Bad coaching bringing this team down

[JerseyBills]

Relax guys. 

We played a very good team and was a fluke play short of winning.  

We got a great team and coaches. And Dabol especially is making great play calls. 

 

Our D has looked great , despite the stats. 

I think Edmund's is the reason why, I feel he got fully healthy and has looked much better. 

 

We get Milano,Levi,Norman , Marlow back for the playoff run

We'll be fine!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

13 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

We'll be fine. 

We're a fluke play away from being 8-2 and the quality of QBs we'll be facing coming up is nowhere near Wilson,Murray back to back. 

The defense also took a major hit the day before the game with the Covid players. 

We'll be fine. I'm surprisingly not even that upset today . The team proved again they can hang with anybody and are one of the best teams in the game 

Fluke play or 1 blown play 

 

the point is when you have a double digit lead you don’t blow it. 
 

I forgot to mention the Houston Playoff game. 
 

“Blowing a double digit lead in the back half of the game” is not the trait of a great coordinator!

 

[Hebert19]

2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

True.

 

But it's also a numbers game:

 

- 32 v Rams

- 28 v Fish

- 24 v Raiders

- 42 v Titans

- 26 v KC (in BAD weather)

- 21 v Pats (would likely have been 28 if Cam doesn't fumble)

- 34 v Hawks

- 32 v Cards

 

These are simply not "Playoff Calibre" numbers.

 

If I am McD, I am putting Frazier on notice.

They are playoff caliber numbers this year.  The average is crazy high.  Now is it superbowl caliber...no. 

[reddogblitz]

20 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Outside of Allen being possibly hurt on the play, there is absolutely nothing to lose by allowing your athletic star QB a chance to save the team he lead for a game winning drive. You pull out a D lineman and leave Allen in the end zone. It gives him a chance to play hero ball. If you ever played QB you would understand. 

 

I played QB and I think it's a bone headed idea.

[Samwell Tarly]

Blame Frazier if it makes you feel better, but judging by average points allowed, the Bills are actually middle of the pack.  Guess half the league needs to fire their DC'S.

The league has bent over backwards to help offenses.  Investing heavily in defense is an expensive strategy with diminished returns.

Some of these teams are going to drop 30+ on you regardless, so fight fire with fire.  The best defense now is putting up 35 or more.

[blacklabel]

They've said it a few times now that they're still developing an identity on defense. They lost a big time leader in Lorenzo, they lose Star who does the dirty work, they lose Shaq who does very well setting the edge. They lose Jordan Phillips who, IMO, isn't the worst loss, most of his 9.5 sacks last season can be credited to the secondary. And then there are a slew of players grinding through injuries, Edmunds, Tre, Wallace, Hyde, Poyer, and of course Milano who is a cornerstone piece to this defense. Addison and Hughes are solid players but they're both 32 or 33 and that's around the time when guys begin to lose a step. Quinton Jefferson hasn't been very noticeable, Harrison Phillips is struggling (is he still not quite right from the knee injury?), Ed Oliver is creating pressures a lot of times but not quite getting the sack or TFL, all sorts of things. 

 

It's tough for sure. They have the new guys and then they have to adjust for injuries and that type of stuff can take away from the chemistry teams can create. This is the most roster overturn they've had on defense in the McBeane era and I think it's just a long process to figure out the best lineup, the best way to maximize skill sets, the situations where players can be most successful, a lot goes into it. 

 

My hope is that they come back after the bye recharged and ready to knock out these last six games with sweet sweet victory. I expect the Beaneman to work diligently in the off-season to upgrade the defense. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by blacklabel

[TBBills]

The only real reason would be b.c the Bills are not allowed to have too many good times anymore. So they need to be beaten down by the gods themselves 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I wish we could pound the ball in the running game when those defenses go into dime or aomiba against us

[Bubba Gump]

Aye aye aye poppy. This board gets harder to read week to week.

[JerseyBills]

49 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Fluke play or 1 blown play 

 

the point is when you have a double digit lead you don’t blow it. 
 

I forgot to mention the Houston Playoff game. 
 

“Blowing a double digit lead in the back half of the game” is not the trait of a great coordinator!

 

You got a point but the offense and ST put the D in terrible situations nearly the whole 2nd half. 

After painfully watching the game again, the condensed version, my thoughts on this team hasn't changed.  They are a great team imo and should make a deep run. 

In this game, there's so little that separates the great from the elite. 

I hope we can get to that elite status in the final 6+ games. Again, nothing changed from thinking this team can make a SB run after yesterday.  

 

Not only can we play with the big dogs. We are 1 of the big dogs. 

