wppete Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Was just talking to some buddies about how Tre’Davious White looks like a different player this year after getting payed. He hasn’t looked impressive this year compared to last year... That hail mail play today was embarrassing... Anyone else think he looks off this year? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He has been injured for at least 4 games, hard to judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I don’t think it’s fair to question his play because he got PAID. The entire defense has been up and down. A true shut down corner does not exist anymore. They’re streaky players. His play isn’t the same level as last year, but neither is the pass rush and neither is whoever is playing opposite Tre. (We’ve used quite a few different corners opposite him this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) The whole D hasn't played great this year. The front 4 aren't getting to the QB as much. Also the Bills are playing far better QBs and not getting 3rd stringers leading bad offenses like last year every other game. Defenses are getting torched this year around the whole NFL. Edited November 16, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, HOUSE said: He has been injured for at least 4 games, hard to judge Really? Didn’t know. What’s the injury? How serious is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, wppete said: Really? Didn’t know. What’s the injury? How serious is it? The Bills are pretty good at hiding injuries but he did sit out a lot of practices. He was hurt at the end of last weeks game and he did not return. Appears to be ankle,back & knee injuries https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bills-tredavious-white-managing-injury/ Edited November 16, 2020 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Tre has never been among the biggest or fastest of CBs out there - and that definitely cost him on the jump ball. For the most part, I didn't see him being directly responsible for too many big plays - he's the least of the defense's concerns for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Nope. QB's are only throwing his way like once or twice a game. He is being respected. And the hail mary was not embarrassing. It was an amazing catch by a premier player. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He looked really off to Me Before the game he sat out. Since then, I feel Like he really has upped his game. So i Attribute his Earlier poor Play to being banged up. I thought he played well Today. Not going to fault him on that drop in the bucket Hail Mary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 If he jumped and reached with one hand, he'd have knocked it away easily. For some reason, he tried to catch it. Just an absurdly stupid play by him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Coming into this game, White had allowed a total of 15 receptions all year per PFR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I don't think the problem is Tre - my gawd there were THREE defenders there for that play. I can't in all honesty throw that play in Tre's fault. Josh Norman???? YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I don’t know what you are watching. White has been solid all year (while battling multiple Injuries). 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, QB Bills said: If he jumped and reached with one hand, he'd have knocked it away easily. For some reason, he tried to catch it. Just an absurdly stupid play by him. Not what I saw - he tried to bat it - just a better play by Hopkins....oh and TWO other guys were there too......just an INSANE play by Hopkins..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 37 minutes ago, HOUSE said: He has been injured for at least 4 games, hard to judge Seems to be the excuse of 2020.. injures causing everyone to play bad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Seems to be the excuse of 2020.. injures causing everyone to play bad Guess I don’t understand your definition of Bad. Tre isn’t it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 More consistent pressure from the d line would make all our dbs look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Coming into this game, White had allowed a total of 15 receptions all year per PFR. Right. I don’t see much of a drop off. Gave up a huge play to Hopkins but he wasn’t the only one at fault. He’s been solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 How many passes were caught against him today? He has had game when I thought the same, but this one wasn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He has been fine. Locks down his side of the field. Hard to get ints when qbs dont test you. Bigger issues on D than Tre White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He’s been beat often the past few weeks. Seattle’s big WR took him deep & and roughed him up. Today Hopkins out-jumped him making him look small & lacking hops. Clearly White isn’t at 2019 level, he has a few games to rebound but clearly today’s game demonstrated White isn’t playing at an All-Pro level as he failed miserably to stop another All-Pro. