Allen's maturation has been impressive to watch...key audible changed the game yesterday

[dollars 2 donuts]

Unbelievable...

 

 

...Josh Allen's stats in the five games he has played without the brace are 136 of 186, a 73.11 completion percentage, for 1,741 yards (348 yards per game), with 15 tds, 1 interception, and a passer rating of 126.66.

Edited November 9, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He's been wearing a brace since the Raiders game.  In Tenn, it was a big contraption almost analogous to what Milano was wearing.  In KC, he was wearing the same and in frustration took it off in the 4th Q.  You could see him on the sidelines vehemently shaking his head at a trainer (who presumably wanted him to put it back on).  Against the Jets, he was wearing a smaller, less restrictive brace over kinesotape.  You can see it in the Bills PR photo day of the Jets game here:

 

Against the Patriots, I couldn't see a brace visible, but Bangedup says he's still wearing one - it may be a still less bulky and less restrictive one that fits under his clothes.  It may also have been one reason for the run-heavy gameplan vs. the Pats.  I didn't see one this week, in practice or in the game - he may still have been taped.  I know from personal experience that a good PT can do more with tape than many braces can achieve, and the right tape and spray products will produce a tape job that will hold against sweat and showers.

 

You can search Dr Kyle Trimble's blog for mentions of Allen, newest weeks first.

https://bangedupbills.com/

 

 

It's been visible and Bangedupbills has talked about it on his blog.

Pretty sure it is still taped. Saw something coming from under his sleeve in the 4th quarter.  Looked like his touch was coming back yesterday. 

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Bradshaw is, was and always will be a joke.  His comments pre-game yesterday proved that.   No consideration of the weather, game plan, etc. , just Josh Allen is back to his old form, inaccurate blah blah blah.  

 

 

Bradshaw is too much bluster, little substance and unlimited annoyance. I wish we beat his beloved Steelers and hear from him how Ben was having an off day. 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

so help me out here. which games did allen where the left arm brace?  cause that seems to have been the reason for his problems

 

I do not know but he should have talked to Gronk during offseason on how to use it properly.

With all of those sacks using it properly may have discouraged some rushers.

[Royale with Cheese]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RyanTalbotBills/status/1325783009539264513
 

Jamal Adams and Jalen Ramsey criticized Josh Allen heavily after the #Bills drafted him in 2018. Here are Allen’s stat lines vs. Adams and Ramsey this year. Adams/#Seahawks

 

: 31/38, 415 yards, 4 total TDs Ramsey/#Rams: 24/31, 311 yards, 4 total TDs, 1 INT

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

It was Gold solo rip (maybe whip) in the Jets game. 

 

I was thinking about this yesterday but I think were ok.  Its an audible for a Cover 0 blitz.  Thats hard to check out of and the throw is going to the WR with a defender playing off coverage it looks like (usually Brown cause youre gonna press beasley) so youre not alerting a guy directly defending the play.  Thus, I think we might be ok. 

 

My biggest fear would be the press player going to brown and making an impact play (like a pick).  Otherwise maybe a rusher or that CB recognizes and makes the play for a small gain only which wouldnt be the end of the world.

 

Press player shouldn't be able to get there because those WR's are able to block immediately since the throw is behind the line of scrimmage and they are within a yard past the line of scrimmage.

[StHustle]

3 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Wow - if this is true about JA and his shoulder....man.  Just man!  Bring on those Cards!!!

 

Yep...McD said Josh is a tough sucker and many QBs would have taken a game or two off with that same injury. My faith in a 12-4 season is back!

[YattaOkasan]

6 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Press player shouldn't be able to get there because those WR's are able to block immediately since the throw is behind the line of scrimmage and they are within a yard past the line of scrimmage.

Yeah agree its not much of a concern but maybe a swim or shed of the block if you know its coming.  The ball doesnt have heat on it.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Unbelievable...

 

 

...Josh Allen's stats in the five games he has played without the brace are 136 of 186, a 73.11 completion percentage, for 1,741 yards (348 yards per game), with 15 tds, 1 interception a passer rating of 126.66.

 

And that "1 INT" is from the Rams game and wasnt a real interception.

[Stevie Ray]

I think it's time to get my eyes checked. Totally misread the thread title (hint: "maturation"). What a relief I misread it! 😆

[Simon]

5 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

One of my favorite moments of the season.  Josh in the close up because it’s a critical 3rd down and he yells “Gold whip” twice.  I’ve been watching close this season and I jumped out of my seat. Told my brother in law that a WR screen was coming and it’s gonna be good. When they went to the wide angle I found Brown right away and then boom sauce. That was a lot of fun. 

Yeah that was perfect production work how they caught him checking in to something else at just the right moment.

I didn't know what it was when he was calling it, but it was clear he saw something reeeeeal juicy and was taking advantage. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Unbelievable...