 

I have complete faith in the talent and coaching on this team. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

You got a point but the offense and ST put the D in terrible situations nearly the whole 2nd half. 

After painfully watching the game again, the condensed version, my thoughts on this team hasn't changed.  They are a great team imo and should make a deep run. 

In this game, there's so little that separates the great from the elite. 

I hope we can get to that elite status in the final 6+ games. Again, nothing changed from thinking this team can make a SB run after yesterday.  

 

Not only can we play with the big dogs. We are 1 of the big dogs. 

 

I have complete faith in the talent and coaching on this team. 

one bad muffed punt - yeah it hurt but it was really a one off.  
I recall all the dumb BoJo threads and posts. 

Bass is improving. The one DONK was a lucky bounce. 
 

Not to mention flag happy refs. 

2nd half adjustments take too long imo and that’s why people complain about coaching 

 

[Billsatlastin2018]

On 11/15/2020 at 7:55 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Knox? Knox????? He would have tipped the ball to Hopkins, interfered with him, bonked his head and contracted the Mumps all within 6 seconds. The dude is a walking pandemic. 
 

Damn... that’s good!

 

I’m just white hot angry about this total coaching buffoonery, so that took the edge off! 

23 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Bad posters bringing this forum down.

Yeah, I know.

 

The posters have been suiting up every Sunday during this Five Alarm Tire Fire Millennium! 🙄Come on man. 

[Buftex]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

One lucky pass and the whole City has become un glued

 

I am always amused by the extremes that fans go to, with Daboll.  Win, and we are worried that another team will ***** him away from us, and ruin everything we have going with Allen...lose, and we can't get him out of town fast enough.  We are a passionate fan-base, no doubt...but I really don't think, collectively, we are any smarter than fans in any other city. We are as bi-polar a fan base as it gets!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Must admit that I am beginning to lose faith in Leslie.

 

From last year we have lost Star, Shaq and Jordan Phillips. We have gained Harry, Jefferson, Addison, Epanesa, Norman and Butler. On paper at least, I would argue that the difference in talent lost v talent acquired is negligible.

 

I recognise that COVID and injuries have played their part but it is still hard to justify the substantial drop in performance.

 

The buck stops with Leslie Frazier.

 

I would have said the same about talent lost v acquired on paper, but the problem is that football games are played on grass, on Sunday

 

We had a big opt-out in Star.  We have his rotational partner at 1TDT Phillips not playing as well as he had been before he was hurt, which may be understandable, and our LB playing injured.  So the talent we retained, is not as it was. 

 

Two other factors:

1) playing more good teams this year

2) Not saying he's become a turnover machine, but Josh and our ST have put the D in a few more bad spots more this year than they did last year after the first NE game.  The Titans game was the worst.

 

Even so, we're starting to see stretches of stout defense.  They're just having a bit of trouble putting together an entire game.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

You lost me when you failed to string together a proper sentence to begin your post. 
 

Edit: You’re referencing the Chargers game from two years ago? Why is that relevant to the current version of the Buffalo Bills over 32 games later? 

I am sorry Leslie is your father.

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would have said the same about talent lost v acquired on paper, but the problem is that football games are played on grass, on Sunday

 

We had a big opt-out in Star.  We have his rotational partner at 1TDT Phillips not playing as well as he had been before he was hurt, which may be understandable, and our LB playing injured.  So the talent we retained, is not as it was. 

 

Two other factors:

1) playing more good teams this year

2) Not saying he's become a turnover machine, but Josh and our ST have put the D in a few more bad spots more this year than they did last year after the first NE game.  The Titans game was the worst.

 

Even so, we're starting to see stretches of stout defense.  They're just having a bit of trouble putting together an entire game.

Don't give me that.  When Star played everyone on this board was attacking him for not living up to his contract.

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When your offense in two games scores over 70 points that is good right.   But when your defense gives up 66 points that is bad in those same 2 games.

[JGMcD2]

5 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

I am sorry Leslie is your father.

Don't give me that.  When Star played everyone on this board was attacking him for not living up to his contract.

When your offense in two games scores over 70 points that is good right.   But when your defense gives up 66 points that is bad in those same 2 games.

I am sorry your father didn’t teach you proper English? Boom. Roasted. 
 

60% of games in the NFL are decided by a score or less. Get over it. 
 

Let’s also neglect to mention it was against two of the top 5 offenses in the NFL. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by JGMcD2

[LB48]

4 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Must admit that I am beginning to lose faith in Leslie.

 

From last year we have lost Star, Shaq and Jordan Phillips. We have gained Harry, Jefferson, Addison, Epanesa, Norman and Butler. On paper at least, I would argue that the difference in talent lost v talent acquired is negligible.

