Beast Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL. WR don’t need to get open in a passing offense. Really? He just loves when the Bills lose. Absolutely loves it. Don’t attempt to talk sense with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Knew this thread was ridiculously premature, Mahomes was calm as a cucumber. Allen looked like a nervous wreck for much of the game. Allen was running for his life for most of the game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If Allen wants to take his game to the next level he needs to make faster decisions against pressure. There's a point where the 10 yard sacks are happening too frequently for the offense to stay on schedule. That is the last piece of hero ball he needs to get out of his system. The problem is tonight he had to play hero ball because no one around him stepped up. yep. esp. the last part. the Kc D just teed off on our passing game because we have no running game. and the OL was a disaater. Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen was running for his life for most of the game. OL was a disaster. Nice of them to back Allen up at the end, but how about blocking those guys to begin with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Actually, @ScottLaw is right about Allen tonight. He should have had three picks, and my god — the constant 15-20 yard sacks. That is *always* bad quarterbacking, and their frequency (especially in the postseason) makes this officially a problem. Having said this, aAllen is elite and a franchise qb. I look forward to watching him for a long time to come. Yep. They gotta fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Mahomes could end up the GOAT. If he wins vs Brady in 2 weeks he has 2 rings by age 26 and a winning record vs Brady head to head. He'll also have the stats. Passing records will all fall. Don't forget the league wants to add a 17th game. Eventually the salary cap will catch up with KC Edited January 25, 2021 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I agree. Dude is great. I love him as a QB. He’s no Mahomes. It’s not even close. Mahomes is on another level. Guy is calm, cool, collected. Allen looked tight and nervous for the first quarter and a half. Chiefs went down 9 and Mahomes didn’t flinch. Hopefully he learns to get there with experience. Unfortunately, we are now going to hear a LOT of trite bull crap like Josh "needs to learn how to win the big games" and this sort of thing. He needs to improve his quarterbacking. He has had the huge sack problem since the very beginning, and yet it still resurfaced again tonight, in his most recent game. That is disheartening. It's his move of turning and running straight back, away from the line of scrimmage, toward his own end zone. He tries to do too much with a defensive player draped all over him and ends up taking a 20 yard sack. It's like his notion of what is a "dangerous" amount of pressure is out of whack. He doesn't get that the play is a total disaster early enough. We have seen him, on occasion, NOT to do this and he will quickly throw the ball away, clearly showing he has learned the lesson. So the fact that he sometimes remembers and some times does not again is disheartening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I agree. Dude is great. I love him as a QB. He’s no Mahomes. It’s not even close. Mahomes is on another level. Guy is calm, cool, collected. Allen looked tight and nervous for the first quarter and a half. Chiefs went down 9 and Mahomes didn’t flinch. Hopefully he learns to get there with experience. If you punch the Rat in the face, he will no longer be calm, cool, and collected. That didn’t happen...again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If Allen wants to take his game to the next level he needs to make faster decisions against pressure. There's a point where the 10 yard sacks are happening too frequently for the offense to stay on schedule. That is the last piece of hero ball he needs to get out of his system. The problem is tonight he had to play hero ball because no one around him stepped up. Not one player stepped up. Our WRs suddenly couldn't beat man, the OL was a hot mess and Singletary should be left in KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Dude Allen sucked tonight. Regardless of who was and wasn’t open. He sucked. He had at least 5-6 different guys drop balls, his OLine played its worst game of the year and Daboll got his ass handed to him by Spagnuolo. The boy had zero help out there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rico said: If you punch the Rat in the face, he will no longer be calm, cool, and collected. That didn’t happen...again. Zero pass rush, none, nadda, zilch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Unfortunately, we are now going to hear a LOT of trite bull crap like Josh "needs to learn how to win the big games" and this sort of thing. He needs to improve his quarterbacking. He has had the huge sack problem since the very beginning, and yet it still resurfaced again tonight, in his most recent game. That is disheartening. It's his move of turning and running straight back, away from the line of scrimmage, toward his own end zone. He tries to do too much with a defensive player draped all over him and ends up taking a 