The josh haters are out in force today

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, njbuff said:

When these idiots compare Allen to Newton, you know they have no idea what the hell they are watching with Allen.

 

Allen is NOTHING like Newton.

 

Allen is a brand all his own and really isn’t comparable with any other QB.

 

All I know is that someone is going to try and take him out of action moving forward.

I think he's surpassed Newton. He was similar to Newton but as Josh is developing he's a much better QB in the pocket. Not really close. 

[Chandler#81]

12 hours ago, teef said:

I’ve heard nothing but wildly positive things about josh today. 

‘.....says more about the shows You watch’ 😉

11 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Sounds to me like Keyshawn doesn't even watch the Bills games.

 

He's asking where is the signature win? He obviously did not watch the Seattle game.

Key, did you know we beat the Dolphins, Rams, Raiders, Patriots* and Seahawks in addition to San Fran? Whooped Stiller’s in must win game last season? Do you know anything about modern NFL? ‘Just Give Me the Damn Remote!’

11 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

ESPN still has sports shows? 

Yeah, like MTV still features music videos..

 

This guy is ‘playing my song’.

 

[MiltonWaddams]

Well, the voices in my head have been nothing but positive about Josh over the last 24 hours. I’m both saying  and hearing nothing but really positive things. 

[BigDingus]

17 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Baker needs a running game...Josh does it on his own..

 

Saying he does it on his own is kind of a disservice to the amazing receivers & O-line play.

I get what you're saying, but I don't want those guys to get lost in the mix.

6 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Why do so many of you feel threatened when someone says something negative about one of the bills players? 😂😂😂😂😂

 

It's certainly weird...

Even more strange to me is how people are fine just cruising on by the tons of positive coverage, but the second anyone isn't taking the Bills to win a game or doesn't hype up a player they immediately grab the pitchforks 😂

[H2o]

11 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

looking for love in all the wrong places 

 

[BuffaloBill]

18 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Likely what they have been saying since he's more accurate now. 

 

"he hasn't had a signature game" 

 

I really liked one person who used that excuse and said he hadn't beat the patriots yet. Shows how much they pay attention. 

 

I don't know what a signature win is but I'd say he's had half a dozen this year. 

 

 

Signature win probably translates to playoff win

[HOUSE]

I been following this for years, mostly jealous fans from other AFC East teams stuck with the likes of Sam Darnold & Cam Newton

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I read that thread.  Someone brought up the fact that among throws with a clean pocket Josh Allen ranks 6th from last among starting QB’s.  Cian claims it’s because Josh runs from clean pockets.  LOL it’s a huge stretch and he’s getting killed for it 

 

Any idea where one could find this data?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

Dear Bills fans,  want a reasonable assessment of Allen?  
 

Listen to Romo and Kubiak, and just about any ex QB instead of the clowns being talked about in this thread.  Heck Terry Bradshaw is no Allen fan, he just stops talking when Allen is playing well so that is a good thing for everyone.  

 

Warner and Aikman no likey, though even Aikman had to admit that was a good game.  He phrased it as "his best game as a pro" which is a compliment....but something about the way he said it struck me as double-edged, like he was choking back "about time he had one" or "wonder when he'll have another".  That could just me me though.

 

If Warner weighed in on Monday haven't heard it yet.

 

Agree that Romo, Kubiak, Hasselbeck, and also Chris Simms have reasonable takes on Allen.

 

31 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Signature win probably translates to playoff win

 

Eh, I personally think it's more akin to "Franchise QB", on this board historically a nebulous concept with definitions that appear to change according to circumstance.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Why do so many of you feel threatened when someone says something negative about one of the bills players? 😂😂😂😂😂

 

Me, personally?  I don't feel threatened.

I store it up carefully and after a win like last night, I serve it with Fava beans and a nice Chianti.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Saying he does it on his own is kind of a disservice to the amazing receivers & O-line play.

I get what you're saying, but I don't want those guys to get lost in the mix.

 

It's certainly weird...

Even more strange to me is how people are fine just cruising on by the tons of positive coverage, but the second anyone isn't taking the Bills to win a game or doesn't hype up a player they immediately grab the pitchforks 😂

 

Kind of reminds me of you.  When Allen played good, you were no were to be found.  However, as soon as he made some bad plays or had a bad game, poof here you were with your pitchfork in hand telling all of us how Allen sucks and is not the franchise QB.  I will give you credit, you seem to have come around a bit although I don't think I've seen you post your "I was wrong" post yet!