 

I recognise that COVID and injuries have played their part but it is still hard to justify the substantial drop in performance.

 

The buck stops with Leslie Frazier.

I'm sorry to repeat myself but - Addison, Butler and Jefferson are NO SHOWS every week!

[LB48]

We have an abundance of TALENT on offense.  We are short of TALENT on defense.  You can coach all you want but if your players are a bit inferior to the opposition you lose!

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

***** no one said when our defense carried the team the last 2 years.

 

Actually there were a few idiots then and some now.   There always seem to be a few including some who go to far to become stalkers.

[Nitro]

Bad coaching?  Bills were undermanned playing a very good team on the road.  They were seconds from victory.  This is the NFL.  You win some, you lose some.  Stop the over reactions to wins and losses.

[Agent 91]

Are you the guy Nate Geary hung up on twice last night?

[Thriftygamer83]

Sean McDermott let his players buy into the hype. As if crowning themselves AFCE Champions before the first play was even made. Players admitted as much and what stings is Frank Reich saying changing his offense to up tempo and keeping the defense in blitz and routine zone packages had been what helped them most against Tennesse. It's pretty much showing the lack of effort and attitude the team has had in big games.

We've got a team which beat Tennesse last season. We've got a Coach whose pretty much tuned out his critics. And, hasn't really matured the Hail Murray and Kliff Kingsbury pretty much provided what we knew. Sean thought he'd already won and had packed it in. He's believing the hype as well if we go through the turmoil of mounting losses. It's like a slow unwinding of the locker room pretty much.

As it is Reich does more with less and an aging Quarterback. It's a gut punch on what Sean isn't and that is disciplined.

[Victory Formation]

Mmm ok

[DJB]

Edited November 17, 2020 by DJB

[Thriftygamer83]

Guys Frank Reich just owned the Tennesse Titans we cannot talk about Sean McDermott as evolving as a Coach. When he has regressed and his players admitted to buying the hype. It's how he's managed to lose so much of the locker room and has pretty much fallen apart as a defensive genius. Reich wins with a no name defense and an aging Quarterback in up tempo both sides of the ball against better teams. McDermott has regressed completely to his first year. We don't know if he'll crash and burn to 9-7 pr 8-8 at this point. If he does put a fork into any future discussion of the process it'll be a Beane coaching staff adjustment.

[YoloinOhio]

[Thriftygamer83]

Well, at least it's not like Frank Reich just beat Tennesse with an up tempo offense and defense. On short rest please guys if you want to defend Sean in the wake of Indy dominating show me why Frank just brutally tore him apart and knew his weakness conservatively in defense.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Sean McDermott let his players buy into the hype. As if crowning themselves AFCE Champions before the first play was even made. Players admitted as much and what stings is Frank Reich saying changing his offense to up tempo and keeping the defense in blitz and routine zone packages had been what helped them most against Tennesse. It's pretty much showing the lack of effort and attitude the team has had in big games.

We've got a team which beat Tennesse last season. We've got a Coach whose pretty much tuned out his critics. And, hasn't really matured the Hail Murray and Kliff Kingsbury pretty much provided what we knew. Sean thought he'd already won and had packed it in. He's believing the hype as well if we go through the turmoil of mounting losses. It's like a slow unwinding of the locker room pretty much.

As it is Reich does more with less and an aging Quarterback. It's a gut punch on what Sean isn't and that is disciplined.

Leave

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Well, at least it's not like Frank Reich just beat Tennesse with an up tempo offense and defense. On short rest please guys if you want to defend Sean in the wake of Indy dominating show me why Frank just brutally tore him apart and knew his weakness conservatively in defense.

 

Did we play Indy yesterday? Who is confused here. The transitive power does not apply. We play the game to see who wins. 

[Thriftygamer83]

Come on Frank blew out Tennesse when we had players admitting they bought into the hype build up behind them. Which got worse against KC, with a hail Murray, and Kingsbury actually looking more like a guy whose earned his head coaching job. Sean just looked like he's getting ready to bolt after that loss with crying and trying to keep it together during a presser. Frank just handed Sean his baseball bat Negan style.

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Come on Frank blew out Tennesse when we had players admitting they bought into the hype build up behind them. Which got worse against KC, with a hail Murray, and Kingsbury actually looking more like a guy whose earned his head coaching job. Sean just looked like he's getting ready to bolt after that loss with crying and trying to keep it together during a presser. Frank just handed Sean his baseball bat Negan style.

I hear Indy has a few spots open on their bandwagon. Go cheer for frank since you love him so much ❤️❤️❤️

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Sean McDermott let his players buy into the hype. As if crowning themselves AFCE Champions before the first play was even made. Players admitted as much and what stings is Frank Reich saying changing his offense to up tempo and keeping the defense in blitz and routine zone packages had been what helped them most against Tennesse. It's pretty much showing the lack of effort and attitude the team has had in big games.

