balln Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, schoolhouserock said: I enjoy watching Singletary play. He has some unique attributes that we don’t see every day. It may be that there are RBs better suited for an air raid offense, which is totally fine. However, there has got to be a way to put Singletary in a better position to succeed. right like giving him juicy screen passes - he either drops them or he gets tackled with the first defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Here I go, when is it that folk will grasp the fact our run blocking was miserable on a good day? The entire run game was an afterthought all season long. Not one of our offensive coaches cared a whole hell of a lot about the run game because we were scoring points passing right and left, it wasn’t until our primary receivers were all injured at the same time that the woeful run game showed up on the coaches radar. This isn’t rocket science, yes both Moss and Singletary are okay RBs neither were very good this past season, both would be substantially better if our O line could run block with any actual consistency. There in lies the crux of the biscuit, in the famous words of Frank Zappa... just sayin, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, balln said: i guess i posted a video a video of felton. if you draft felton , have moss, and thats all you do w RB, keep devin and then based on undrafted rookies or a cheaper vet / would cut devin. I would bet Beane can find an UDFA rookie thats better i had felton as replacing Need a better cost benefit analysis here. Situation: Cut a player who's had some production on a rookie contract with 2 years in this system to use a draft pick on a rookie. Benefits are hopefully increased production and marginal change in cap hit. Costs are, you have a rookie. You use a draft pick that could be allocated toward another position that affects the game CB, OL, pass rush (not in that order). I would not use another top 3 round pick on a RB. Nor do I blame Singletary for Buffalo's inability to run the ball. The root of the issue isn't so much with Singletary, as it is with their OL. He averaged 5 yards per carry in '19 and 4.4 in '20. I would, however, look to find a more speedy complement and competition, but not high in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 You just like Felton because he wears Spike Jones old number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Need a better cost benefit analysis here. Situation: Cut a player who's had some production on a rookie contract with 2 years in this system to use a draft pick on a rookie. Benefits are hopefully increased production and marginal change in cap hit. Costs are, you have a rookie. You use a draft pick that could be allocated toward another position that affects the game CB, OL, pass rush (not in that order). I would not use another top 3 round pick on a RB. Nor do I blame Singletary for Buffalo's inability to run the ball. The root of the issue isn't so much with Singletary, as it is with their OL. He averaged 5 yards per carry in '19 and 4.4 in '20. I would, however, look to find a more speedy complement and competition, but not high in the draft. felton is projected to be a 4th rounder.... also every year you are paying rookies- its a fixed cost each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DJB said: As much as I really dislike Singletary this is a bad take. Hes on a cheap rookie contract so I don't see the point. He can learn to play special teams and be our #3 RB Myself personally, T J Yeldon is the best horse in Buffalos stable. Experienced, drafted higher then both Singeltary and Moss. A very good all purpose back that better fits the Daboll/ Allen high powered passing O with size and WR catching abilities coming out of the back field. Its a no brainer right? think again. Not when you have new regime draft picks stacked in front of you. I think one of the harder aspects of managing a pro sports team is knowing when to cut your losses and move on. To players like Najee Harris, resign Yeldon. (Moss is a keeper) Go bama!, Lets go Buffalo!!! Edited January 30, 2021 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Here I go, when is it that folk will grasp the fact our run blocking was miserable on a good day? The entire run game was an afterthought all season long. Not one of our offensive coaches cared a whole hell of a lot about the run game because we were scoring points passing right and left, it wasn’t until our primary receivers were all injured at the same time that the woeful run game showed up on the coaches radar. This isn’t rocket science, yes both Moss and Singletary are okay RBs neither were very good this past season, both would be substantially better if our O line could run block with any actual consistency. There in lies the crux of the biscuit, in the famous words of Frank Zappa... just sayin, Go Bills!!! To the bolded, just to point out that there were times when the run game was not an afterthought (1st NE game, LAC, Denver) Otherwise, agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: To the bolded, just to point out that there were times when the run game was not an afterthought (1st NE game, LAC, Denver) Otherwise, agree. You are correct, these issues are rarely black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, balln said: right like giving him juicy screen passes - he either drops them or he gets tackled with the first defender That’s what happens when your team sucks as running screens. It takes more than one dude to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Ok, ok...back to the basement for the bag of feathers...