[JohnNord]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Any idea where one could find this data?

It was PFF I believe 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Lol 😂

Josh Allen is an unstoppable cyborg from another planet

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Well, the voices in my head have been nothing but positive about Josh over the last 24 hours. I’m both saying  and hearing nothing but really positive things. 

 

Sorta seems like a good time to reprise this .  Although it is "voices in the air" not voices in your head.  Enjoy!

 

4 hours ago, JohnNord said:

It was PFF I believe 

 

Oh, well, as far as access, that leaves me out

[Mr. K]

I admit, when we drafted him I was nervous. Since then he has slowly convinced me that he is a deserving starter and it blossoming into a complete baller. Let them keep doubting him. I love asking "is he good yet??" when he makes a big play.

[Stank_Nasty]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Warner and Aikman no likey, though even Aikman had to admit that was a good game.  He phrased it as "his best game as a pro" which is a compliment....but something about the way he said it struck me as double-edged, like he was choking back "about time he had one" or "wonder when he'll have another".  That could just me me though.

 

If Warner weighed in on Monday haven't heard it yet.

 

Agree that Romo, Kubiak, Hasselbeck, and also Chris Simms have reasonable takes on Allen.

 

 

Eh, I personally think it's more akin to "Franchise QB", on this board historically a nebulous concept with definitions that appear to change according to circumstance.

Here’s Warner today. Or maybe yesterday. 
 

 

 

Funniest thing I saw today was on NFL live Keyshawn Johnson said the bills havnt had a signature win yet this year WHILE he’s staring at their schedule commenting on their wins over contenders. He acknowledges that the bills:

 

-Beat the rams but it was too early in the year to care

-beat the Seahawks but they don’t travel well

-raiders are streaky 

- and he conveniently left out the 8-4 fins

 

so Orlovsky fires back about how they‘ve beaten 6 playoff caliber teams. How could they possibly not have a statement win? Keyshawn just doubled down screaming about how it was too early in the year too care about half those games and hat they were a lucky strip away from losing to the pats. Mind you this was after a segment where Keyshawn spent 2 minutes explaining how all cam Newton does is win and that his dreadful stats don’t matter.... YIKES

 

[Buffalo ill]

On 12/8/2020 at 10:44 AM, Back the Blue said:

Do I really need to explain it?  WAAAHHHHH...did you see what <insert name of NOBODY reporter> said about my Bills.  I'm so mad, I'm going to start another thread about it...which is exactly the same as every other "did you see what they said about the Bills" threads which are created weekly. 

People get way too fired ip over what some neckbeard from Europe thinks about the Bills 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Here’s Warner today. Or maybe yesterday. 
 

 

 

Funniest thing I saw today was on NFL live Keyshawn Johnson said the bills havnt had a signature win yet this year WHILE he’s staring at their schedule commenting on their wins over contenders. He acknowledges that the bills:

 

-Beat the rams but it was too early in the year to care

-beat the Seahawks but they don’t travel well

-raiders are streaky 

- and he conveniently left out the 8-4 fins

 

so Orlovsky fires back about how they‘ve beaten 6 playoff caliber teams. How could they possibly not have a statement win? Keyshawn just doubled down screaming about how it was too early in the year too care about half those games and hat they were a lucky strip away from losing to the pats. Mind you this was after a segment where Keyshawn spent 2 minutes explaining how all cam Newton does is win and that his dreadful stats don’t matter.... YIKES

 

Keyshawn is part correct. It matters now. You have to do it in the big moments. It's not that Josh hasn't played amazing at time it was that no one really cared. We saw Josh on Monday begin to change the narrative. Don't worry the narrative will change and fast if Josh keeps it up. 

 

What Kurt Warner said is exactly how I felt about Allen. What we saw was like Neo in the Matrix realizing he's the one. I'm hoping this is the beginning of the norm. 

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Sorta seems like a good time to reprise this .  Although it is "voices in the air" not voices in your head.  Enjoy!

the video linked at the end. 😂

 

[Stank_Nasty]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Keyshawn is part correct. It matters now. You have to do it in the big moments. It's not that Josh hasn't played amazing at time it was that no one really cared. We saw Josh on Monday begin to change the narrative. Don't worry the narrative will change and fast if Josh keeps it up. 