20 yard sack. It's like his notion of what is a "dangerous" amount of pressure is out of whack. He doesn't get that the play is a total disaster early enough. We have seen him, on occasion, NOT to do this and he will quickly throw the ball away, clearly showing he has learned the lesson. So the fact that he sometimes remembers and some times does not again is disheartening. The problem is his blocking. I get no one like those big sacks but I'm not clear on what Josh is supposed to do once he's wrapped up? Throw it away? That's a grounding call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Simon said: He had at least 5-6 different guys drop balls, his OLine played its worst game of the year and Daboll got his ass handed to him by Spagnola. The boy had zero help out there. The fact that others around him also had a bad game doesn't improve the quality of his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Unfortunately, we are now going to hear a LOT of trite bull crap like Josh "needs to learn how to win the big games" and this sort of thing. He needs to improve his quarterbacking. He has had the huge sack problem since the very beginning, and yet it still resurfaced again tonight, in his most recent game. That is disheartening. It's his move of turning and running straight back, away from the line of scrimmage, toward his own end zone. He tries to do too much with a defensive player draped all over him and ends up taking a 20 yard sack. It's like his notion of what is a "dangerous" amount of pressure is out of whack. He doesn't get that the play is a total disaster early enough. We have seen him, on occasion, NOT to do this and he will quickly throw the ball away, clearly showing he has learned the lesson. So the fact that he sometimes remembers and some times does not again is disheartening. Not many people wind up in the situation Mahomes is in either remember Andy Reid Kevin Kolb into a starting QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: The problem is his blocking. I get no one like those big sacks but I'm not clear on what Josh is supposed to do once he's wrapped up? Throw it away? That's a grounding call. Intentional grounding is much better than running backwards for 35 yards. He needs to get plant his butt on the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: OL was a disaster. Nice of them to back Allen up at the end, but how about blocking those guys to begin with. Agreed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I agree. Dude is great. I love him as a QB. He’s no Mahomes. It’s not even close. Mahomes is on another level. Guy is calm, cool, collected. Allen looked tight and nervous for the first quarter and a half. Chiefs went down 9 and Mahomes didn’t flinch. Hopefully he learns to get there with experience. I'm gonna go back a ways here - reminds me of what we saw in Super Bowl XXIII. 49ers with Montana, Bengals with Boomer. Bengals had defeated the Bills in the AFC Championship. Boomer was the MVP. On paper they were the more dominant team. And then Boomer looked like a deer caught in the headlights while Montana was ... Montana. Oh, the Bengals made a run and made it look respectable, but anyone who watched that game had to admit it: Montana was one of the very best to ever play the game. Boomer was a talented guy with some excellent offensive talent around him and an innovative offensive scheme. The Bills did what they were supposed to do this year, moving up another level or two. And Allen may certainly perform better if and when he gets there again. But sometimes you never do get there again. Boomer never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Comebackkid said: Intentional grounding is much better than running backwards for 35 yards. He needs to get plant his butt on the ground That's the competitor in him fighting to the end. He still needs to learn to take his checkdowns more. 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm gonna go back a ways here - reminds me of what we saw in Super Bowl XXIII. 49ers with Montana, Bengals with Boomer. Bengals had defeated the Bills in the AFC Championship. Boomer was the MVP. On paper they were the more dominant team. And then Boomer looked like a deer caught in the headlights while Montana was ... Montana. Oh, the Bengals made a run and made it look respectable, but anyone who watched that game had to admit it: Montana was one of the very best to ever play the game. Boomer was a talented guy with some excellent offensive talent around him and an innovative offensive scheme. The Bills did what they were supposed to do this year, moving up another level or two. And Allen may certainly perform better if and when he gets there again. But sometimes you never do get there again. Boomer never did. I hope you're wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's the competitor in him fighting to the end. He needs to learn to take his checkdowns more. I hope you're wrong. On that we agree 100%. My hope is we're more like the Bills that lost the AFC Championship game to the Bengals. We were on the way up. Edited January 25, 2021 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's the competitor in him fighting to the end. He needs to learn to take his checkdowns more. agreed. and hopefully a better RB and line will help him do that next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 If you’re using this game as an example to the contrary...I’m sorry but you just don’t get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm gonna go back a ways here - reminds me of what we saw in Super Bowl XXIII. 