John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Yes he is gonna get paid but Look at all the things he can actually do well....this swiss army knife is literally that and could replace players on the team in different roles actually making him a bargain - Replaces John Brown (if they choose to go that route) - Replaces jet sweep ability along us to replace McKenzie's role - Could serve as the speed back we need to compliment the running backs we currently have Lets not forget that Beane drafted him 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 He played for Carolina? Check. He is fast? Nah. Beane is out.. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Seen him play alot down here this year and hes an animal. Depends on how much he wants, but i definitely like the idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I'm sure lots of teams also like him a lot - if he's given a large contract he can't refuse (length, guarantees, etc.) it won't be with us. But if he's interested in betting on himself this offseason with a short term deal to play in an offense that maximizes his strengths, we have to be atop that list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 - He could be yet another Carolina player hired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 No thanks. Spotrac is projecting him to make $12.4 million per year. Hard pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He played for Carolina? Check. He is fast? Nah. Beane is out.. Beane doesn’t start looking at Carolina players until they are on their fourth or fifth contract in their mid 30s. The Bills are the retirement plan for half of the Panthers organization. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I think he'll be too expensive for us, though he would be a nice addition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He played for Carolina? Check. He is fast? Nah. Beane is out.. He did draft him though (well he was in the room) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He did draft him though (well he was in the room) He wasn’t paying attention, because he was in the bathroom texting McDermott all of their picks according to TBD. Unfortunately, we got ZayDay instead of Samuel. That’s what you get for playing dirty. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: He wasn’t paying attention, because he was in the bathroom texting McDermott all of their picks according to TBD. Unfortunately, we got ZayDay instead of Samuel. That’s what you get for playing dirty. ZayDay is more Beano's type. Runs a 40 in under 3 days. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He did draft him though (well he was in the room) Technically he was still in the bathroom pretending to have the sh*ts after texting McDermott to let him know that he'd have to trade up ahead of Carolina to get Zay Jones. 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: He wasn’t paying attention, because he was in the bathroom texting McDermott all of their picks according to TBD. Unfortunately, we got ZayDay instead of Samuel. That’s what you get for playing dirty. Yep. Reputable sources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Technically he was still in the bathroom pretending to have the sh*ts after texting McDermott to let him know that he'd have to trade up ahead of Carolina to get Zay Jones. 'Mighty Taco' on draft day is never a good decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: ZayDay is more Beano's type. Runs a 40 in under 3 days. That must be why he signed Brown, right? 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Technically he was still in the bathroom pretending to have the sh*ts after texting McDermott to let him know that he'd have to trade up ahead of Carolina to get Zay Jones. Yep. Reputable sources. So you know he was cheating on current team almost as bad as New England? Good thing you were in toilet for I know where you found that very bad smelling crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I like that his last name could also be his first name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Curtis Samuel could replace Brown and McKenzie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 53 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: No thanks. Spotrac is projecting him to make $12.4 million per year. Hard pass. You're forgetting the 'Buffalo discount'. $12.4 million for everyone else, Bills get him for a buck three eighty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Limeaid said: That must be why he signed Brown, right? He thought he was getting Jim Brown. He would have lowered the average age of the Bills running back room. Edited February 27, 2021 by GunnerBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: He thought he was getting Jim Brown. He would have lowered the average age of the Bills running back room. I see yours and BADO's source is same - toilet bowl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Keep Brown on a reworked deal. Let McKenzie and Roberts walk.. That's the best move for the WR group. Go with Diggs, Beasley, Brown, Davis and the kid from Oregon State. Add a late round or UDFA WR that has some return ability and a few other street free agents for camp. Then decide to go with 5 or 6 WR depending on if they have a corner with return ability or not. I'd favor carrying 5 WR and an extra DB that can return a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Yes he is gonna get paid Too rich for us in 2021... Anyone like Dazz Newsome as a 5th round pick for that Return/ WR5 role? Save the $12 m to put towards Williams and a DE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Keep Brown on a reworked deal. Let McKenzie and Roberts walk.. That's the best move for the WR group. Go with Diggs, Beasley, Brown, Davis and the kid from Oregon State. Add a late round or UDFA WR that has some return ability and a few other street free agents for camp. Then decide to go with 5 or 6 WR depending on if they have a corner with return ability or not. I'd favor carrying 5 WR and an extra DB that can return a little. The only re-work that makes sense will require lowering Brown's scheduled pay or player freedom by offering a team friendly extension. I am a John Brown fan but I agree with the take from the spotrac founder in that thread............pay cuts don't endear the player to the team. Better off cutting them and letting them test the market. Beane cut Incognito's pay.........the guard market heats up a couple weeks later in UFA.........Incognito loses his mind and Bills ended up with a hole at guard. Beane cuts Lotulelei's pay.........guarantees his money in return with a rather obvious plan to cut bait after 2020 season........so Star opts out and the plan blows up in Beane's face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: 'Mighty Taco' on draft day is never a good decision... You could leave out “draft day” and still be onto something....but sometimes I am my own worst enemy. 