We've got a team which beat Tennesse last season. We've got a Coach whose pretty much tuned out his critics. And, hasn't really matured the Hail Murray and Kliff Kingsbury pretty much provided what we knew. Sean thought he'd already won and had packed it in. He's believing the hype as well if we go through the turmoil of mounting losses. It's like a slow unwinding of the locker room pretty much.

As it is Reich does more with less and an aging Quarterback. It's a gut punch on what Sean isn't and that is disciplined.

 

Yeaaaaaah.  This would have a lot more, and by a lot more here I mean "some", if you actually put some links or references to back up what you claim the players "admitted", because I haven't heard any such thing.

 

When I listen to McDermott pressers I hear a lot of taking responsibility and acknowledging criticism and not a lot of "tuning out"

 

I think "nothing to see here, move along" but you could delight and amaze me

 

 

[Thriftygamer83]

Colts 34
Tennessee 17
Now we were dismantled by a score of.
Bills 16
Titans 42
Anybody else got anything to say like leave or moron to me? Really, frank Reich it's on a Coachling Clinic old school. And, just pretty much dismissed the Pegula's and McDermott with one signature win. The going up tempo has sealed the deal on McDermott and his defenders.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Come on Frank blew out Tennesse when we had players admitting they bought into the hype build up behind them. Which got worse against KC, with a hail Murray, and Kingsbury actually looking more like a guy whose earned his head coaching job. Sean just looked like he's getting ready to bolt after that loss with crying and trying to keep it together during a presser. Frank just handed Sean his baseball bat Negan style.

 

Where and when did players admit this?  Thanks

 

PS possibly, don't Drink and Post

[Thriftygamer83]

Wow, Bills fans who drag the depths and actually hate Frank Reich. In such a delusional rush to prove their love for Sean. That's not a great cult of personality and culture here. Yeah, bringing us out of the drought felt great. But, beyond that I'm pretty sure fans here have burned out memories of Reich's comeback because he coaches for Indy and since that happened he's dead to them.

As for the Micah Hyde interviews covering the Titans and KC losses.

[Thriftygamer83]

Please do yourselves a favor then don't ever repost and compliment Reich for the Comeback. Or, say you stand behind him as a Coach because it's pretty evident you never would've done any of the above. Now, that he Coaches for Indy he's dead to you.

[Big Turk]

30 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Guys Frank Reich just owned the Tennesse Titans we cannot talk about Sean McDermott as evolving as a Coach. When he has regressed and his players admitted to buying the hype. It's how he's managed to lose so much of the locker room and has pretty much fallen apart as a defensive genius. Reich wins with a no name defense and an aging Quarterback in up tempo both sides of the ball against better teams. McDermott has regressed completely to his first year. We don't know if he'll crash and burn to 9-7 pr 8-8 at this point. If he does put a fork into any future discussion of the process it'll be a Beane coaching staff adjustment.

 

Who has beaten the most teams in the NFL with a winning record?

 

Oh...that is right. The Bills.

[Thriftygamer83]

To many penalties means not enough discipline and maturity in the head coach. We had this game sealed up and folks go back to moral victories I don't see Frank Reich letting up on dismissing us as being a team which plays down tempo and has pretty much put itself into a situation where it should have been 8-2 and due to sloppy Coaching in the last second is now 7-3 I stick by what I said about Reich if he's dead to you then on the anniversary of the comeback never post a video or say you loved him here

When Hopkins dubbed Tre as overrated I thought let play determine it this season. It has and we overpaid on Tre instead of letting him earn his contract and extension this season. We are now scrambling to find anyway to bolster our secondary.

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

I've been a big McClappy critic but this is a major accomplishment this year considering he was 3-15 the previous 3 seasons combined.

 

And it's at pretty safe bet at this point that all 4 teams we've beat are playoff bound as are the 3 teams we've lost to.

 

The big issue though how a head coach with a defensive pedigree could let that side of the ball become so terrible in a year we are finally fielding a 21st century NFL offense. And I also question the rising number of penalties each week which has also contributed to this team falling apart in the 3rd quarter every week.

 

Simple...its because defense is much more inconsistent on a year to year basis than offense. That is, there is no correlation between one year's defensive performance and the next year's performance while there is a correlation between the two on offense.

 

Also consider last year we played a bunch of bad offenses and 3rd string QBs.

 

This year we are playing a lot of top 10 offenses. 

 

So has the defense gotten worse or have they just played a lot more good offensive teams and elite QBs?