John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Don Otreply said: A nickel and three pennies... We have THAT MUCH yeaaaaaah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Don Otreply said: A nickel and three pennies... As long as that's a 'big nickel', I'm good. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 9 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: When is the time when we have to be under cap? Is it March 17, so if we sign (or agree to sign) FAs over the cap today/tomorrow we have to restructure our guys also within two days? Correct. I’m sure the groundwork for restructures is in place, possibly already written into some of the recent large contracts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 8:19 AM, aristocrat said: We can restructure a few games and get over 30 mil in space if we want to Guys, not games, right? I don't think we want to. To get $30 mill it would have to be more than a few. And Beane doesn't seem to work that way. While we did those re-structures we've already done, I've been watching the cap for next year go down. Spotrac guesses our adjusted cap for next year to be $216M, and our cap space to be about $33.8M. If you create more space this year, you take it away from next year. I can see one or two more. Possibly even three. I doubt more, though. It's not how Beane likes to operate. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Guys, not games, right? I don't think we want to. To get $30 mill it would have to be more than a few. And Beane doesn't seem to work that way. While we did those re-structures we've already done, I've been watching the cap for next year go down. Spotrac guesses our adjusted cap for next year to be $216M, and our cap space to be about $33.8M. If you create more space this year, you take it away from next year. I can see one or two more. Possibly even three. I doubt more, though. It's not how Beane likes to operate. We'll see. we don’t have to but if beane thinks a guy is gonna put us over the top he can do it. And he doesn’t have to open all that space up just enough to get the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 How much $$$ do we have Left to spend in FA???? I can’t find the number anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, wppete said: How much $$$ do we have Left to spend in FA???? I can’t find the number anywhere. I’ve seen anywhere from 4-8 million. So pretty much enough to sign draft and that’s about it. Edited March 16, 2021 by CaptnCoke11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I’ve seen anywhere from 4-8 million. So pretty much enough to sign draft and that’s about it. There are plenty of options to increase the cap number via restructuring, retirement, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Turbo44 said: There are plenty of options to increase the cap number via restructuring, retirement, etc Yes. We probably have as much as $25m if we want to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: There are plenty of options to increase the cap number via restructuring, retirement, etc Maybe it’s more complex/difficult than Sportrac cap editor makes it seem. Just maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Maybe it’s more complex/difficult than Sportrac cap editor makes it seem. Just maybe. It’s really not. There’s zero reason White, Dawkins or Diggs wouldn’t take their salary this year as a signing bonus. But there’s no reason for the Bills to do it until they need the cap space to sign someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronthebaron Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I just saw that we signed Matakevich to an extension which frees some cap space: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2021/3/15/22332981/buffalo-bills-sign-tyler-matakevich-to-one-year-extension-per-report-news-2021-free-agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Bills are doing a good job so far. No doubt they’ll look at a couple one year rentals for depth, and possibly a couple 2-3 fill-ins. The nice thing is it’s all about positional depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Made it through the first day of free agency without slitting our wrists........onto day 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Well, they made it through three reductions in Morse, Butler, and Addison, but I haven’t seen any restructures yet (kicking the can down the road). It’s not Beane’s MO especially as he had to clean up the mess he inherited. I’m guessing he may ask for one or two more reductions before it’s over. As of now, we have $10.1 mil. In space, but Spotrac projects we need $6 mil. for the draft. Many teams like $5 mil. for an emergency fund for injuries during the year, so it’s a matter of waiting to see if there are any restructures, reductions or releases before we can consider any other acquisitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Well, they made it through three reductions in Morse, Butler, and Addison, but I haven’t seen any restructures yet (kicking the can down the road). It’s not Beane’s MO especially as he had to clean up the mess he inherited. I’m guessing he may ask for one or two more reductions before it’s over. As of now, we have $10.1 mil. In space, but Spotrac projects we need $6 mil. for the draft. Many teams like $5 mil. for an emergency fund for injuries during the year, so it’s a matter of waiting to see if there are any restructures, reductions or releases before we can consider any other acquisitions. I might be wrong, but I think you are misreading this. We need §6M for those contracts, but it does not take §6M from cap space. We already have 51 contracts, rookie contracts only replace some of them. For example, signing of 5th round pick takes nothing from cap space, since his cap hit is less than cap hit of 51th contract currently counted towards cap space. Rookies actually cost us about §1,6M together (mainly due to 1st round pick, who has cap hit of 2M, which is 1,2M more than contract it replaces). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Bills Cap now at $9M. Looks like the Hyde contract came in. Still waiting on the Feliciano $'s and the Dirty Red contract extension. I'm still expecting a vet (30 years old or so) TE followed by a Lee Smith cut/retired along with a DE if one can get the $'s down. A speedy RB/WR may be in the works too. My prediction is the first gets signed on Thursday (maybe late Wednesday but what do I know). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Not sure if Feliciano contract has been accounted for https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jon-feliciano-16854/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 So 6 mill in cap space still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Have a feeling Feliciano's cap hit will be fairly low, maybe around 3mil this year or so. The "up to" $17mil reported ususally means extremely team friendly. That combined w a signing bonus means it shouldnt be too high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 9 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Well, they made it through three reductions in Morse, Butler, and Addison, but I haven’t seen any restructures yet (kicking the can down the road). It’s not Beane’s MO especially as he had to clean up the mess he inherited. I’m guessing he may ask for one or two more reductions before it’s over. As of now, we have $10.1 mil. In space, but Spotrac projects we need $6 mil. for the draft. Many teams like $5 mil. for an emergency fund for injuries during the year, so it’s a matter of waiting to see if there are any restructures, reductions or releases before we can consider any other acquisitions. Spotrac projection of $6M for the draft is silly as far as I know. Maybe $2M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Spotrac projection of $6M for the draft is silly as far as I know. Maybe $2M I think they just give an estimation on what it will cost to sign the entire class. Not factoring in top 51 on teams rosters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: I think they just give an estimation on what it will cost to sign the entire class. Not factoring in top 51 on teams rosters. ColoradoBills did a GREAT breakdown up thread. I reccomend reading it for all that ask about the cost of draft picks against the cap.. Very nice and simple to understand it broken down the way he did it.