 

 

...Josh Allen's stats in the five games he has played without the brace are 136 of 186, a 73.11 completion percentage, for 1,741 yards (348 yards per game), with 15 tds, 1 interception a passer rating of 126.66.

 

I'm one who takes all stats "with a grain of salt" but that is an incredible one.

Josh improvement trajectory is wonderful and all reasonable data suggests the ceiling could be higher.

 

Shout out to Mr. Diggs and the rest of the receivers' for helping in this.

 

It's a fun time to be a Bills fan!

[RevWarRifleman]

His maturation has been great to see since his first season! He reminds me of a young Aaron Rogers.

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, ganesh said:

Another audible appeared to be the  TD to Davis...Where he initially at least faked for running in  by himself and then did a double pump and threw to a wide open Davis.

 

5 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i couldn’t tell if that play was designed to be a pass, or a RPO,  or was Josh improvising.

Looked like it was designed.

 

Tim Tebow did that play a lot at Florida.

[starrymessenger]

JA grows in spurts. He grew a foot in height and 30 pounds in weight one year as a teenager. He's grown by leaps and bounds as an NFL QB since entering the league, especially year 2 to year 3. Scary thing is that he's got room to grow and is clearly still on an upward trajectory. He's got things to prove, but next year at this time (if not before) he may well be credibly mentioned in the discussion about who is the best QB.

[Mark Vader]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Almost certain it was by design. Florida and Tebow ran that play all the time around the goal line. With Allen's threat to run the ball it is a great play call

I said the same thing to my friends at the bar yesterday. "That's the Tim Tebow play!"

[HappyDays]

 

✅ Progressions

✅ Reading the corner

✅ Pocket movement

✅ Accuracy

 

We have something here, folks.

[smuvtalker]

I don't mean to jump off topic fellas, but you know another thing that I notice watching Josh sling the rock?  And to be honest I've really been seeing it since week 2, although I'm sure he's been doing it all season.  Josh barely flicks his wrist and the ball comes out on a frozen rope.  I mean, damn near every throw, its like he's barely using any arm strength and the ball travels 20 - 40 yards like a LASER.  I'll be a monkey's uncle if there's ANY other qb in the league who even comes close to Allen's arm strength.  You know why there wasn't a throw off between Allen and Mahomes?  Because it would've been an embarrassment to Mahomes.  No disrespect, Mahomes is an absolute baller, but he couldn't touch Allen's arm strength with a ten foot pole.  All of the improvements he made in the off-season, one of the most unsung, IMO, was him learning to take a little pepper off his fastball.  And what is just effing insane?  This kid is 24 freaking years old.....My God.  

 

Sorry for that little outburst.  Back to our regularly scheduled topic.  Yeah that was a great audible, rah rah rah...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, WatfordBills said:

Yep vs the Pats it was "Gold Tornado". Yesterday it was "Gold Whip". He might need a new audible without the word "gold" in it

Pewter? 

[starrymessenger]

8 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

I don't mean to jump off topic fellas, but you know another thing that I notice watching Josh sling the rock?  And to be honest I've really been seeing it since week 2, although I'm sure he's been doing it all season.  Josh barely flicks his wrist and the ball comes out on a frozen rope.  I mean, damn near every throw, its like he's barely using any arm strength and the ball travels 20 - 40 yards like a LASER.  I'll be a monkey's uncle if there's ANY other qb in the league who even comes close to Allen's arm strength.  You know why there wasn't a throw off between Allen and Mahomes?  Because it would've been an embarrassment to Mahomes.  No disrespect, Mahomes is an absolute baller, but he couldn't touch Allen's arm strength with a ten foot pole.  All of the improvements he made in the off-season, one of the most unsung, IMO, was him learning to take a little pepper off his fastball.  And what is just effing insane?  This kid is 24 freaking years old.....My God.  

 

Sorry for that little outburst.  Back to our regularly scheduled topic.  Yeah that was a great audible, rah rah rah...

 

Ive also noticed how a flick of the wrist travels 30 yards on a rope. Every time I see it I shake my head and question my lying eyes. I just can't remember ever quite seeing that before.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Not quite on topic, but watching Brown’ acceleration on that play was one of my favorite moments of the game. 

[Bray Wyatt]

3 hours ago, Stevie Ray said:

I think it's time to get my eyes checked. Totally misread the thread title (hint: "maturation"). What a relief I misread it! 😆

 

Yet you still opened it anyway....... 🤣

[smuvtalker]

7 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Ive also noticed how a flick of the wrist travels 30 yards on a rope. Every time I see it I shake my head and question my lying eyes. I just can't remember ever quite seeing that before.

