs and TEs that will diversify the offense enough and still get the WRs, their best position group in terms of weapons, the requisite touches they need for the offense to be near the top of the league again. Edited March 15, 2021 by jwhit34 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, MJS said: I didn't change my tune. I said Jonnu would get top dollar. And I think he will. There are certainly ways that the Bills could make that work. I just don't think it is advisable. I'd rather have Hunter Henry if I was forced to sign a top TE. I don't think the Bills are going to be able to sign a top pass rusher. I think that is going to be left to developing the talent we have (AJ Epenesa, for example) and drafting guys. For Corner, again, I don't think they can sign a top guy. But perhaps they can find a guy better than Levi Wallace, and I would draft one high. doesnt matter now HE signed with the patzies lol Lock it mods lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Not good. He is legit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 That's one off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: that was fast. they over paid lol 3rd highest TE? Meh not for that 💸💰💵 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 This is the result of “tampering”, he wasn’t released, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 so now go get Hunter Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: 3rd highest TE? Meh not for that 💸💰💵 DARN STRAIGHT!! So over paid for production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: doesnt matter now HE signed with the patzies lol Lock it mods lol And he got paid big time. But the TE position is super important in NE. And they have cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Wow that a lot of money for him. Not good to see the TE market opening this high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: Not good. He is legit He is a good player. He is not a player that makes a large difference in a wins and losses. Very few tight ends do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbbillsfan Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, 947 said: Titans attempted 485 passes last year (bottom 3rd of the league), Bills attempted 596 (3rd in the league). I'd have to assume he'd have more opportunity with us. That Didn't stop AJ Brown and Corey Davis from both being top 20 receivers in yards. Also, I find it concerning that Jonnu barely outproduced their second string tight end Firsker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Not good. He is legit Cam Newton is not, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Wow that a lot of money for him. Not good to see the TE market opening this high. NO its not. This changes everything. we are going to have to settle this year with Knox Just now, MJS said: Cam Newton is not, though. the right team over payed.. As much as I wanted him. he does not scare me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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