Why Mahomes is Mahomes

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On 2/1/2021 at 1:57 PM, BornAgainBillsFan said:

 

Just because he's likable, that doesn't mean it's not arrogance. If Brady says the exact same things, we start praying the words get lodged in his throat, and he dies of asphyxiation.

Is this a thing? Can this really happen? 🙏

 

If so, do you think they’ll sell tickets to it? 🤔

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

He’s not Kelce nor Hill, but he had more receiving yards in the postseason than anyone else.  He had 14 receptions on 18 targets for an average of 16 yards every time they threw him the ball.  At that pace, he’d have had 1,536 yards over a full season.  That’s exactly 1 more than Diggs had this year.  Hardly “WR2 stats”.

I guess we have some Sammy truthers here.  What’s next bringing up his value as a decoy?  Some things never change.  
 

I was responding to the ridiculous comments where someone put Sammy in the same category as Kelcie and Hill

Then you said he “went off” in a postseason game.  I have the stats to show the the didn’t.  He took advantage as a deep threat playing as the 3rd (or sometimes 4th) option in an offense with Hill and Kelcie. 
 

Sammy at best is a #2.  He was supposed to be Tyreek Hill.  Not the guy who benefits from Hill’s attention 

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

On the 'statue' thing, Marino was no Deadsloe:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/12/remembering-dan-marinos-incredible-streak-of-759-passes-without-a-sack/

 

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Dan Marino owns the NFL record for consecutive games and consecutive passes without a sack, and no other quarterback before or since has ever even been in the same ballpark. Marino got sacked on September 25, 1988 in Indianapolis. He then played 19 consecutive games without getting sacked. He wasn’t sacked again until October 29, 1989 in Buffalo. Between sacks, he threw an incredible 759 passes.

To throw 759 passes without getting sacked is such an insane record that it looks like a typo. The team that has allowed the fewest sacks this year is the Saints, and Drew Brees has been sacked nine times while throwing 304 passes. Marino threw two and a half times that many passes and wasn’t sacked even once.

Marino was well known for his quick release during his time as the Dolphins’ quarterback, and he could get the ball out so quickly that opposing defenses never stood a chance. For 19 straight games, no one could bring him down."

Can we please stop anointing every current player the greatest, please...

Interestingly, that two-year stretch was the worst two year run record-wise for the Dolphins over the course of Marino's entire career (14-18). The Dolphins went 9-10 over the course of that no-sack streak and he threw 33 interceptions in those 19 games. Maybe he should have taken some more sacks!

Edited February 2, 2021 by dave mcbride

[london_bills]

Anytime there is an outstanding player in the QB position

On 01/02/2021 at 7:07 PM, warrior9 said:

You didn't mention Andy Reid, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, or Sammy Watkins.

The guy throws no look passes for goodness sake. 

[Ga boy]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The highlighted is entirely false.    I've heard you state before that the Bills hired McDermott "right before the draft".   Wrong.   He was hired in early January like virtually every new HC and staff are.   Rex Ryan was fired in-season so it wasn't exactly a hurried hiring situation.   And to be clear, at no point before the 2017 draft had they indicated they would not be drafting a QB nor was it public knowledge that Whaley was a lame duck GM.

 

Those are all post-draft narratives.

 

The Bills made a series of poor decisions.........they should have just hired Beane with McDermott and gone to work on evaluating and drafting a QB...........like franchises normally do.    It never made any sense whatsoever to wait.   It made LESS sense for a perennial playoff team in KC with a respected QB to be pursuing a rookie QB than it did the Bills. 

Does anyone have any idea who made the ultimate decision in giving Reid #10?  IF it was McDermott I've always wondered if it was a little payback since I'm sure that Reid wrote him a letter of recommendation when he was applying for head coaching position, since he is part of the Reid tree.  I think by most accounts, Mahomes was not considered a blue chipper at the time - say like Elway, Marino, Manning, etc.  IF if was McDermott making or influencing the decision, I'm sure that Reid sends him a big fat birthday gift every year.  Has anyone ever asked McDermott about it??  Go BIlls.