(throws chunk of firewood onto tar pot fire). At least you have the tar this time. Finally I don’t have to do everything for you. 😏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Figster said: Myself personally, T J Yeldon is the best horse in Buffalos stable. Experienced, drafted higher then both Singeltary and Moss. A very good all purpose back that better fits the Daboll/ Allen high powered passing O with size and WR catching abilities coming out of the back field. Its a no brainer right? think again. Not when you have new regime draft picks stacked in front of you. I think one of the harder aspects of managing a pro sports team is knowing when to cut your losses and move on. To players like Najee Harris, resign Yeldon. Go bama!, Lets go Buffalo!!! 100% agree. beane and McD will hold on to "Their" guys too much. nate peterman. any carolina panther. that trade for benjamin was awful. theyll hold onto edmunds too and keep spouting 22 and young (i mean i hope he turns into a stud) but yea. thats my overall point. Ruthless. i love that beane kept repeating "be honest with ourselves" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, balln said: Saves us 1.1 million https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/devin-singletary-29110/ Draft this guy. Felton. Converted slot WR > now a RB. Let McKenzie and Roberts walk. This guy is a RB/slot WR/ kick returner all in one. Gotta be ruthless But I bought his jersey..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) They should cut every guy who made a mistake at any point during the year. Every team should. When that happens we should sign Chase Young, Mahomes, Kittle, Aaron Donald and some other guys. Edited January 30, 2021 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, schoolhouserock said: That’s what happens when your team sucks as running screens. It takes more than one dude to make it work. dont know how you evaluate "team sucks" at running screens. teams consistnely are throwing the ball into the ground when its blown up. im saying juicy - when theres no one around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) OK. I think we can all understand what the Bills should do by considering our gut feel at the following time. When Singletary catches a short swing pass. Do you feel a sudden jolt of excitement that he might take the ball all the way to the house? If you don't, and know that is NOT going to happen, then we need a different running back. Edited January 30, 2021 by maryland-bills-fan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, maryland-bills-fan said: OK. I think we can all understand what the Bills should do by considering our gut feel at the following time. When Singletary catches a short swing pass. Do you feel a sudden jolt f excitement that he will take the ball to the house? If you don't and know that is NOT going to happen, then we need a different running back. thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: When Singletary catches a short swing pass. Do you feel a sudden jolt of excitement Yes. Because it means he caught the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 If the Bills really wanted to move on from him, I think he’d have trade value. Not more than a 5th, but value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I don't think you cut him. He costs next to nothing. I am not a big fan of his tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: When Singletary catches a short swing pass. Do you feel a sudden jolt of excitement that he might take the ball all the way to the house? If you don't, and know that is NOT going to happen, then we need a different running back. Not mocking your post. You know who did give you that jolt? OJ in broken field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Marv's Neighbor said: This is something that could very well come back to bite us in the as*. If he gets cut, there's no way he dosn't get offers from other teams. He's a good runner, and receiver, just needs to have a line that can create some running lanes for him. Which brings us to the question, can this line black for any running back? I'm not so sure right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, MarkyMannn said: Not mocking your post. You know who did give you that jolt? OJ in broken field Yes. I was a Bills fan when the electric company was turning on the juice. We don't need a twice a decade player. Just one of the top 2-5 from a typical year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 You don’t unilaterally cut young players that have a record of performance unless it saves substantial money. He doesn’t even save us the $ needed to sign his replacement. That being said - Bring in competition. If he can’t make the team, cut him or trade him in August. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: OK. I think we can all understand what the Bills should do by considering our gut feel at the following time. When Singletary catches a short swing pass. Do you feel a sudden jolt of excitement that he might take the ball all the way to the house? If you don't, and know that is NOT going to happen, then we need a different running back. Yeldon on the other hand in just one small dose, playing in the biggest game of his life gave you the feeling of lightning in a bottle ready to get uncorked and strike. Also made one of the hardest catches of the day IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I really liked Singletary as a rookie, and I still do. I just don't think he gets the ball enough to get going. I also don't think there line is good a running blocking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, balln said: dont know how you evaluate "team sucks" at running screens. teams consistnely are throwing the ball into the ground when its blown up. im saying juicy - when theres no one around him I remember one instance when no one was around him. Fine. He dropped the pass in the big game. Yes, that was bad. 0/1 for 0% on “juicy” screens. (BTW, “juicy” is just as ambiguous as “sucks”) Singletary is not so worthless as to be cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Even from just a cap perspective, cutting Singletary is a bad move, it costs the Bills money. He has a $1.1 cap number in '21. If released, his dead cap $ is about $518k. Right now they count the top 51 salaries. Player 52 for the Bills has a cap number of $780k. So here's the comparison with or without him: Keep Singletary: Cap hit $1.1 million Cut him: Player 52 cap # $780k + dead cap from Singletary $518k = Cap hit of $1,298,000 So cut him and it costs the Bills almost $200k more against the cap vs. keeping him. He may not be the #1 back but they can do far worse as a #2 or #3 and cutting him hurts the cap situation. Bad idea all around. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: OK. I think we can all understand what the Bills should do by considering our gut feel at the following time. When Singletary catches a short swing pass. Do you feel a sudden jolt of excitement that he might take the ball all the way to the house? If you don't, and know that is NOT going to happen, then we need a different running back. Why would anyone bring the ball to me, I sit in the upper deck ??? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I don't think you cut all three if them but you could get rid of Robert's and Singletary and replace them with this guy. You do need a backup plan at kick returner, so I'd keep Mckenzie. I also think that McKenzie can play a Hardman role for us and that's valuable. I think our offense didn't use him as much as we should have in the playoffs. We used a lot of jet sweep motion early and it worked great and then we didn't do much of it in the playoffs. Under no circumstances should they cut McKenzie. He made plays in his limited role as a wr and kr. Roberts will be gone for sure and maybe Smoke if he doesn't restructure? Isaiah has earned the right to stay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, balln said: why? it saves money. its not reactionary. if we didnt draft or sign any RBs yea he can stay. but we have to be ruthless with our roster. time to be honest as beane has said https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-pff-top-running-backs I just don’t think a third year running back on a third round pick’s salary is the cap savings we’re looking for. More importantly, Singletary was good his rookie season. He rushed for 4.5 ypc and had 134 all purpose yards against the Texans in the playoffs. He didn’t just suddenly forget how to play football this year. Fix the run blocking. Fix the run scheme. Moss and Singletary weren’t the problem. Edited January 30, 2021 by Logic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, whatdrought said: You don’t unilaterally cut young players that have a record of performance unless it saves substantial money. He doesn’t even save us the $ needed to sign his replacement. That being said - Bring in competition. If he can’t make the team, cut him or trade him in August. Well said. 3 minutes ago, jwhit34 said: Even from just a cap perspective, cutting Singletary is a bad move, it costs the Bills money. He has a $1.1 cap number in '21. If released, his dead cap $ is about $518k. Right now they count the top 51 salaries. Player 52 for the Bills has a cap number of $780k. So here's the comparison with or without him: Keep Singletary: Cap hit $1.1 million Cut him: Player 52 cap # $780k + dead cap from Singletary $518k = Cap hit of $1,298,000 So cut him and it costs the Bills almost $200k more against the cap vs. keeping him. He may not be the #1 back but they can do far worse as a #2 or #3 and cutting him hurts the cap situation. Bad idea all around. Perfect reasoning. I say the same thing about cap numbers concerning the Top 51 every year and people still don't get it. Singletary has zero chance of being cut throughout training camp and preseason. Just to add