Greg S Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I can see that point as well, if that’s the case, then I’d control where he goes, specifically out of the division and more ideally to the NFC. The worst case for your team is to trade him to a divisional opponent, then have the 💡 come on. He torments you for the next 10 years. I don't remember if it was a trade but Marcus Allen going from the Raiders to the Chiefs comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: i wouldnt be shocked to see him in a pats jersey next year Why would the Jets trade him there? He is still under contract and has value. He will be traded to an NFC team or, at least, out of the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Beast said: Why would the Jets trade him there? He is still under contract and has value. He will be traded to an NFC team or, at least, out of the division. What do you think his value may be? 2 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said: Jerry Sullivan, Oct. 25, 2020: Sam Darnold is better than Josh Allen. Never forget. Did he really say that just this year? That's a *blink* moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) I think being in that locker room is going to mess with any player's head. Adam Gase has a gift for creating that kind of locker room culture. Edited November 18, 2020 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, Greg S said: I don't remember if it was a trade but Marcus Allen going from the Raiders to the Chiefs comes to mind. That was not a trade and in fairness to the Raiders, they got the best years of his career, but I’m sure they didn’t think he was going to keep being a factor for another 5 years. Darnold, in theory has at least 10 years left, it really all hinges on health and development obviously. As of this moment, he has not taken the jump you want to see in a 3rd year guy, but with that team and the injuries, I would not be comfortable writing him off yet. The last thing I would do is let the Pats have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Thanks. Now I’m not gonna sleep tonight. my opinion, we and the rest of the League have seen the best of Sam Darnold. While he was clearly the most ‘pro ready’ at draft time, he’s hasn’t improved at anything. His ceiling was at USC and he’s been found out and floundering ever since. Flacco is better. Again, my opinion. You may be right. But he has been on a really dysfunctional team, with the proverbial "no receivers". I know it is a common excuse, but every now and again I see him play, and I still get the impression that he could be a decent QB. But hell, I thought the same thing about Josh Rosen. I guess I just don't feel like time with the Jets can be counted as the "final" say on his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What do you think his value may be? Did he really say that just this year? That's a *blink* moment I think Darnold would draw at least a 3rd for anybody who wanted to see what they could do with him. Think of all the guys on the back end of their careers out there, bring Darnold in, see what he has, if he’s got it, let him play, or take over, you have one year on the cheap anyway, then you know it’s going to be a prove it deal, odds are higher at retention if he knows the system and has a better shot to rebuild his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Thanks. Now I’m not gonna sleep tonight. my opinion, we and the rest of the League have seen the best of Sam Darnold. While he was clearly the most ‘pro ready’ at draft time, he’s hasn’t improved at anything. His ceiling was at USC and he’s been found out and floundering ever since. Flacco is better. Again, my opinion. I think he's in the worst situation for a young qb that I've seen in ages. Maybe Steve Young in Tampa Bay? Sidenote: It has occurred to me that Gregg Williams may soon be the only defensive coordinator in NFL history to preside over two different 0-16 teams. 2 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I think Darnold would draw at least a 3rd for anybody who wanted to see what they could do with him. Think of all the guys on the back end of their careers out there, bring Darnold in, see what he has, if he’s got it, let him play, or take over, you have one year on the cheap anyway, then you know it’s going to be a prove it deal, odds are higher at retention if he knows the system and has a better shot to rebuild his value. If I'm the Steelers, I think hard about a late first for him. He has talent and he'd be set up to succeed there. Ben ain't gonna play too much longer. 3 minutes ago, Buftex said: You may be right. But he has been on a really dysfunctional team, with the proverbial "no receivers". I know it is a common excuse, but every now and again I see him play, and I still get the impression that he could be a decent QB. But hell, I thought the same thing about Josh Rosen. I guess I just don't feel like time with the Jets can be counted as the "final" say on his career. Yup. As I said above, Steve Young. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think Jimmy G might well end up back in New England. unless they pursue Jacoby Brissett in free agency. 6 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I think Darnold would draw at least a 3rd for anybody who wanted to see what they could do with him. Think of all the guys on the back end of their careers out there, bring Darnold in, see what he has, if he’s got it, let him play, or take over, you have one year on the cheap anyway, then you know it’s going to be a prove it deal, odds are higher at retention if he knows the system and has a better shot to rebuild his value. Darnold to Washington makes some sense but then again Snyder might want to make a splash and try and trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I think he's in the worst situation for a young qb that I've seen in ages. Maybe Steve Young in Tampa Bay? Sidenote: It has occurred to me that Gregg Williams may soon be the only defensive coordinator in NFL history to preside over two different 0-16 teams. If I'm the Steelers, I think hard about a late first for him. He has talent and he'd be set up to succeed there. Ben ain't gonna play too much longer. Yup. As I said above, Steve Young. Man, I don’t think I’d sink a first into him, but I see your point. That’s a pretty huge Risk V Reward play. For me, too much, I’m in for a 2nd at most. The injuries are far too often for me to be comfortable with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Last year I took a bus trip to opening day at the Jets. A Jets fan in front of me started criticizing Josh with the usual inaccurate stuff. I got so mad I told him Josh would end up in the Hall of Fame. You didn't mean Rosen, did you?! 