[Billl]

8 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Does anyone have any idea who made the ultimate decision in giving Reid #10?  IF it was McDermott I've always wondered if it was a little payback since I'm sure that Reid wrote him a letter of recommendation when he was applying for head coaching position, since he is part of the Reid tree.  I think by most accounts, Mahomes was not considered a blue chipper at the time - say like Elway, Marino, Manning, etc.  IF if was McDermott making or influencing the decision, I'm sure that Reid sends him a big fat birthday gift every year.  Has anyone ever asked McDermott about it??  Go BIlls.

Nobody here seemed to think Andy Reid won that trade.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said:

The guy has total self confidence which is something Allen doesn't have.  You can see that in his eyes.

 

You don't think Allen has self confidence?

 

Gotta disagree on that one.  Allen plays w/ almost 100% confidence, imo.  I never see him really hesitate.

 

[Dr.Sack]

I would have liked to play Mahomes without Eric Fischer at LT all game. The Bucs quality DL and physical corner play should be able to do enough to slow the Chiefs passing game. Mahomes will be challenged.

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2 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Does anyone have any idea who made the ultimate decision in giving Reid #10?  IF it was McDermott I've always wondered if it was a little payback since I'm sure that Reid wrote him a letter of recommendation when he was applying for head coaching position, since he is part of the Reid tree.  I think by most accounts, Mahomes was not considered a blue chipper at the time - say like Elway, Marino, Manning, etc.  IF if was McDermott making or influencing the decision, I'm sure that Reid sends him a big fat birthday gift every year.  Has anyone ever asked McDermott about it??  Go BIlls.

If you’re going to throw out baseless conspiracy theories they should at least be believable. Everyone knows who made the ultimate decision...

 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

Nobody here seemed to think Andy Reid won that trade.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

You have to cut Bills fans some slack. This was still in the dark days of thinking first round picks and not QB play were important. 

 

Some have come around with trading up with Allen. Even more with the Diggs trade. 
 

But there are still some poor souls out there rubbing their hands together in anticipation that drafting the 4th best DB prospect at pick 30 will our salvation. 
 

Pity them.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Does anyone have any idea who made the ultimate decision in giving Reid #10?  IF it was McDermott I've always wondered if it was a little payback since I'm sure that Reid wrote him a letter of recommendation when he was applying for head coaching position, since he is part of the Reid tree.  I think by most accounts, Mahomes was not considered a blue chipper at the time - say like Elway, Marino, Manning, etc.  IF if was McDermott making or influencing the decision, I'm sure that Reid sends him a big fat birthday gift every year.  Has anyone ever asked McDermott about it??  Go BIlls.

 

 

Reid fired McDermott in Philly.

 

To add insult to injury he replaced him as Eagles DC with OL coach Juan Castillo.

 

If I was McDermott I'd have never spoken to that assh*le Reid again.

[warrior9]

18 hours ago, JohnNord said:

When he’s healthy he’s a good 3rd option on a team with Travis Kelcie and Tyreek Hill.  Sammy never “went off” in a playoff game.  He did put up WR2 stats.  

 

2 catches for 76 yards against Houston 

7 catches for 114 yards and a TD in the AFC Championship game. 

5 catches for 98 yards in the Super Bowl.

 

Putting him on the same level as Kelcie or Hill is straight up goofy.

I never put him on their level lol. I simply added him as a weapon. 

 

If you seriously don't think the bolded is "going off" in a play off game, you're silly. If Diggs did that, we'd be ecstatic. I'm not putting him on their level but denying him as a threat, and saying he put up good WR2 numbers when he put up Diggs numbers in the AFC Champ is silly. 

 

When he's healthy he's undeniably a threat.

[london_bills]

On 01/02/2021 at 8:25 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

#87 and #10

 

And Andy Reid has pretty much always had good QB's and offenses. He made McNabb a star. Alex Smith had a career year with Reid, Kelce and Hill. 

 

Yes, Mahomes is talented in his own right but he's been eating from a golden plate since day 1.

Mahomes is extremely talented in his own right. 

[Sundancer]

On 2/1/2021 at 3:25 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

#87 and #10

 

And Andy Reid has pretty much always had good QB's and offenses. He made McNabb a star. Alex Smith had a career year with Reid, Kelce and Hill. 

 

Yes, Mahomes is talented in his own right but he's been eating from a golden plate since day 1.

 

What Reid did with McNabb was amazing. The guy was not that accurate. 

 

Only Philly would run him out of town!