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Kwai San said: Not what I saw - he tried to bat it - just a better play by Hopkins....oh and TWO other guys were there too......just an INSANE play by Hopkins..... He didn't try to bat it. He tried to catch it by jumping up with both hands in the air. If he wanted to bat it, he easily could have by just swatting it with one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I thought White played a good game until the last play. People need to stop defending him on the Hail Mary though. He blew the game. All he has to do is get one hand on the ball and knock it away. Hopkins has to get 2 hands on the ball and catch it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I think White has been good overall this year, it just doesn't show as much the players around him have not been performing. The defense is not the same overall but I am not panicking about them yet. There was no preseason for the new players to get used to the team and I think that this effected their overall bad play(although Klein is coming around). They are also playing some of the top offenses in the NFL this year. Hopefully Buffalo can get healthy and make adjustments in the bye week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: He’s been beat often the past few weeks. Seattle’s big WR took him deep & and roughed him up. Today Hopkins out-jumped him making him look small & lacking hops. Clearly White isn’t at 2019 level, he has a few games to rebound but clearly today’s game demonstrated White isn’t playing at an All-Pro level as he failed miserably to stop another All-Pro. Hopkins will do that against just about any corner in the league and has been for his whole career. It is why he will be a first ballot HOF'er. Please get some perspective before posting ridiculous takes. Edited November 16, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Hopkins will do that against just about any corner in the league and has been for his whole career. It is why he will be a first ballot HOF'er. Please get some perspective before posting ridiculous takes. OMG. Stop. Hopkins isn’t Megatron. He’s 6’1” with a 36 inch vertical. He does have awesome hands, but he needed to get a lot higher than White to get 2 hands on the ball. White’s leap was extremely weak and he inexplicable went up with 2 hands instead of 1 to just knock the ball down. Hopkins isn’t gonna be a 1st ballot HOF because he can jump over defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: OMG. Stop. Hopkins isn’t Megatron. He’s 6’1” with a 36 inch vertical. He does have awesome hands, but he needed to get a lot higher than White to get 2 hands on the ball. White’s leap was extremely weak and he inexplicable went up with 2 hands instead of 1 to just knock the ball down. Hopkins isn’t gonna be a 1st ballot HOF because he can jump over defenders. Obviously you haven't watched enough of his games. He actually made a ridiculous catch up high in the air with Tre draped all over him when he was with the Texans and scored a TD after he caught it. He also has some of the biggest, strongest hands on a receiver of all time as documented here: https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2020/09/08/when-comes-deandre-hopkins-success-all-starts-hands/5746290002/ He also has remarkably similar stats to Megatron. About 2300 fewer yards in 17 fewer games...pretty sure he will surpass that yardage total when they have the same number of games played. Easy to analyze what everyone should have done when you can watch in slo-mo and keep rewinding to see every little thing. Except that's not how it works in a game. It's a single play and sometimes the other team just makes a great play. That's it. You stop with your TV clicker/pointer rewind nonsense. Edited November 16, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He’s really good, but in a league where defense is about making plays, I fear he doesn’t have enough of that in him. Last weeks play where he picked off Wilson is what I’m talking about...but that’s all I’ve got from him all season. He may do enough to warrant the contract by being such a good cover corner, but his play making ability is lacking. Jalen Ramsey doesn’t allow that Hopkins catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Obviously you haven't watched enough of his games. He actually made a ridiculous catch up high in the air with Tre draped all over him when he was with the Texans and scored a TD after he caught it. He also has some of the biggest, strongest hands on a receiver of all time as documented here: https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2020/09/08/when-comes-deandre-hopkins-success-all-starts-hands/5746290002/ He also has remarkably similar stats to Megatron. About 2300 fewer yards in 17 fewer games...pretty sure he will surpass that yardage total when they have the same number of games played. Easy to analyze what everyone should have done when you can watch in slo-mo and keep rewinding to see every little thing. Except that's not how it works in a game. It's a single play and sometimes the other team just makes a great play. That's it. You stop with your TV clicker/pointer rewind nonsense. I’m not talking about stats. Megatron was 6’5” with a 45 inch vertical. If Megatron made that catch over White, you can justify it a lot easier. It’s like getting dunked on by Steph Curry instead of Jordan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 To play the hail mary