 

What Kurt Warner said is exactly how I felt about Allen. What we saw was like Neo in the Matrix realizing he's the one. I'm hoping this is the beginning of the norm. 

My thing is, Keyshawn has now, on 2 different shows, in the last 2 days doubled down on them not playing anyone. I challenge anyone to find 5 wins on any team that stack up with Fins, Rams, raiders, Seahawks, and pats. I doubt you find any. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Here’s Warner today. Or maybe yesterday.

 

Thats...about the most positive I've heard Warner about Josh and the Bills.  Basically said Allen has gotten better each year and if Allen can keep this up, that's a dangerous offense.

 

Thought it was interesting that, similar to a point Cover1 made, Kurt refers to screens and quick throws as a part of the running game. 

 

Also he apparently coaches HS football now.  Wonder how THAT team is doing.

[whatdrought]

On 12/8/2020 at 1:22 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

Cian Fahey is like a dog with a bone. He's not letting go.

 

 

that guy is proof that mentally handicapped farm animals can get a blue checkmark on Twitter. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

My thing is, Keyshawn has now, on 2 different shows, in the last 2 days doubled down on them not playing anyone. I challenge anyone to find 5 wins on any team that stack up with Fins, Rams, raiders, Seahawks, and pats. I doubt you find any. 

Keyshawn likely doesn't spend time on the Bills. He's likely basing all his knowledge on what he watches nationally in big games, in fact he said exactly that in some clip. It's going to take time for the Bills and Josh Allen to change the narrative. It's happening though.

 

He just wants to see more. Here's a good clip.

 

 

 

[mbs]

On 12/8/2020 at 12:04 PM, Bangarang said:

I will never understand why anyone takes this guy seriously when it comes to QB evaluations. He’s just some random dude from Ireland. 

In the scheme of things, aren't we all just random dudes from Ireland? 

 

I noticed Cian back when he thought Tyrod was a top ten QB. It took me years to figure out that both Tyrod and Cian are trash. 

[QLBillsFan]

On 12/8/2020 at 11:18 AM, Mark Vader said:

Sounds to me like Keyshawn doesn't even watch the Bills games.

 

He's asking where is the signature win? He obviously did not watch the Seattle game.

I don’t take great offense to what KJ said with the exception of the no signature win. He’s saying he’s not quite elite on Chiefs are heavy favorite. 

[Malazan]

People who get paid for your attention say things that get your attention..

 

How unusual..

[Billsfansinceday1]

On 12/8/2020 at 1:20 PM, teef said:

I’ve heard nothing but wildly positive things about josh today. 

I'll help out then.

 

Josh Allen is the best thing to ever walk this earth.

 

Better?

[Thurman#1]

On 12/9/2020 at 3:13 AM, Sharky7337 said:

Nick Wright on first things first still trashing Allen.

 

Skip Bayless says baker is better.

 

But they just keep moving the bar. Its amazing after a solid performance multiple times they still in some cases cannot give the man credit.

 

 

 

Bayless admits Josh is terrific, loves him. Just loves Baker more, which is a bit weird maybe but has nothing to do with Josh hate.

 

Nick Wright, who I'd never heard of till your post, does have a wacky take.

 

That's two guys. Two. One of whom thinks Allen is great.

 

IMO this insistence on finding Josh hate is like looking at one of the world's greatest arboretums and saying, "See, look at all that dirt."

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

KeyShawn  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sharky7337]

46 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

KeyShawn  

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw this and it was funny!

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Bayless admits Josh is terrific, loves him. Just loves Baker more, which is a bit weird maybe but has nothing to do with Josh hate.

 

Nick Wright, who I'd never heard of till your post, does have a wacky take.

 

That's two guys. Two. One of whom thinks Allen is great.

 

IMO this insistence on finding Josh hate is like looking at one of the world's greatest arboretums and saying, "See, look at all that dirt."

 

I saw that Nick Wright thing and all I have to say is, what an arrogant moron.  He's talking to Brandon Marshall, a guy who actually played in the NFL, saying the reason he thinks Baker is a better QB is because he "watch[es] football."  LOL!  Then he talks about how Josh's stretch when he was injured had almost as many TD as turnovers, completely/conveniently ignoring that Baker had 3 straight games with zero TDs.  Where do they get these guys? 