to your great points, once the Bills start signing some UFAs and the top 4 draft picks that $780k #52 roster guys will be another 100k or more higher. Once again, people just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Under no circumstances should they cut McKenzie. He made plays in his limited role as a wr and kr. Roberts will be gone for sure and maybe Smoke if he doesn't restructure? Isaiah has earned the right to stay. Mckenzie is a free agent On second thought....don’t cut motor....but he should be battling for the #3 spot instead of the #1 spot Edited January 30, 2021 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Singletary is on a rookie deal. Although I have mentioned Felton in previous posts and think he would be an excellent fit in the offense, Singletary is not a guy you cut for cap savings when he has talent and is on a rookie contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, jwhit34 said: Even from just a cap perspective, cutting Singletary is a bad move, it costs the Bills money. He has a $1.1 cap number in '21. If released, his dead cap $ is about $518k. Right now they count the top 51 salaries. Player 52 for the Bills has a cap number of $780k. So here's the comparison with or without him: Keep Singletary: Cap hit $1.1 million Cut him: Player 52 cap # $780k + dead cap from Singletary $518k = Cap hit of $1,298,000 So cut him and it costs the Bills almost $200k more against the cap vs. keeping him. He may not be the #1 back but they can do far worse as a #2 or #3 and cutting him hurts the cap situation. Bad idea all around. Great we're stuck with him. At least give Moss the RB1 spot and see what we have with A. Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) And what's the point of cutting him? He's a 2nd year player. Maybe let him continue to develop while fixing the blocking and running schemes. He is cheap and young. Keeping him on the roster does not prevent you from drafting or signing another running back. Send them to camp and let them compete. Edited January 30, 2021 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, balln said: 100% agree. beane and McD will hold on to "Their" guys too much. nate peterman. any carolina panther. that trade for benjamin was awful. theyll hold onto edmunds too and keep spouting 22 and young (i mean i hope he turns into a stud) but yea. thats my overall point. Ruthless. i love that beane kept repeating "be honest with ourselves" Well this isn’t actually true... unless you just believe that development doesn’t exist and a player should be cut when they don’t perform to outside expectations immediately.Which in that case you’d be advocating we move on from Josh after year 1 or 2. The majority of former Panthers brought here were 1 and done. They’ve moved on from underperforming draft picks in a reasonable about of time. You’ve got to give players time to improve and grow. It’s not linear either. They’ve made mistakes for sure, but if I’m reading this correctly your premise is just to give up on guys and churn through bodies constantly. Do we need upgrades? Heck yeah we do. Every team does. With that in mind... we are legitimately one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, the ability to upgrade our players is harder than it was 4-5 years ago when we lacked talent everywhere. We have very few truly bad players, it just isn’t possible for us to have so many on a high performing football team. We may lack difference makers, but there’s not guarantee Felton or any other guy someone may suggest comes in and outperforms whoever they replace. Beane/McDermott know they need to constantly get better and I agree. That’s how you stay at the top, but to this point the good far outweighs the bad. To harp on the things you’re harping on is expecting them to be entirely perfect with every decision they make, if that’s your expectation you’re constantly going to be disappointed. Edited January 30, 2021 by JGMcD2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 57 minutes ago, twist_to_open said: But I bought his jersey..... They're saving $1.1 million. Try billing them for it. (BILLing...) 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, NewEra said: Mckenzie is a free agent On second thought....don’t cut motor....but he should be battling for the #3 spot instead of the #1 spot So we lose money if we cut him. So what I would do is promote Moss as my #1 RB. Give him 60% of the touches and hope he doesn't regress like Devin. I'd love to see Yeldon get more opportunities. I just don't understand why a productive player like TJ gets buried on the roster? Kick the tires on Williams and bury Devin as RB4 insurance, like they did Yeldon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 IMO, you can flat out count on Singletary and Brown being gone next year, and replaced with improvements at cheaper Ks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: IMO, you can flat out count on Singletary and Brown being gone next year, and replaced with improvements at cheaper Ks. Going to be pretty hard to find significant savings with a Singletary replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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