stinky finger Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I tend to see him as part of the problem. I remember in his second season reading a story where he was talking about all the marble he had imported for his house and all this other material stuff.............and I thought that was a bit of putting the cart before the horse for like a 21 year old dude.........and back then when you went #1 overall you got paid HUGE. As a friend of mine says...........it's pre-paying the ransom. Sometimes money like that can remove the focus and I never found him to be a great competitor. Interesting. I never heard this. I agree, he was not a part of the solution, yet he has the talent. Competitiveness does not seem to be his calling card, as you've mentioned. Get out from under the Lions doldrums would have to catapult him somewhat, I'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Feel bad for lions fans. Stafford is a stud and if he ends up in SF they are SB favorites. Back to the lions was this the best way to go about this? By telling the world your are mutually parting ways are you not devaluing what you can get for Stafford? I feel like doing this behind closed doors and getting offers with Stafford being in the mix would be more tactful and get the most value. Now you’re telling the world hey if we can’t trade him we will release him. They went from getting a first rounder to maybe a second if they’re lucky. Dude is going to make some franchise very happy for a cheap price. Hope it’s not in the AFC East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Lol imagine a Watson for Stafford trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Washington, Chicago, Indianapolis, and New Orleans are all playoff teams that need a QB. Stafford & a 3rd for one of their 1st rounders. He makes all but Washington a Super Bowl contender. I heard NO won’t have $ for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Stafford is due $20M next season and $22M the next. He's 33 years old. https://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/ Possibly the "arrangement" has to do with signing bonus, which at present would leave Detroit $19M in dead cap after a trade. I would say maybe Colts, but depends upon what exactly Detroit wants for him. I would think a mid-round first would get it done; maybe less. Probably makes sense for the Colts. He's a (small) step up from Rivers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He will go wherever he thinks he can win. Colts would be my first bet and honestly I think he is better than 2020 Philip Rivers. 49ers and Carolina also in play. Good call on niners. I can see them and the Colts as almost perfect landing spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I think Houston will be on the phone...Stafford and a high pick for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Except he is right up there among QBs in the last decade in 4th Quarter comebacks. I think Stafford is clutch. If anything the opposite is true. Too often he plays small early in games which is why they are behind. It is like he is too laid back but once you flick that switch he can go. As mentioned earlier, perhaps he lacks "compete". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Stafford is due $20M next season and $22M the next. He's 33 years old. https://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/ Possibly the "arrangement" has to do with signing bonus, which at present would leave Detroit $19M in dead cap after a trade. I would say maybe Colts, but depends upon what exactly Detroit wants for him. A 3rd round pick is what they will get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Yet another star QB headed to the AFC? This is going to be unprecedented and absurd... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I think Houston will be on the phone...Stafford and a high pick for Watson. That would be great...Move Watson to the NFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I think Houston will be on the phone...Stafford and a high pick for Watson. Not quite sure stafford would be ok being traded to Houston. Even Morrison for Watson...and he has a no trade clause iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I think Houston will be on the phone...Stafford and a high pick for Watson. Why would Watson want to play for Detroit? And why would Stafford want to play for Houston? Talk about not making your life as a QB better... Edited January 24, 2021 by Don Otreply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, ganesh said: That would be great...Move Watson to the NFC Yeah, that’s going to huge. I could totally see Houston being so stupid as to trade him to an afc team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 49ers Giants Washington got to be in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Don Otreply said: Why would Watson want to play for Detroit? And why would Stafford want to play for Houston? Talk about not making your life a a QB better... Yeah, little to no chance of this happening imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I would imagine Indy, San Fran, and New England are the most likely to pursue Stafford. Wouldn’t be surprised if all of them offer their first round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Why would Watson want to play for Detroit? And why would Stafford want to play for Houston? Talk about not making your life as a QB better... That's a very good point...Watson supposedly has a no-trade clause in his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: As mentioned earlier, perhaps he lacks "compete". I think he is a competitor. I just think it seems to take some adversity for him to find that setting. He is a guy who is better down 27-17 entering the 4th than he is at 0-0. 