Orlando Tim Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, warrior9 said: Yes but they were playing from behind so much so he was throwing a ton and defenses in softer coverage. I'm not saying he's not good by any stretch... I just think his numbers MAY have been inflated. This is a very similar situation to someone like a Stafford. Great QB, awful organization and talent around him. Be careful with this line- I was ripped apart for pointing this out in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, Doc said: I heard this on the way home. I guess people don't understand a little thing called the salary cap. Even if trading-away a great young talent at QB weren't dumb enough. His contract is tradeable. So its not like no one has heard of the cap. I see people mentioning teams like Pats here though, and yeah, then there are cap issues. But Jets, Miami, and Jags can easily do it. Houston takes a hit this year, much like Beane did took a hit one year on the cap before he headed into a clean cap as they ramped up their rebuild. So while you are right to an extent about the cap, you're also wrong about how you are suggesting its not possible here because of it, as it definitely is possible. Doesn't mean its gonna happen, just saying the cap is not an accurate reason to say it 100% wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I guess it's possible that Bill Belichick musters the last of his dark sorcery to trick the Texans into trading Watson to him. Apart from that I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, 17islongenough said: Either way Texans are screwed. You keep him you have nothing around him and nothing to build around him. You trade him away you can get players but wont have a QB. Caserio has a tough road ahead of him. It takes 1-2 good drafts and a few FA pickups to completely retool on the fly.. you don't need 5 year rebuilds anymore in this league. They have the most difficult piece to find already at QB and would be insane to trade him to "start over". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Be careful with this line- I was ripped apart for pointing this out in another thread. That's fine. It's the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: His contract is tradeable. So its not like no one has heard of the cap. I see people mentioning teams like Pats here though, and yeah, then there are cap issues. But Jets, Miami, and Jags can easily do it. Houston takes a hit this year, much like Beane did took a hit one year on the cap before he headed into a clean cap as they ramped up their rebuild. So while you are right to an extent about the cap, you're also wrong about how you are suggesting its not possible here because of it, as it definitely is possible. Doesn't mean its gonna happen, just saying the cap is not an accurate reason to say it 100% wont. Here's a decent breakdown of all https://www.profootballnetwork.com/top-deshaun-watson-landing-spots-if-traded-2021/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, MJS said: I guess it's possible that Bill Belichick musters the last of his dark sorcery to trick the Texans into trading Watson to him. Apart from that I don't see it. Where did the new Texans GM come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I put 20% because with everything that has gone on around that team, whether who was in charge then or now, you just never know. And Watson could also try to force his way out. I read an article about this today on PFT and they said the cap hit would be around $21,000,000 if they traded him, even with him just signing the new deal. If he becomes a malcontent, and they can get a king's ransom for him on the market, then it could possibly happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 38 minutes ago, Doc said: I still don't see it. He proved this year he's a top-5 QB even without a stud WR. Moving him would be the height of stupidity. No but after 2022 if they are a mess it is feasible. Not saying it will happen, but it is feasible if he really tries to force it kinda Carson Palmer style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 The Jets will stick with Sam. He is much better than perceived, he just needs stability and some talent. Not sure the Jets will know how to give him either though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: Nobody is trading QB’s of this quality. It doesn’t happen. Older vets like Stafford sure, Watson not happening. JA never being traded in next 5-10 years. True. I can't even recall an instance of an elite QB in his prime years getting traded. That even goes for the sub-elite like Kirk Cousins, who was franchise tagged for a couple years before they let him walk. The closest example I can come up with is Jay Cutler, but for obvious reasons he doesn't really fit the bill (elite? not really ... better than average? yes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, appoo said: Watson, Mahomes and Rodgers are the only QBs I'd even CONSIDER swapping Allen for, for the next 2-3 years (ignoring contract). That dude deserves a better football team around him Rodgers???? Really... not a chance in hell man why would you trade Allen for Rodgers and loose 13 years of having a franchise QB???? CRAZY TALK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: True. I can't even recall an instance of an elite QB in his prime years getting traded. That even goes for the sub-elite like Kirk Cousins, who was franchise tagged for a couple years before they let him walk. The closest example I can come up with is Jay Cutler, but for obvious reasons he doesn't really fit the bill (elite? not really ... better than average? yes) Brees, but the Chargers had drafted Phillip Rivers and Drew hadn't gone Super Saiyan yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: His contract is tradeable. So its not like no one has heard of the cap. I see people mentioning teams like Pats here though, and yeah, then there are cap issues. But Jets, Miami, and Jags can easily do it. Houston takes a hit this year, much like Beane did took a hit one year on the cap before he headed into a clean cap as they ramped up their rebuild. So while you are right to an extent about the cap, you're also wrong about how you are suggesting its not possible here because of it, as it definitely is possible. Doesn't mean its gonna happen, just saying the cap is not an accurate reason to say it 100% wont. True it doesn't look as bad for a trade (versus being cut, which is where I made a mistake). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/07/report-texans-wont-trade-deshaun-watson-if-he-asks-for-it/ Florio had this up on PFT so I guess this is a moot point. Or, is it reverse psychology? Who knows. Edited January 7, 2021 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, H2o said: Brees, but the Chargers had drafted Phillip Rivers and Drew hadn't gone Super Saiyan yet. Getting closer ... ... so who's the last true elite QB in his prime (let's say "still in his 20s") to get traded? It has to have happened. There was this way back when (I only thought about Roman Gabriel because I just mentioned him in the "most physically gifted QB ever" thread) https://fs64sports.blogspot.com/2013/06/1973-eagles-pay-heavy-price-in-trade.html But Gabriel was already 32 and a bit past his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, H2o said: Brees, but the Chargers had drafted Phillip Rivers and Drew hadn't gone Super Saiyan yet. Brees wasn't traded, he signed with NO as an unrestricted free agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I would love to see Watson go to WFT. Seems like a great opportunity, defense is solid, McLaurin is a true #1 and it would be a chance to revitalize this team and get credit for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Brees wasn't traded, he signed with NO as an unrestricted free agent You're absolutely right. I always had thought he was traded to the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I was going to guess New Orleans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Getting closer ... ... so who's the last true elite QB in his prime (let's say "still in his 20s") to get traded? It has to have happened. There was this way back when (I only thought about Roman Gabriel because I just mentioned him in the "most physically gifted QB ever" thread) https://fs64sports.blogspot.com/2013/06/1973-eagles-pay-heavy-price-in-trade.html But Gabriel was already 32 and a bit past his prime. Drew Bledsoe? He barely hits your age cut off. Maybe he wasn't top tier elite but he was still really good. Edited January 7, 2021 by Boxcar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Boxcar said: Drew Bledsoe? He barely hits your age cut off. Maybe he wasn't top tier elite but he was still really good. Good one. Thanks. Bledsoe always "played old" so I'm surprised to find that he was still under 30. He wasn't playing at Watson's level now, but he was at maybe ... Stafford level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) Houston would be foolish to trade him, especially without drafting his replacement. They sure blew trading that draft pick to Miami. Saturday can’t come fast enough. It’s been the longest week for me. Edited January 7, 2021 by dlonce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilmann Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I’m sure he is going to at least see who is the new GM and coach before demanding anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 He is getting traded to Patriots cause teams love to give great players to Patriots and then wonder why they are so dominant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I can think of 2 trades from many years ago of QBs in their primes: In 1967 Fran Tarkington was traded from Minnesota to the NY Giants, spending 5 seasons with them. Then in 1972 he was traded back to the Vikings and finished the last 7 years of his career there. In 1980 Ken Stabler & Dan Pastorini were traded for each other. Some would argue they were past their primes, but when the trade was made neither team thought they were getting an over the hill QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 54 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: He is getting traded to Patriots cause teams love to give great players to Patriots and then wonder why they are so dominant Not anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 If we played along with the idea it is possible (it isn't) I think there are only 6 possibly 7 teams in the NFL who wouldn't be at least interested in doing their due dilligence: Kansas City and Buffalo - the only two teams in the NFL with QBs under 30 who have played at a level above Watson. Seattle - Russ is 32 and has slowed down the stretch for two seasons in a row now but he is Seattle's best ever player. He is the franchise. They are in for the long haul. Green Bay - this one might be more controversial given Aaron is getting up there in age, but the Packers spent a 1st on their QB of the future last April. They are not admitting a mistake on that without seeing the guy on the field. They might regret it. LAC - Herbert had a great rookie year and is under cost control for the next 4 years. Bengals - similar to the above. Burrow wasn't quite as dynamic as Herbert and has had the ACL but Cincy are staying the course. They are the 6.... the 7th possible is Jacksonville because they sit with a chance to take a generational prospect. I think they likely stand pat and pick Lawrence though I suspect you would at least think about the proven commodity. That leaves 25 teams who would be at the very least interested in exploring Watson if he was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Good one. Thanks. Bledsoe always "played old" so I'm surprised to find that he was still under 30. He wasn't playing at Watson's level now, but he was at maybe ... Stafford level? Bledsoe had actually turned 30 prior to the trade, but he was still in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 He isn't getting traded. It is amazing the lies people tell to get clicks and views. What is even more amazing is people believe this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 He’s better than Josh and a top 3 or 5 QB. They trade him and they may be trading a future hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Shoot.. if the Texans are dumping players, I’d love to see what they want for JJ Watt.. yes please! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: Bledsoe had actually turned 30 prior to the trade, but he was still in his prime. Good point. "Prime" is a difficult determination for QBs. It's not like RBs or CBs where it's pretty clear that virtually 100% hit their peak in their mid-20s and then begin to decline, whether slowly or quickly. I guess I should rephrase my question: when's the last time a QB who was still at his peak (no signs of age/injury decline) traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: He’s better than Josh and a top 3 or 5 QB. They trade him and they may be trading a future hall of famer. He is not better than Josh. Only Mahomes and Rogers are even in the conversation. He can't make the throws those 3 guys make. He is a top 5 QB though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Despite my post, I personally would not trade Watson unless I didn't have much choice, he is a young QB and already top 5 in the league. However, if I was Watson, I would 100% want to be traded. That team has been set back several years by the bad decisions of the old regime. They just don't have the draft capital for a quick rebuild, and its a total rebuild outside Watson. The defense is atrocious and they have limited talent around him on the offense. But, if there was ever a year to do it in terms of Houston, they could really reload draft picks and possibly also get back a young prospect in Darnold or Tua in a haul from Jets or Miami, or even land Trevor if Jags entered the mix. If I am Jets or Miami, I am all in on trying to get Watson if he somehow becomes available. I would also do it if I am Jags, as good of a prospect Trevor is, he is still just a prospect vs a proven top 5 QB who is still young. Why would Watson demand a trade to the Jets? He wants to go from a team that had its second losing season since 2014 THIS YEAR to a team that was almost winless? Think these things through bro. Edited January 7, 2021 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: Why would Watson demand a trade to the Jets? He wants to go from a team that had its second losing season since 2014 THIS YEAR to a team that was almost winless? Think these things through bro. Because Watson doesn't seem to approve of the new Texans GM, if the Jets were to hire Daboll and bring in a better GM, I can easily see how he would view the Jets as a better destination than Houston. And I did say earlier if Watson did push for a trade, then I think a team like the Dolphins is who he would push for out of the teams that would most likely be interested with the cap space and ammo to make it happen. They got a good Coach and GM there right now with a good defense and are coming off a 10 win season with Fitz and Tua at QB. He immediately makes them a contender. But in the end, he doesn't seem happy with the GM selection, and if he doesn't believe in the GM (who also has to take the job with no first round picks because of past moves) to rebuild the team, than anywhere else will look better. Plus Jets are a bigger market too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 The Texans should be all over this if they can get the jets first two picks and if they think fields is a dude. They’re just so devoid of picks and talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: The Texans should be all over this if they can get the jets first two picks and if they think fields is a dude. They’re just so devoid of picks and talent Huge call to take Fields and trade away Watson. Fields doesn't just have to be good to make that work. He has to be elite. Watson is on that elite / very good borderline. There are max 4 guys better than that. You have to be convinced Fields is crashing that group. I would maybe make that trade if Jacksonville called and I was getting a shot at Lawrence. To get a shot at Fields? No way. Too big of a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Because Watson doesn't seem to approve of the new Texans GM, if the Jets were to hire Daboll and bring in a better GM, I can easily see how he would view the Jets as a better destination than Houston. And I did say earlier if Watson did push for a trade, then I think a team like the Dolphins is who he would push for out of the teams that would most likely be interested with the cap space and ammo to make it happen. They got a good Coach and GM there right now with a good defense and are coming off a 10 win season with Fitz and Tua at QB. He immediately makes them a contender. But in the end, he doesn't seem happy with the GM selection, and if he doesn't believe in the GM (who also has to take the job with no first round picks because of past moves) to rebuild the team, than anywhere else will look better. Plus Jets are a bigger market too. The Jets just won 2 games. They just fired their head coach. Their new GM kinda sucks. They have a bad OL and a super bare cupboard. Watson told the Texans he wants Fuller back. You think he wants to go play with those “weapons” (I use the term extremely loosely) in NY? Like come on. Coaches barely want to go to NY, let alone great QB’s trying to compete. Edited January 7, 2021 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: The Texans should be all over this if they can get the jets first two picks and if they think fields is a dude. They’re just so devoid of picks and talent Yeah, this isnt as crazy for the Texans as many here making it out to be. Texans have nothing to rebuild with except Watson. They dont have the draft picks thanks to OBrien, they dont have talent on their roster, thanks to O'Brien. I personally would do everything I could to keep Watson, however, its also not crazy. If Houston can get BOTH Jets first round picks, including the #2 overall, and also get back Darnold who still has upside and could benefit from a change of scenery, well thats not a crazy plan. They could still draft a QB at #2 as well if they want. And honestly, they may be able to get to also get next years first round pick the Jets own from Seattle too making it a 3 first round pick haul potentially if Jets really wanted to make it happen. Dolphins can put a similar package together using the 4th overall pick and throwing in Tua as well. This isnt as crazy as some are making it out to be for the Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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