Same here.  Makes me wonder, how far would the damn ball travel if Josh cocked back and put his everything into a throw?  Might be like the Aaron Rodgers State Farm commercial where he's throwing the tennis ball with his dog, and on the last throw he chucks it and the ball disappears into the sky, and his dog just sits down. 😄

[Stevie Ray]

3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

Yet you still opened it anyway....... 🤣

LOL, morbid curiosity!

[starrymessenger]

2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Not quite on topic, but watching Brown’ acceleration on that play was one of my favorite moments of the game. 

 

One of my favourite was watching Darryl Johnson destroy a Hawks kickoff returner after a Bills TD. Plays like that are a message to a team looking to regroup and come back. The message is "no, not today". Bills had a number of plays like that yesterday. Truth is they dominated Seattle in all three phases of the game - beginning with the opening kickoff. I suspect that McCoach had something to say to his team during the week leading up to the game. 

[Mark Vader]

8 hours ago, warrior9 said:

I heard Josh say, "Hey.. hey.. Gold Whip.. Gold Whip"  (or something along those lines) ... I'd have to assume it was an audible or at least one of the two plays called in the huddle

 

8 hours ago, WatfordBills said:

Yep vs the Pats it was "Gold Tornado". Yesterday it was "Gold Whip". He might need a new audible without the word "gold" in it

 

[Ralonzo]

On 11/9/2020 at 10:18 AM, WatfordBills said:

Yep vs the Pats it was "Gold Tornado". Yesterday it was "Gold Whip". He might need a new audible without the word "gold" in it

 

 

[TBBills]

On 11/9/2020 at 8:26 AM, matter2003 said:

Feliciano stated that the huge play to Brown on that 3rd and 16 where Allen threw the WR screen and Brown raced down to the 2 was an audible from Josh because he noticed an all out pressure coming and saw the DB playing way off Brown. 

 

We have heard several other times this year about great checks Allen has made at the line that have resulted in big plays but perhaps none was bigger than this one to really put a dagger in Seattle's attempted comeback at that point in the game.

 

Seeing Allen's maturation and him making great checks based on the film study and preparation and understanding of what is going on is great to see and he is only scratching the surface of his potential...

So what you're saying is Daboll still isn't the one to counter the all out blitz? Even after the previous two drives full of them? Scary thoughts... Thankfully Josh knew better.

[Billsfan1972]

My play was the 3rd & 6 near halftime where if forced to punt Seattle has a chance to score & momentum & the ball to start the second half.

 

Rolls out under pressure, no chance to run for the 1st & hits Beasley for 23 yards on the run.

 

Maybe the most important play & showed the maturation of Allen in full force. 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, TBBills said:

So what you're saying is Daboll still isn't the one to counter the all out blitz? Even after the previous two drives full of them? Scary thoughts... Thankfully Josh knew better.

 

I don't think this is an accurate statement. Likely he calls a play or two playa and then Allen's job is to get them into the right play based on the defense and what they are doing. Or to audible to a check at the line.

 

This is similar to how all other offenses run so I am not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

 

Ultimately the QB has a lot of input into the play that gets ran IF the OC allows him to audible, which in some cases with young QBs is not the case.

 

Also that screen to Zack Moss that hit for like 25 or 30 yards was definitely a Daboll call.

Edited November 11, 2020 by matter2003

[Rock'em Sock'em]

On 11/9/2020 at 9:09 AM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i couldn’t tell if that play was designed to be a pass, or a RPO,  or was Josh improvising.

It was a designed fake run, pass play.  You can tell by the way the OLINE faked run blocking, and then pass blocked.  This was a great change-up from the other 20 times we ran it from a similar down/distance/field position with a similar formation and set.

 

Another changeup was actually snapping the ball at the end of a quarter against favorable looks, when they had just been going for the off-sides calls.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

 

Another changeup was actually snapping the ball at the end of a quarter against favorable looks, when they had just been going for the off-sides calls.

agree completely. Really brilliant there. Caught the defense off guard, and got an easy gain out of it. 

[BigDingus]

On 11/9/2020 at 8:16 AM, CorkScrewHill said:

Yep .. I posted this on the post game thread ... Hasselbeck actually predicted Josh would excel today as he should be recovered. Mentioned when wearing the brace you tend to float it high

 

he starts a little after me the 2 minute mark

 

Damn, that's almost prophetic. I gotta start paying more attention to Hasselbeck. 

[Big Turk]

On 11/9/2020 at 4:55 PM, smuvtalker said:

Same here.  Makes me wonder, how far would the damn ball travel if Josh cocked back and put his everything into a throw?  Might be like the Aaron Rodgers State Farm commercial where he's throwing the tennis ball with his dog, and on the last throw he chucks it and the ball disappears into the sky, and his dog just sits down. 😄

 

I remember the first few games Allen played the ball would be caught before the cameraman could get the receiver in the picture...now they are usually pretty good but every once in a while when he dials it up it still happens.