😳 *😁 Edited November 18, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 To me, it makes sense for him to get interest from: Indy - Rivers is old, Brissett will leave N.O. - Breese is starting to crack TB- Tawmmy is on a 2 year deal, need replacement Chi - QB hell there Steelers - Ben is up there too, especially if they win it all this year, could see him retiring. Jax- The Stache is pretty average it appears. Was- no explanation needed. NE- future SF- Jimmy G replacement Thats quite a few possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: I can see that point as well, if that’s the case, then I’d control where he goes, specifically out of the division and more ideally to the NFC. The worst case for your team is to trade him to a divisional opponent, then have the 💡 come on. He torments you for the next 10 years. oh yea, if it’s a low pick and a round different for the redskins vs the pats you obviously send him far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 They want him fully healed so they can trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: If I'm the Steelers, I think hard about a late first for him. He has talent and he'd be set up to succeed there. You believe the Steelers have given up on the Reindeer? 17 minutes ago, Maynard said: They want him fully healed so they can trade him. They can't trade him until what, March? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Beast said: Why would the Jets trade him there? He is still under contract and has value. He will be traded to an NFC team or, at least, out of the division. Not sure the Jets are that smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What do you think his value may be? Under contract in a rookie deal and coming from an awful situation I'd put him at a 3rd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Probably not but he should have been haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I've said it a couple times now, if Sam Darnold is gonna succeed in the NFL, it will not be as a member of the New York Jets. I also think evaluators missed on him, his accuracy isn't as good as it was said to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You believe the Steelers have given up on the Reindeer? They can't trade him until what, March? I would think so. He looks like a career backup to me. I was pretty unimpressed with his physical talent last year when he played. Darnold is a much better thrower, especially when on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedingreennc Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'd be happy for Sam to hear he has successfully figured out a way to bench himself and protect any semblance of a career that he might find elsewhere. Management has handled him horribly. He will be better off with another organization, this one cant get out of its own way. Its a 3 year cycle, rinse and repeat. Oh well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said: Management has handled him horribly. He will be better off with another organization, this one cant get out of its own way. Its a 3 year cycle, rinse and repeat. Oh well! Where do you think do you think would be a good place for him and what do you think the could get for him as far as draft picks ? In my opinion I think the Colts would be the best place for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedingreennc Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Putin said: Where do you think do you think would be a good place for him and what do you think the could get for him as far as draft picks ? In my opinion I think the Colts would be the best place for him Honestly he would be a good fit in Pitt to back up Ben for the time being. Im thinking a 3rd would be the most we would get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Bleedingreennc said: Honestly he would be a good fit in Pitt to back up Ben for the time being. Im thinking a 3rd would be the most we would get. If Arizona could get a 2nd for Rosen I think the Jets should get at least that for Sam , I still think he has potential to be a good starting QB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 The Cards fleeced a 2nd rounder for a malcontent that had lead in his feet. I think Darnold has more value than that, he's more athletic (although I might be at this point too 😁), played on the worst team with a 1/2 wit for a HC. Plus there appears to be more needy teams this year. If the Jets are smart (did I just type that), I would not be surprised if he goes for a late 1st rounder. Let the bidding begin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, qwksilver said: The Cards fleeced a 2nd rounder for a malcontent that had lead in his feet. I think Darnold has more value than that, he's more athletic (although I might be at this point too 😁), played on the worst team with a 1/2 wit for a HC. Plus there appears to be more needy teams this year. If the Jets are smart (did I just type that), I would not be surprised if he goes for a late 1st rounder. Let the bidding begin. If he goes for a late 1st the Saints feel like an obvious choice as expect Brees to retire after this season and don't see Winston or Hill as NFL QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If he goes for a late 1st the Saints feel like an obvious choice as expect Brees to retire after this season and don't see Winston or Hill as NFL QBs. They are definitely on the short list, you could add the Steelers as well. I'm not sure at those prices that 49ers are in the bidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What do you think his value may be? Did he really say that just this year? That's a *blink* moment Yes. On Twitter. Said he’s always said that and that Darnold was proving him right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said: Yes. On Twitter. Said he’s always said that and that Darnold was proving him right. Oh Wow, that really aged well. I don't think that hot take even stayed sizzling through the end of the game. 1 hour ago, Bleedingreennc said: Honestly he would be a good fit in Pitt to back up Ben for the time being. Im thinking a 3rd would be the most we would get. I don't know too much about Pittsburgs OC Randy Fichtner