[TheBrownBear]

That trade thread from 2017 is really painful to read now.  Thank God that Allen has turned out to be so good, or I might be suicidaly depressed watching Mahomes play.

[Success]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

That trade thread from 2017 is really painful to read now.  Thank God that Allen has turned out to be so good, or I might be suicidaly depressed watching Mahomes play.

 

True.  I can't imagine how it would be if Allen had turned out more like a Trubisky or something.

 

But he didn't.  Leading up to this past AFCCG, there was a legit discussion as to whether Allen was just as good as Mahomes, or even better.  In hot-take nation, that notion is of course scrapped now, because Mahomes "beat" Allen (even though they're not on the field at the same time), and looked better doing so.

 

But Mahomes' team was better than Allen's team in this one.  And while Allen was running from pressure all night and struggling to find even one open receiver, Mahomes had it pretty easy in the pocket and had open guys all over the place.

 

Let's see how things look in 5 years or 10.  It's a good bet they'll have more match-ups like the one last Sunday.  

 

[Mat68]

His father was a pro pitcher.  His natural ability is unreal.  I would argue there has never been a better landing spot for a rookie qb to enter the league into.  The convergance of all these factors have made a perfect storm.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

What Reid did with McNabb was amazing. The guy was not that accurate. 

 

Only Philly would run him out of town!

 

And I totally forgot about Vick's unreal season under Reid too. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 2/1/2021 at 1:05 PM, zow2 said:

Saw him in an interview, and he's talking about how cool it would be to be the repeat champs, etc..  He's excited for it.  He wasn't being cocky or arrogant, but he just has a confidence and swag about him.  The guy is not rattled whatsoever by the big stage and the big moment.  He knows going in that he will play well, it's not even a question.  That combined with his arm, athletic ability and QB IQ, is a pretty lethal combination.  

Brady has a way of rattling you. If Brady is on, Mahomes will have to match scores. The Bucs defense in my opinion with Vea Vita is the best Mahomes will see this year. 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[Sundancer]

59 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Brady has a way of rattling you. If Brady is on Mahomes will have to match scores. The Bucs defense in my opinion with Vea Vita is the best Mahomes will see this year. 

 

Mahomes threw for 462 and 3TDs in the regular season matchup. 

 

 That was the game where Hill had 269 yards receiving!

Edited February 3, 2021 by Sundancer

[C.Biscuit97]

On 2/1/2021 at 3:42 PM, jeremy2020 said:

 

One of those things is not like the others. 

Dude can’t stay healthy and will never live up his draft status. But he was their leading playoff receiver last year and is a threat on the field. He’s been a starter (when healthy) for 3 straight SBs.  Shame he is made out of glass. 

20 hours ago, Success said:

 

You don't think Allen has self confidence?

 

Gotta disagree on that one.  Allen plays w/ almost 100% confidence, imo.  I never see him really hesitate.

 

The only slight thing I’ve say to this and it rarely happened this year, but there were a couple of games where you can tell Allen got rattled.  It happens to almost every qb except Mahomes because he could be down 35-0 and still might come back. 

[BuffaLoko]

On 2/1/2021 at 2:02 PM, Nextmanup said:

We need a thread for this?

 

 Come on, man.

 

 

Maybe if he sees this has gown 7 pages long so far, he gets motivated enough to start a new one selling ¨Why Allen is Allen¨ ... or sort of

[goober]

On 2/1/2021 at 2:05 PM, zow2 said:

Saw him in an interview, and he's talking about how cool it would be to be the repeat champs, etc..  He's excited for it.  He wasn't being cocky or arrogant, but he just has a confidence and swag about him.  The guy is not rattled whatsoever by the big stage and the big moment.  He knows going in that he will play well, it's not even a question.  That combined with his arm, athletic ability and QB IQ, is a pretty lethal combination.  

Got to give you props for the prediction, he was an essential part of a lethal combination 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 2/3/2021 at 4:06 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

The only slight thing I’ve say to this and it rarely happened this year, but there were a couple of games where you can tell Allen got rattled.  It happens to almost every qb except Mahomes because he could be down 35-0 and still might come back. 

 

Well, this aged well.  Mahomes is a great player but he sure looked a bit rattled today.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, this aged well.  Mahomes is a great player but he sure looked a bit rattled today.