49ers with Montana, Bengals with Boomer. Bengals had defeated the Bills in the AFC Championship. Boomer was the MVP. On paper they were the more dominant team. And then Boomer looked like a deer caught in the headlights while Montana was ... Montana. Oh, the Bengals made a run and made it look respectable, but anyone who watched that game had to admit it: Montana was one of the very best to ever play the game. Boomer was a talented guy with some excellent offensive talent around him and an innovative offensive scheme. The Bills did what they were supposed to do this year, moving up another level or two. And Allen may certainly perform better if and when he gets there again. But sometimes you never do get there again. Boomer never did. well, this wins true yet depressing post of the night. that said, I like Allen more than Boomer and we have a GM who may be better than Polian. I like our odds of catching and beating KC. Edited January 25, 2021 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/22/2021 at 11:18 AM, BuffaloButt said: When Josh wins the Super Bowl this year I'll agree! Alas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: well, this wins true yet depressing post of the night. I'm brightening up here. I reminded myself that the Bills that lost that AFC Championship won the next 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I agree. Dude is great. I love him as a QB. He’s no Mahomes. It’s not even close. Mahomes is on another level. Guy is calm, cool, collected. Allen looked tight and nervous for the first quarter and a half. Chiefs went down 9 and Mahomes didn’t flinch. Hopefully he learns to get there with experience. It’s easy to look calm when your go to targets are running open on every play. Just saying. We seen Allen look calm a lot this year as well when his guys were running open but that just wasn’t the case today for us. They had a game plan to stop our strength while we had a game plan to slow their strength down by giving them easy completions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: To many times a receiver is standing there wide open but he's waiting for something deep and pressure gets to him and he makes a bad decision. He swore he learned after Texans last year but it still resurfaces. He does have a tendency to do that a bit too much. I just don't think it was the main problem tonight. I thought the one 3 and out drive where he almost threw a pick then a high pass to Diggs was his one awful drive of the game. Other than that it was shades of the 2019 offense where he was forced to do everything on his own. KC makes it look easy. Their pass catchers find soft spots in the zone and sit there. Meanwhile Daboll is calling the same long developing crossing routes or another stupid run that everyone knows will fail. Notice how the whole game Bills were dropping into deep zones just like KC, so KC's offense responded with quick short throws that left room for YAC. We finally started doing this in the 4th quarter but it was way too late. Allen was a little impatient early on but he didn't always have an option available to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm gonna go back a ways here - reminds me of what we saw in Super Bowl XXIII. 49ers with Montana, Bengals with Boomer. Bengals had defeated the Bills in the AFC Championship. Boomer was the MVP. On paper they were the more dominant team. And then Boomer looked like a deer caught in the headlights while Montana was ... Montana. Oh, the Bengals made a run and made it look respectable, but anyone who watched that game had to admit it: Montana was one of the very best to ever play the game. Boomer was a talented guy with some excellent offensive talent around him and an innovative offensive scheme. The Bills did what they were supposed to do this year, moving up another level or two. And Allen may certainly perform better if and when he gets there again. But sometimes you never do get there again. Boomer never did. I’m not even sure why you would bring up Boomer Esiason as a comparison with Josh Allen since there games are so different. Boomer never got there again, true.....but the guy Boomer beat in the AFC Championship sure made it back again, didn’t he? Again, and again, and again, and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm brightening up here. I reminded myself that the Bills that lost that AFC Championship won the next 4. no they lost in the year after in opening round...then won the 4 straight when they unleashed the kelly no huddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Beast said: I’m not even sure why you would bring up Boomer Esiason as a comparison with Josh Allen since there games are so different. Boomer never got there again, true.....but the guy Boomer beat in the AFC Championship sure made it back again, didn’t he? Again, and again, and again, and again. Very true. And I edited my post to include that little fact. I think I'm just commenting on the OP here - namely, that Allen may have caught or even passed