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 14 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Well, they made it through three reductions in Morse, Butler, and Addison, but I haven’t seen any restructures yet (kicking the can down the road). It’s not Beane’s MO especially as he had to clean up the mess he inherited. I’m guessing he may ask for one or two more reductions before it’s over. As of now, we have $10.1 mil. In space, but Spotrac projects we need $6 mil. for the draft. Many teams like $5 mil. for an emergency fund for injuries during the year, so it’s a matter of waiting to see if there are any restructures, reductions or releases before we can consider any other acquisitions. Also, this year is a bit extraordinary so I don't think we can 100% go by what Beane would ordinarily do. We also need a punter and a punt/kickoff return guy I don't think Beane is gonna wait on restructures, reductions, or releases before he considers other acquisitions. But I also think he knows who he thinks might add value and what he's willing to pay for them, and he won't get "auction fever" and exceed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Hap man I actually hope you’re right. I’d love just one addition. I’m expecting role players after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Also, this year is a bit extraordinary so I don't think we can 100% go by what Beane would ordinarily do. We also need a punter and a punt/kickoff return guy I don't think Beane is gonna wait on restructures, reductions, or releases before he considers other acquisitions. But I also think he knows who he thinks might add value and what he's willing to pay for them, and he won't get "auction fever" and exceed that. I've noticed in the pass that some GMs don't do the restructures until they sign the guy they want. Kind of pay as you go. Plus not having all the cap space maybe helps a little in negotiations with the players agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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78thealltimegreat Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Spotrac projection of $6M for the draft is silly as far as I know. Maybe $2M Agreed a simple trade back into the second round to pick up an extra 3rd or 4th and our cap dollars needed drops a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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transplantbillsfan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Spotrac projection of $6M for the draft is silly as far as I know. Maybe $2M There was an Athletic article with a great Cap breakdown I read a week or 2 ago by Joe B or Fairburn that analyzed our needed Cap space for our draftees and factored in the top 51 on the team and everything and I want to say the number they came up with was $2.5 million. I know it was no more than $3 million. 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: Is this before or after the Lee Smith trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: There was an Athletic article with a great Cap breakdown I read a week or 2 ago by Joe B or Fairburn that analyzed our needed Cap space for our draftees and factored in the top 51 on the team and everything and I want to say the number they came up with was $2.5 million. I know it was no more than $3 million. Is this before or after the Lee Smith trade? Based on the timing, after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Haack - $1.575M Sanders - $6M Feliciano - $5M (1st year hit should be this or a little less) Total: $12.575M Less displacing (Becker-660k, Love-780k, Cam Lewis-780k Total Top 51 Cap Hit - $10.355M Bills Current Cap: $10.618M Beane is all square going into tomorrow from everything I have seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: ColoradoBills did a GREAT breakdown up thread. I reccomend reading it for all that ask about the cost of draft picks against the cap.. Very nice and simple to understand it broken down the way he did it.... Whereabouts up thread? If you don't mind providing directions, kind sir... Turns out working a 16-hour day has me WELL behind in my Bills FA news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Whereabouts up thread? If you don't mind providing directions, kind sir... Turns out working a 16-hour day has me WELL behind in my Bills FA news... On 3/13/2021 at 2:50 PM, ColoradoBills said: I'll "show my work" about the Bills Draft Pick cost concerning the Top 51 Cap is as follows: Every pick that is signed "displaces" a current player already being counted against the cap. Currently those players are making at least $780,000. Round 1, Pick #30--------$2,021,038 minus $780,000 equals $1,241,038 Round 2, Pick #61--------$1,000,327 minus $780,000 equals $220,327 Round 3, Pick #93--------$865,515 minus $780,000 equals $85,515 Round 5, Pick #161--------$734,059 will not count Round 5, Pick #174--------$724,218 will not count Round 6, Pick #211--------$696,650 will not count Projected Draft Pool: $6,041,807 Top 51 resulting cap hit: $1,546,880. To add one thing. The 5th and 6th rounders will carry a small hit even though they are not in the Top 51. It comes from their 1st year share of signing bonus. So you need to add probably another 125k to my total. But, by the time they are signed the $780k displacement should be a little higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 So I'm expecting to hear they converted some salary into bonuses today. Make a quick $12-13 million in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: So I'm expecting to hear they converted some salary into bonuses today. Make a quick $12-13 million in cap space. I don’t see that happening. Allen and Diggs will need new contracts soon and i bet Beane doesn’t want to restructure contracts now and push that money into future years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I don’t see that happening. Allen and Diggs will need new contracts soon and i bet Beane doesn’t want to restructure contracts now and push that money into future years. It's not much of a increase. Won't affect either extension. I'll also add with players like Dawkins and White you can continue to create room. They'll hopefully be here a while. Edited March 17, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdermott Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Spotrac projection of $6M for the draft is silly as far as I know. Maybe $2M If you read the fine print, Spotrac tells you to subtract 660K times the number of picks from the $6M pool because of 51 roster displacement so the correct number is around $2.2M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I don’t see that happening. Allen and Diggs will need new contracts soon and i bet Beane doesn’t want to restructure contracts now and push that money into future years. Agreed, but I still think he will do so if there is a good reason. Like Mack or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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