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: 49ers Giants Washington got to be in here Be surprised on the Giants. Think they are sticking with Jones one more year. Wrongly in my view but there you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, ganesh said: A 3rd round pick is what they will get. Bills got a 3rd for Tyrod. We will have to wait and see what happens with current QBs in the offseason to even put a worth on Stafford but it will be a lot higher than a 3rd IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I think he is a competitor. I just think it seems to take some adversity for him to find that setting. He is a guy who is better down 27-17 entering the 4th than he is at 0-0. A tough way to make a living. It's nice to know he's capable of a comeback. I just wouldn't want to rely on that recipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: A tough way to make a living. It's nice to know he's capable of a comeback. I just wouldn't want to rely on that recipe. Indeed. Detroit is a mess though and has been a mess for a while. They are more dysfunctional than the Jets in my opinion. Only the Benglas are more poorly run in the whole NFL. I don't give Stafford a pass by any means but if I start writing a list of the Lions' issues I am into double figures before I get to Stafford. And it starts with the Ford family. Edited January 24, 2021 by GunnerBill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Every year NE recycles another vet is a year we dominate them. I’m all for this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Except he is right up there among QBs in the last decade in 4th Quarter comebacks. I think Stafford is clutch. If anything the opposite is true. Too often he plays small early in games which is why they are behind. It is like he is too laid back but once you flick that switch he can go. Lived in MI from 2011-2016, so saw more than my share of Lions games. He always struck me as really talented, athletically reminded me a lot of Jim Kelly, he’s just not a leader, which was Kelly’s biggest asset... or at least not enough of a leader to overcome the lack of organization and discipline that defines that club. He could never get that team to rally around him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, transient said: Lived in MI from 2011-2016, so saw more than my share of Lions games. He always struck me as really talented, athletically reminded me a lot of Jim Kelly, he’s just not a leader, which was Kelly’s biggest asset... or at least not enough of a leader to overcome the lack of organization and discipline that defines that club. He could never get that team to rally around him. I think the bit I bolded is the nail smacked on the head. He is not a strong enough personality to drag that franchise kicking and screaming out of its deep seated dysfunction based on the undeniable talent in his right arm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Omg Matt Stafford!!! Everyone be afraid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 He's a lesser Drew Bledsoe. I'd welcome facing him twice a year in the AFC East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 They have been holding each other back for years. About time this happened. Hope Stafford goes to Indy. Think it is his best shot to improve his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think he is a competitor. I just think it seems to take some adversity for him to find that setting. He is a guy who is better down 27-17 entering the 4th than he is at 0-0. Be surprised on the Giants. Think they are sticking with Jones one more year. Wrongly in my view but there you are. We will see I guess. It’s easy to say that before quality options present themselves. I live an hour away from MetLife stadium and hear plenty about the Giants. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were thinking about bringing in another guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 You can win a championship with Stafford. San Francisco, Chicago, New Orleans, and Indianapolis could all win a Super Bowl with him as their QB. I see him heading to San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Colts, Broncos, 49ers, and Bears all make sense as teams who are a QB away from competing. Doubt they flip him in division, probably not in conference either. Colts and Broncos make the most sense. Pats don't make a ton of sense- they have so many holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Colts make the most sense. In a dome and they're coming off a playoff season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsVet said: Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, now Matt Stafford. As bad as Buffalo has had it (until recently) Detroit has been exponentially worse. Hope he finds a team he can be in the post-season with. Great place for Deshaun Watson to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 You know how Allen can take over a game, get that look in his eyes and will the team to victory? We’ve seen it numerous times already in his still-young career. Stafford never does that. My Lions fan friends have been waiting and waiting and waiting to see some magic from him and it’s never come. He’s tough, but he’s not a leader. He’s not a winner. He’s not Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, BITE ME said: You can win a championship with Stafford. San Francisco, Chicago, New Orleans, and Indianapolis could all win a Super Bowl with him as their QB. I see him heading to San Francisco. New Orleans couldn’t get him under the cap without decimating their roster more than they’re already going to have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 People thought tannehill was done but turned out it was just bad coaching and management. The colts and their o line and run game give stafford more help than he ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 This has Denver written all over it. Denver gets a bridge QB that can help out Lock and John Elway can maintain his 'new position' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 @FireChans I know about his fourth quarter comebacks. So don’t. They usually come after he’s played poorly for 3+ quarters. He’s a perennial disappointment. With his talent he should take over games and he never ever does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Trade them Barkley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: @FireChans I know about his fourth quarter comebacks. So don’t. They usually come after he’s played poorly for 3+ quarters. He’s a perennial disappointment. With his talent he should take over games and he never ever does. What I will say is that the Detroit Lions lose games for lots of reasons and they win games because of Matt Stafford. They have had mediocre talent at almost every position but WR for basically his entire career there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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