[Sharky7337]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I saw that Nick Wright thing and all I have to say is, what an arrogant moron.  He's talking to Brandon Marshall, a guy who actually played in the NFL, saying the reason he thinks Baker is a better QB is because he "watch[es] football."  LOL!  Then he talks about how Josh's stretch when he was injured had almost as many TD as turnovers, completely/conveniently ignoring that Baker had 3 straight games with zero TDs.  Where do they get these guys? 

 

And thats kinda why I started the post I find it amusing that some of them will Cling to these opinions and its almost funny watching them having terrible justifications for them at this point.

 

Josh has converted many, and will have to keep doing it. Because next it will be well he did it one year? Etc etc 

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Sharky7337

[Doc]

I should add that Wright didn't mention that Josh was injured for that stretch he criticized him over.  Opinions...

[Sharky7337]

45 minutes ago, Doc said:

I should add that Wright didn't mention that Josh was injured for that stretch he criticized him over.  Opinions...

I was thinking that also

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

I should add that Wright didn't mention that Josh was injured for that stretch he criticized him over.  Opinions...

And was also 5-3 and a lucky play away from being 6-2 during October/November.

[PromoTheRobot]

On 12/8/2020 at 8:20 PM, MJS said:

His main argument of why he doesn't think the Bills could ever beat the Chiefs is because the Chiefs have more prime time games and he sees their highlights more often. Just wow.

 

Keyshawn might as well just say "I really don't pay enough attention to have an educated opinion."

[PromoTheRobot]

17 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Keyshawn is part correct. It matters now. You have to do it in the big moments. It's not that Josh hasn't played amazing at time it was that no one really cared. We saw Josh on Monday begin to change the narrative. Don't worry the narrative will change and fast if Josh keeps it up. 

 

What Kurt Warner said is exactly how I felt about Allen. What we saw was like Neo in the Matrix realizing he's the one. I'm hoping this is the beginning of the norm. 

 

No he's not. You can't pick your next opponent in the NFL. You play your schedule. By Keyshawn's yardstick who have the Steelers or Chiefs beat? Don't move the goalposts when assessing the Bills.

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

KeyShawn  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well there you go. Beat Pittsburgh and Keyshawn eats his words.

[MJS]

8 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

KeyShawn  

 

 

 

 

What's with this new "signature win" metric being thrown around this year? Every time the team or Allen achieves something they come up with some new measuring stick?

 

"Well, we can't talk about 300 yard games or even 400 yard games anymore, and they beat the Patriots so we can't ding them on that anymore, and Allen's completion percentage is 70% so we can't talk about that. And he doesn't run much anymore so we can't talk about that. And the defense isn't that good anymore so we can't say the defense is carrying Allen and the team anymore..."

 

Literally every criticism has been answered this year. And so now we talk about signature wins? What about the Seattle win? What about the Rams? Those don't count because they happened earlier in the season? And when we beat the Steelers what's the next unattainable metric they will fall back on?

 

And why do the Bills "need" a signature win, KeyShawn? Need it for what? Does that qualify you for the Superbowl? Do they count as 2?

 

They literally find any way possible to discredit Allen and the Bills. It's pretty hilarious at this point. The vast majority of "experts" are on the Bills side, but I guess there are still a few clowns out there.

[Big Turk]

Just now, MJS said:

 

What's with this new "signature win" metric being thrown around this year? Every time the team or Allen achieves something they come up with some new measuring stick?

 

"Well, we can't talk about 300 yard games or even 400 yard games anymore, and they beat the Patriots so we can't ding them on that anymore, and Allen's completion percentage is 70% so we can't talk about that. And he doesn't run much anymore so we can't talk about that. And the defense isn't that good anymore so we can't say the defense is carrying Allen and the team anymore..."

 

Literally every criticism has been answered this year. And so now we talk about signature wins? What about the Seattle win? What about the Rams? Those don't count because they happened earlier in the season? And when we beat the Steelers what's the next unattainable metric they will fall back on?

 

And why do the Bills "need" a signature win, KeyShawn? Need it for what? Does that qualify you for the Superbowl? Do they count as 2?

 

They literally find any way possible to discredit Allen and the Bills. It's pretty hilarious at this point. The vast majority of "experts" are on the Bills side, but I guess there are still a few clowns out there.

 

Funnier than this is when they said beating the league MVP at the time Russell Wilson and the Seahawks would be the Bills "Signature Win" and Allen went out and b!tchslapped them...now 4 weeks later that no longer counts because the Seahawks have slipped a little bit...

 

So if we beat the Steelers and then they lose to the Colts and Browns too, that no longer counts either??