Mahomes. That seemed like a reasonable assessment a couple weeks ago. It doesn't today. Allen is excellent and we should be glad we've got him. Mahomes is on pace to be the GOAT, or awfully close to it. 2 minutes ago, Tcali said: no they lost in the year after in opening round...then won the 4 straight when they unleashed the kelly no huddle Good. Maybe there's more time on that growth curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I’m all for another WR early in the draft... Me too. I'm not satisfied with Brown and Davis. The Chiefs have 2 elite offensive weapons outside of Mahomes. The Bills have 1. No defensive player in the draft is going to help us beat KC next year. Need another weapon that can help us keep up with their offense. It doesn't have to be a WR, I'd gladly take a RB or even TE if they can run fast and catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Me too. I'm not satisfied with Brown and Davis. The Chiefs have 2 elite offensive weapons outside of Mahomes. The Bills have 1. No defensive player in the draft is going to help us beat KC next year. Need another weapon that can help us keep up with their offense. It doesn't have to be a WR, I'd gladly take a RB or even TE if they can run fast and catch the ball. Is an offensive player? The Chiefs punted once all game. 6 drives with points, 5 of them TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Is an offensive player? The Chiefs punted once all game. 6 drives with points, 5 of them TD's. When the Chiefs are at their best there isn't a defense in history that can stop them. The best bet is to keep up on offense and slow their offense as best you can. They are the one team in the league that no matter what you do sometimes it will take a shootout to beat them. It would be nice if we had a Bosa or Garrett but you need a top 2 pick to get players like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Is an offensive player? The Chiefs punted once all game. 6 drives with points, 5 of them TD's. Yeah not sure why anyone would want an O player. Even the time they punted it was a clean drop by Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, HappyDays said: When the Chiefs are at their best there isn't a defense in history that can stop them. The best bet is to keep up on offense and slow their offense as best you can. They are the one team in the league that no matter what you do sometimes it will take a shootout to beat them. It would be nice if we had a Bosa or Garrett but you need a top 2 pick to get players like that. You simply cannot let them score 6 drives straight. I agree that the offense and defense both need upgrading because sometimes you need to match a shootout, but we need a pass rusher that can get their QB off platform. We are missing a passrusher in a big way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: I agree that the offense and defense both need upgrading because sometimes you need to match a shootout, but we need a pass rusher that can get their QB off platform. We are missing a passrusher in a big way. The chance of finding a pass rusher that immediately improves the defense that late in the draft is minimal. We should have a few options in free agency. JJ Watt, Leonard Williams, Hendrickson, Clowney, Ngakoue... we can sign an immediate impact player. Offensive rookies are more plug and play, especially RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: The chance of finding a pass rusher that immediately improves the defense that late in the draft is minimal. We should have a few options in free agency. JJ Watt, Leonard Williams, Hendrickson, Clowney, Ngakoue... we can sign an immediate impact player. Offensive rookies are more plug and play, especially RBs. ??? You don't draft to immediately fill needs. That's what bad teams do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Did Mahomes even get knocked down tonight? Sacked? Running for his life in 2 seconds or less at all? Felt like Allen was every other play. He can't keep taking sacks for minus 18 yards. But that he does evade a lot of those rushes most of the time. And I don't want that coached out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Again it’s not even close. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: Again it’s not even close. Actually it's very close. By the end of next season you won't be able to tell the difference between Mahomes & Allen. And that's not disrespecting Mahomes in any way. I believe he's the best QB in the NFL. This is about how much Allen has improved, the fantastic physical tools he brings to the position and the expected further improvements in Allen's game from now to next season. I truly believe that next season Allen & Mahomes will be the consensus picks as the best QB's in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I didn't see Mahomes run backwards 10 or even 5 yards once last night..... look Allen is great, Mahomes is just way above every other QB. Mahomes is also unbelievably calm no matter the circumstances. Allen was a nervous wreck last night. You can't really compare the circumstances. We didn't really have a pass rush yesterday, and KC did. Allen was under much more pressure than Mahomes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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