Lol i loved the notion in the OP that a guy looking calm answering softball interview questions means he's gonna be calm on the field when his big name players aren't getting open and his offensive line can't pass block 🤣 id be calm too if I knew when a play broke down i could just float a ball near kelce or hill and they'd probably make the play but apparently it's possible to take all that away as a defense  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 2/3/2021 at 5:06 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dude can’t stay healthy and will never live up his draft status. But he was their leading playoff receiver last year and is a threat on the field. He’s been a starter (when healthy) for 3 straight SBs.  Shame he is made out of glass. 

The only slight thing I’ve say to this and it rarely happened this year, but there were a couple of games where you can tell Allen got rattled.  It happens to almost every qb except Mahomes because he could be down 35-0 and still might come back. 

Allen never really looked rattled to me this year except for the first quarter against the chiefs he looked pretty amped up and missed a few throws high.  He's a master of the whole 'everyone on my team letting me down and I have to make plays myself to try to win the game' scenario as thats what most of his career has been so far lol. Mahomes is rarely in that scenario where he can't evade the pass rush and find someone more or less wide open but boy did he find himself there tonight. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Wow...

 

So much hyperbole to reflect upon after such a poor effort today 

Lol the supposed greatest football player to ever walk the face of the earth has now looked pedestrian at best for 75% of the super bowl quarters hes played on a team that is now over the salary cap and his big mega deal kicking in next season.  Listening to Tony romo talk about how he could challenge Tom brady's career resume while the chiefs were getting absolutely annihilated by Tom Brady was pretty surreal.

[machine gun kelly]

I don’t see it as getting rattled rather than he is so confident in his arm and players, he thinks he can keep running back and evade the rush.  His tackles are put in a bad spot, as many know guys like Brady move well in the pocket, but they help their tackles stepping into the pocket.  Not me saying it, but Cosell on matchup the weekend if the Bills/Chiefs game.  In that game though, our edge guys couldn’t get in fast enough and it was our guy Allen doing the same thing.

[US Egg]

Mahomes got beatdown by his daddy:

 

[billsfan1959]

Mahomes is a great QB, maybe, currently, the best in the NFL. However, If what Allen did against Houston last year was widely considered a "meltdown," then this should be the intro clip for all analyses regarding Mahomes' performance last night...

 

 

[Meatloaf63]

On 2/1/2021 at 3:04 PM, ScottLaw said:

People just looking for an excuse because Allen isn't Mahomes.... the best QB in the game. 

I guess being the beat qb in the game sometimes isn’t enough huh???

1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

Mahomes got beatdown by his daddy:

 

If Brady would have faced the pressure Mahomes faced last night he would passed out on the geritol by halftime. No comparison. The beat down was the Tampa oline vs the KC oline. One got it done, the other didn’t.

[wjag]

Loved watching Mahomes look like Sugar High Josh.   He won’t be talked about like that this week, but it goes to show you how a dominant D line can make any QB look average.  He was running wild, throwing wild and looked every bit flustered. Every zig and zag he made he had a Buc chasing or closing in on him.  
 

 

Here’s a new stat for me. 
 

according to NextGen Stats, Mahomes scrambled for 497 yards BEFORE throwing the ball.  Nice.  

Edited February 8, 2021 by wjag

[eball]

Another thread it’s fun to come back and revisit.  This Super Bowl can be remembered as “The Mahomes Meltdown” — running backwards, making desperation heaves...and he STILL had Romo licking his balls.  So much for “Mahomes is Mahomes because you’re never out of it.”  Everyone watching that game knew it was over in the 3rd quarter.

 

For someone talked about as the GOAT as regularly as Mahomes is, tell me the last time a “great” QB had a worse performance on the biggest stage of all.

[TheBrownBear]

22 minutes ago, eball said:

For someone talked about as the GOAT as regularly as Mahomes is, tell me the last time a “great” QB had a worse performance on the biggest stage of all.

Reminded me of how helpless Manning looked against the Seahawks in his Super Bowl loss.  A big bad defense can do that to even the best of QBs.

[zow2]

This game reaffirmed one thing to me (in over 50 years of watching football)... that a solid defense and good coaching schemes can take away or minimize the biggest offensive threats.  The Bucs neutralized Mahomes, Kelce and Hill.  That was the plan, and they executed it.