You know anything about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know too much about Pittsburgs OC Randy Fichtner You know anything about him? Played DB in college and like his father was a DB for .Purdue University. After college was a graduate assistant and then a collage coach; interestingly never on defense side of ball. Was signed by Steelers in 2007 from Memphis where he was QB/OC coach and replaced Bruce Arians who was WR coach. He worked his way up from WR coach to QB coach to OC for Steelers. His offense philosophy is basically same game Pittsburg has been playing for 2 decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 15 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Just reading the tea leaves here, is Gase trying to win games so he is going with the veteran vs the guy he didnt draft? Gase was promised safety this year and will be back next season. I'd bet a dollar on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 17 hours ago, Dkollidas said: I think the best thing for him is to get the heck out of there. I see Chicago as a possibility or New Orleans if Winston falters snd Brees retires. The game hasn’t even started and Winston threw two pics in early early warmups. As much as I don’t like the Jets, then again all of our divisional rivals, I truly hope Darnold can rehab his career. I still contend he’d fit perfect in a system with a good team with a QB getting closer to the end. I’d love to see him in Pittsburgh. A great team, solid defense and weapons, and Big Ben will only last so long with the hits he’s received. Darnold could get his bad habits fixed in time, and possibly take over at one point. New Orleans is a good team, but I can’t see Brees making it another year. The other downside is NO is over the cap next year to approximately $81 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 12 hours ago, Putin said: Where do you think do you think would be a good place for him and what do you think the could get for him as far as draft picks ? In my opinion I think the Colts would be the best place for him I would like to see Darnold go to the Saints, I think he would transform overnight into a good QB. The Colts would be another good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I would like to see the Jets win a game. This week is their best chance. Anything to keep them from drafting... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 20 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I like Darnold but I’m not giving up more than a 4th to get him. Cleveland traded a high 3rd for Tyrod and Miami gave away a 2nd for Rosen, so anything is possible, but I think you’re right. I personally wouldn’t trade anything of value for Darnold, but some team will probably give up a 3rd. 12 hours ago, Putin said: Where do you think do you think would be a good place for him and what do you think the could get for him as far as draft picks ? In my opinion I think the Colts would be the best place for him Colts would be a great landing place for any QB. They have a very good defense, excellent OL, pretty good offensive weapons and a very good offensive-minded coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Cleveland traded a high 3rd for Tyrod and Miami gave away a 2nd for Rosen, so anything is possible, but I think you’re right. I personally wouldn’t trade anything of value for Darnold, but some team will probably give up a 3rd. I could see the Steelers doing it. Darnold was the #3 pick in 2018. Pitt never drafts that high. They probably see potential with Sam and figure the Jets ****ed him up. Last season the Steelers struggled so badly without Ben that they definitely want to avoid that scenario again. Ben is nearing end and Pitt won't be drafting in the very top end of the draft anytime soon. Darnold is also only 23 so with a good organization like Pitt he could probably have a very successful career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 pretty obvious the colts, steelers, and bears will be checking in to see what it takes to get darnold and if they can pull a tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Greg S said: I could see the Steelers doing it. Darnold was the #3 pick in 2018. Pitt never drafts that high. They probably see potential with Sam and figure the Jets ****ed him up. Last season the Steelers struggled so badly without Ben that they definitely want to avoid that scenario again. Ben is nearing end and Pitt won't be drafting in the very top end of the draft anytime soon. Darnold is also only 23 so with a good organization like Pitt he could probably have a very successful career. But Darnold won’t beat out Big Ben next year and there’s no way they would pick up his 5th year option at this point, so how does it make sense for the Steelers? Makes no sense unless Roethlisberger retires, and I doubt he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 17 hours ago, Buftex said: You may be right. But he has been on a really dysfunctional team, with the proverbial "no receivers". I know it is a common excuse, but every now and again I see him play, and I still get the impression that he could be a decent QB. But hell, I thought the same thing about Josh Rosen. I guess I just don't feel like time with the Jets can be counted as the "final" say on his career. Man, that 2018 QB class was so highly thought of and got off to a good start. Rosen now looks like a bust. Mayfield and Darnold have regressed and Lamar Jackson may be also. Josh Allen looks like the best right now. From prior drafts, Wentz, Goff and Trubisky have regressed. It’ll be interesting to see if this year’s rookies can maintain their level of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, mannc said: But Darnold won’t beat out Big Ben next year and there’s no way they would pick up his 5th year option at this point, so how does it make sense for the Steelers? Makes no sense unless Roethlisberger retires, and I doubt he will. I wouldn't be to sure about that. Ben is nearing the end and if they win it all I could definitely see him retiring. Nothing left to prove. As I mentioned Pitt won't be picking at the top of the draft anytime soon so if they feel Darnold can be their QB of the future for the next 12-15 years then I could see them making a trade to acquiring him. Would backing up a future HOF for a year or so be a bad thing for Darnold? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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