🤷♂️ Edited February 27, 2021 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I'm all for it, he's a perfect fit for this offense. Would much rather spend money on 1 curtis samuel than 4 washed up, average vets that will have 0 impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I like the player but wouldn’t like the signing here. That is a lot of money invested into 3 receivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Too rich for us in 2021... Anyone like Dazz Newsome as a 5th round pick for that Return/ WR5 role? Save the $12 m to put towards Williams and a DE... Funny. I was just playing with one of the sims and was checking him out. Not as fast, but for the savings I would. Was also checking out Marquez Stevenson. But may be better to stick with Mckensie.. Edited February 27, 2021 by LyndonvilleBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ExWNYer said: 'Mighty Taco' on draft day is never a good decision... I think it was Bojangles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Curtis is a hard worker, a loyal team member, and an all around fine person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Curtis is a hard worker, a loyal team member, and an all around fine person. Current slot WR not real excited about this idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 If we were playing madden with the salary cap turned off, I’d totally do it. Is that still an option? I haven’t played in years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hard pass. Nice player. Not a nice contract considering our current roster and cap situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Can’t afford it.. move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Curtis Samuel, IMO, is the perfect FA target for the Bills. I still remember Buffalo media members raving over his skillet when the Bills practiced Carolina a few years back. I also think he's a WR that is very underrated due to the QBs he's played with (Cam on his downside & journeyman Teddy). I'm also of the belief that the Bills should prioritize adding weapons for the offense and making sacrifices on defense to keep our offense strong. I feel like McDermott can get more out of less on the defensive side of the ball, so I'd like to see our limited cap space spent on players that help our offense. Here's my idea of what a Curtis Samuel deal could look like that the Bills could easily fit in cap space wise this yr: 3 years - $34.5M $12M signing bonus Yr 1: $1.5M base ($13.5M cash), $5.5M cap Yr 2: $10.5M base, $14.5M cap Yr 3: $10.5M base $14.5M cap Keep in mind this could be Cole Beasley's last year on the Bills, so I like the idea of getting someone like Samuel who can replace Brown @ the X spot this year......but also a guy who is versatile enough to perhaps replace Cole Beasley @ the slot position in 2022 (the Bills save $6.1M by cutting Beasley next year) I also think a guy like Samuel would maybe take just a little bit less to play with Josh Allen & in an offense where his production could shine. I dont think he'd take a huge discount, but if it's between the Bills @ 3 years - $34.5M or say the Jets @ 3 yrs - $39M I could envision a scenario where he'd prefer the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, Estro said: Curtis Samuel, IMO, is the perfect FA target for the Bills. I still remember Buffalo media members raving over his skillet when the Bills practiced Carolina a few years back. I also think he's a WR that is very underrated due to the QBs he's played with (Cam on his downside & journeyman Teddy). I'm also of the belief that the Bills should prioritize adding weapons for the offense and making sacrifices on defense to keep our offense strong. I feel like McDermott can get more out of less on the defensive side of the ball, so I'd like to see our limited cap space spent on players that help our offense. Here's my idea of what a Curtis Samuel deal could look like that the Bills could easily fit in cap space wise this yr: 3 years - $34.5M $12M signing bonus Yr 1: $1.5M base ($13.5M cash), $5.5M cap Yr 2: $10.5M base, $14.5M cap Yr 3: $10.5M base $14.5M cap Keep in mind this could be Cole Beasley's last year on the Bills, so I like the idea of getting someone like Samuel who can replace Brown @ the X spot this year......but also a guy who is versatile enough to perhaps replace Cole Beasley @ the slot position in 2022 (the Bills save $6.1M by cutting Beasley next year) So in 2022 they will save $6.1M cutting Beasley but will pay $14.5M to Samuel... Beasley has just come off his best season..is Samuel really going to be that much better in 2022? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Yes he is gonna get paid but Look at all the things he can actually do well....this swiss army knife is literally that and could replace players on the team in different roles actually making him a bargain - Replaces John Brown (if they choose to go that route) - Replaces jet sweep ability along us to replace McKenzie's role - Could serve as the speed back we need to compliment the running backs we currently have Lets not forget that Beane drafted him How much do you think he wants to get paid? Spotrac says 4 years, $50M or $12.4M/yr He's a very good player, but I don't think we have room under the cap for another highly paid WR, personally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 For me, we know Josh is our future. Don’t mess around like some other franchises have done with their great QBs by not surrounding them with the best offense that they could have possibly fielded (NE, GB, HOU). Curtis Samuel is a unique player that gives your offense both a lateral and vertical threat. 12 mil may seem like a lot but the salary cap will likely rebound in a year or two anyway before Joshs big extension kicks in. Get Samuel, resign D Williams, draft a couple guards and centers and Kenneth Gainwell and let Josh do the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 minute ago, LEBills said: For me, we know Josh is our future. Don’t mess around like some other franchises have done with their great QBs by not surrounding them with the best offense that they could have possibly fielded (NE, GB, HOU). It would be a shame to end up like NE and not have any success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: It would be a shame to end up like NE and not have any success... Even with all that success Brady still left for a team with great receivers. Get your QB as much help as you can each year. On the other hand no way Aaron Rodgers should have only been to just one Super Bowl. Edited February 28, 2021 by LEBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, LEBills said: Even with all that success Brady still left for a team with great receivers. Get your QB as much help as you can each year. On the other hand no way Aaron Rodgers should have only been to just one Super Bowl. I’ll take just one... Tampa Bay’s demolition of the a Chiefs showed me to value the whole team... not just the flashy skill guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: It would be a shame to end up like NE and not have any success... We don't cheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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