Doc Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Why? The better the Colts do, the better draft pick. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Why? The better the Colts do, the better draft pick. You think he cares if pick is an early 2nd or late 2nd? If Wentz does well in Indy, it will look really bad on Roseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 First off the Eagles boards think the Bils might give a first rounder for him. There is no way we ever give more than a 3rd rounder for that Re-tread because of his age and albatross contract. Unless he learns to rush the passer he is a no go at that price tag. We just don’t have the future $. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Page count on this thread = proof we’re still hoping to find a worthy replacement for Pete Metzelaars…🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Doc said: Huh? 12 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: You think he cares if pick is an early 2nd or late 2nd? If Wentz does well in Indy, it will look really bad on Roseman. The 2nd round pick becomes a 1st if Wentz plays 75% of the regular season snaps. Best case scenario for Roseman is if Wentz leads the Colts to an 0-17 season without getting benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Roseman just might decide that "Hurts to Ertz...touchdown!" is a great marketing slogan, and decide to keep him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Locomark said: First off the Eagles boards think the Bils might give a first rounder for him. There is no way we ever give more than a 3rd rounder for that Re-tread because of his age and albatross contract. Unless he learns to rush the passer he is a no go at that price tag. We just don’t have the future $. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 A first is downright scandalous. I think a more realistic situation is the Bills would like him for a 4th or 5th and the Eagles are trying to get a third for him. With his contract and injury history a 3rd is unreasonable. If Eagles fans are expecting a first they’ll be very disappointed if an actual deal does get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The 2nd round pick becomes a 1st if Wentz plays 75% of the regular season snaps. Best case scenario for Roseman is if Wentz leads the Colts to an 0-17 season without getting benched. Oh, I thought you were talking about the pick they get for Ertz. But Ertz's presence doesn't change the 75% of regular season snaps thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Doc said: Oh, I thought you were talking about the pick they get for Ertz. But Ertz's presence doesn't change the 75% of regular season snaps thing at all. It wasn't me. Just Joshin had me confused too until I thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Did we trade for him yet? Cmon!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Just now, wppete said: Did we trade for him yet? Cmon!!! Gotta see where Pitts lands first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Roseman just might decide that "Hurts to Ertz...touchdown!" is a great marketing slogan, and decide to keep him. They could get an endorsement deal with the rental car company Hertz.😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It wasn't me. Just Joshin had me confused too until I thought about it. True it was JJ. And I remembered the playing time escalator but not performance escalator for the draft pick, and again, Ertz has no influence over how much Wentz plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: They could get an endorsement deal with the rental car company Hertz.😎 Imagine...two Buffalo Bills having repped for Hertz. 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Doc said: True it was JJ. And I remembered the playing time escalator but not performance escalator for the draft pick, and again, Ertz has no influence over how much Wentz plays. There was no performance escalator. I guess they just figured if Wentz played 75% of the snaps he'd be worth a 1st round pick. You're correct in that Ertz has nothing to do with Wentz. I wouldn't touch Ertz with that contract and wouldn't give up anything above a 6th if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 13 hours ago, Locomark said: First off the Eagles boards think the Bils might give a first rounder for him. There is no way we ever give more than a 3rd rounder for that Re-tread because of his age and albatross contract. Unless he learns to rush the passer he is a no go at that price tag. We just don’t have the future $. I think what the rumor was, is that the Bills would give up their first for Ertz and Philly's second round pick. So, in reality the Bills would be getting Ertz for moving down 7 spots in the draft. It's what I'm hoping for. Secondly, Ertz does not have an albatross contract. Quite the contrary. It is a good contract for the Bills because a portion of it is paid by Philly. I think it comes out to $8mill. It's a deal in comparison to what the likes of J Smith and company went for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: There was no performance escalator. I guess they just figured if Wentz played 75% of the snaps he'd be worth a 1st round pick. You're correct in that Ertz has nothing to do with Wentz. I wouldn't touch Ertz with that contract and wouldn't give up anything above a 6th if they do. Sorry, I meant I didn't recall any performance escalator, and there wasn't one, so trading Ertz to them didn't mean the pick would become better. It would only make the 2nd rounder for Wentz and whatever they trade for Ertz later. 