better, he would have needed wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 hours ago, MJS said: Nope. QB's are only throwing his way like once or twice a game. He is being respected. Absolutely. Other than the Hail Mary I can't remember him being thrown at last night. He injured his back against Miami and the next couple of weeks against LA and LV I thought he tried to tough it out and he struggled a bit. He finally sat against Tennessee and that did the job he has looked healthier since and has played much better to the stage where the last 3 weeks I bet he has had fewer than half a dozen balls thrown at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: I’m not talking about stats. Megatron was 6’5” with a 45 inch vertical. If Megatron made that catch over White, you can justify it a lot easier. It’s like getting dunked on by Steph Curry instead of Jordan. So a guy known for being able to go up and get the ball, a great ability to high point it, a guy who has some of the biggest and strongest hands for a WR ever and a sure fire first ballot HOF'er doesn't equate to being good in that situation? Do you know Diggs was the best WR in the NFL last year at winning contested balls? He is 6' 1" also. Height is not as important in those situations as ability to time your jump perfectly, high point the ball and secure it. It's not like he threw it up to some scrub like Rodgers has and completed it in traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, High Football IQ said: I've thought this as well which is why I would have waited to extend him but Beane rolled the dice and pounced on what was a team friendly contract before Jalen Ramsey and some other big names were due to resign. Against an elite player like Hopkins this is the 2nd year in a row he's been owned by him but aside from that he certainly is not having the type of year that this team needed and will likely be one of the many reasons this team is looking at early playoff exit again....assuming they even get there. Hopkins didn't do much prior to that play. 2-3 catches? 50 yards maybe. No TD? Diggs embarrasses a DB every game. Doesn't mean Peterson is trash. Diggs outplayed Hopkins if not for that fluke play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, wppete said: Was just talking to some buddies about how Tre’Davious White looks like a different player this year after getting payed. He hasn’t looked impressive this year compared to last year... That hail mail play today was embarrassing... Anyone else think he looks off this year? He played through injury and has been good despite that. He was excellent yesterday. The first long Hopkins pass was in zone with white not on him. The bomb was just a great play by one of the best WRs in football. No one of 3/4 guys made the play needed there but I’m not blaming tre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Daboll's kept the fire burning on offense, Frazier hasn't on defense. The spirit of the entire defense is not the same from seasons past; the same foggy-headed unit that can't stop the run is also out there defending the pass. It's a trickle-down effect the way I see it. Crazy to associate Tre D's contribution this season on a contract that he earned from years of hard work and dedication throughout his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He’s been good all year! You guys don’t know what you’re watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Agent and him profited off the crap QBs we played last year. Beane should have looked ahead to this years schedule. Not sure White is a top 15 CB in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Didn't notice many other passes completed against Tre White throughout the rest of the game. The Hail Mary was a freak play, by one of the best WRs in the entire NFL. Honestly, I thought that our defenders played the ball pretty good. Just because Tre jumped with two hands in the air, does not mean he was trying to intercept the ball. I've seen hundreds of Hail Mary plays in my time, and defenders often bat the ball down with both hands. DeAndre Hopkins is known for having extremely strong hands. It's very likely that White believed he needed the power from both his hands to keep the WR from snatching the ball out of the air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Didn't notice many other passes completed against Tre White throughout the rest of the game. The Hail Mary was a freak play, by one of the best WRs in the entire NFL. Honestly, I thought that our defenders played the ball pretty good. Just because Tre jumped with two hands in the air, does not mean he was trying to intercept the ball. I've seen hundreds of Hail Mary plays in my time, and defenders often bat the ball down with both hands. DeAndre Hopkins is known for having extremely strong hands. It's very likely that White believed he needed the power from both his hands to keep the WR from snatching the ball out of the air. Wait....what?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Wait....what?? Didn't say that I've seen hundreds completed. I have been watching football for over 30 years you know. And for everyone that thinks we are cursed, this is not the first time someone has lost due to a Hail Mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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