4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: I think what the rumor was, is that the Bills would give up their first for Ertz and Philly's second round pick. So, in reality the Bills would be getting Ertz for moving down 7 spots in the draft. It's what I'm hoping for. Secondly, Ertz does not have an albatross contract. Quite the contrary. It is a good contract for the Bills because a portion of it is paid by Philly. I think it comes out to $8mill. It's a deal in comparison to what the likes of J Smith and company went for. Yeah, the deal isn't terrible. And if he produces like he can, will be well worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soylent Green Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Before I had season tickets to the Bills and Clemson I had season tickets to the Eagles for 15 years going back to the 700 section in the Vet. If the Bills could get Ertz and the 37th pick for the 30th pick they should take and run. You can’t underestimate how bad Wentz was last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Tin foil hat time. Beane usually trades up but instead chose not too and is planning on using those 5th rounders to acquire Ertz today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, DJB said: Tin foil hat time. Beane usually trades up but instead chose not too and is planning on using those 5th rounders to acquire Ertz today. I wonder if that possible trade with NFC team was with Philly before the Basham pick.🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Roseman trading down 3 spots for a 6th rounder and Donahue giving him the heisman when howie comes into draft room to get some self-adulation is priceless. I hope Beane and the rest of the GM’s in on Ertz if there are any call this chiseler’s bluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifter Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, DJB said: Tin foil hat time. Beane usually trades up but instead chose not too and is planning on using those 5th rounders to acquire Ertz today. If the trade will ever happen it would be today. Can't see Beane giving up picks for next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Give them a 5th cut Addison to make up for the $$$ we will spend on Ertz. Problem solved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It would explain taking 2 DEs in this draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: It would explain taking 2 DEs in this draft. There’s no explanation needed. Beane said he was drafting for the future. Hughes is over the hill, and Addison is just okay. Both are young and versatile. How is there still questions? Edited May 1, 2021 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: There’s no explanation needed. Beane said he was drafting for the future. Hughes is over the hill, and Addison is just okay. Both are young and versatile. How is there still questions? So the plan this year is to keep 6 DEs? They have Hughes who is still productive, Addison whose contract they adjusted ostensibly to keep him, drafted Epenesa in the 2nd last year and signed Obada. They also have Daryl Johnson who they've been developing the past 2 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: So the plan this year is to keep 6 DEs? They have Hughes who is still productive, Addison whose contract they adjusted ostensibly to keep him, drafted Epenesa in the 2nd last year and signed Obada. They also have Daryl Johnson who they've been developing the past 2 years. I think Addison is gone after TC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Addison is gone after TC. Someone will have to go. If they can use him to trade for Ertz it will be fine, but cutting him will make not cutting him earlier and adjusting his contract a big mistake. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Addison is gone after TC. That will be tough unless they trade him. Even then it’s not great. He’s already gotten a $1.5M roster bonus and has $2M of his $4.1M salary guaranteed. Cap hits of $6.2M to play, $4.8M to cut or $2.8M if traded. There’s also a $2M cap hit next year that would accelerate to this year if cut or traded before 6/1. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That will be tough unless they trade him. Even then it’s not great. He’s already gotten a $1.5M roster bonus and has $2M of his $4.1M salary guaranteed. Cap hits of $6.2M to play, $4.8M to cut or $2.8M if traded. There’s also a $2M cap hit next year that would accelerate to this year if cut or traded before 6/1. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/ It would be post June 1. Would offset over 5 mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: It would be post June 1. Would offset over 5 mill. Helpful for this season, but that would just push some of the hit to next season. Not worth it IMO unless you could trade him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I’d LOVE this, but is there anything to it? Seems like just pure speculation based on contracts. Do we have any indication the Eagles would have interest in Addison? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: Someone will have to go. If they can use him to trade for Ertz it will be fine, but cutting him will make not cutting him earlier and adjusting his contract a big mistake. That’s not a big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I swear I just saw a crawler on NFL Network that Ertz was traded to the Colts, but haven't seen anything anywhere else. Should I see a lasik doctor? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I’m starting to think this Ertz trade might not be happening 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m starting to think this Ertz trade might not be happening Prob trade deadline once Philly is out and they dont want to lose him for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m starting to think this Ertz trade might not be happening What? He's been traded like 20 times this offseason. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m starting to think this Ertz trade might not be happening If he is cut though, boy that would be an amazing pickup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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