Allen2Moulds Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I went into todays game with the expectation that we would lose, but how we lost is what bothers me most. I know that they rushed for over 200yds, and we can easily point to that, but the reason we lost is because we played scared. The champs were in town, and you can see how tight they were, and it started from the top down. Already down multiple scores they had plenty of time to run a play, and they let the 3rd quarter expire. That showed me all I needed to know about they're mentality going in. That trickled all the way down, starting with Josh Allen. This was 2018 Josh Allen. He was off all night, not even close on most of his incompletions. Obviously I blame coaching 1st. They played coverage all night which is what you have to do against Mahommes, and its probably the only smart thing they did today. But once again, they could not execute outside contain. It killed them both in the run, and with Mahommes extending plays outside the pocket. We had those same issues against Tannehill last week. Beyond frustrated. I think what's even more amazing about that, is that they equally gashed us up the middle. Again, its a timid, scared style of football that lost us the game. We only showed some bite, when it was too late. Where was that aggression the first 52 min of the game. Even still, we couldn't stop them due to stupid mental collapses. 2 personal fouls, and poor zone coverage multiple times on that last drive. It led to 2 key 3rd down conversions, game over. Now that we played the best, I hope they never played that scared again. Thanks for letting me vent, it does help. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Is Josh the QB of weeks 1-4 or is he the QB of weeks 5&6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, chef4131 said: Is Josh the QB of weeks 1-4 or is he the QB of weeks 5&6 He's Mitch Trubisky 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, chef4131 said: Is Josh the QB of weeks 1-4 or is he the QB of weeks 5&6 I have NO clue! Edited October 20, 2020 by Blainorama5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, chef4131 said: Is Josh the QB of weeks 1-4 or is he the QB of weeks 5&6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Allen's left shoulder is messed up from the Raiders game. A few throws he screamed when he made them. 8 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Again, its a timid, scared style of football that lost us the game. We only showed some bite, when it was too late. Where was that aggression the first 52 min of the game. Even still, we couldn't stop them due to stupid mental collapses. 2 personal fouls, and poor zone coverage multiple times on that last drive. It led to 2 key 3rd down conversions, game over. Last year it was all bend don't break. Get the short field and an opportune turnover or penalty. Allen's on target, the Bills have the lead, no rush game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, beavis said: Allen's left shoulder is messed up from the Raiders game. A few throws he screamed when he made them. What... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 He was screaming when he threw the ball. The Beasley TD drive in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I blame the 5 pm start. It’s an unnatural And unamerican time to start a football game. It ruined my normal TV watching rhythm. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: He's Mitch Trubisky I don't think he's Trubisky, but I am certainly concerned. The Tenn game was more about the def, Josh had a bad pass at the end, but overall had an at least solid game. Today was horrendous, and he looked like the scared guy from the 1st half of 2019. He's young and hopefully grows from this, but Frazier and McDermott are running out of excuses. Also questioning Beane. Besides Allen, who we are now a little concerned about, what impact player has he drafted? I was watching SF last night and they are loaded with young talent on both sides of the ball. I don't see that on the Bills. Most of the key pieces were FA signings. The entire offense except for Allen. Tre Day and Milano were drafted before Beane got here. Poyer and Hyde were FA signings. Where. Is Hyde by the way, he's been invisible thus far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Last week we had trouble containing the edge and Tannehill made some plays getting outside on 3rd down. Same thing happened with Mahomes. The Raiders changed things up at times and spy’d Mahomes and rushed 3. Mahomes’ pocket awareness is high. Rushing 4 is not enough and if you rush 5 he’ll find the open guy. I think our defense was just too predictable and he just sidestepped the pressure.... not to mention stopping the run was impossible. But giving up all those 3rd downs killed us.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: He's Mitch Trubisky Jesus H Christ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It’s all about 3rd down defense... plain and simple. The Bills lost because they couldn’t get KC off the field. Same as the game versus Tennessee 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I had low expectations and was still disappointed 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, JohnNord said: It’s all about 3rd down defense... plain and simple. The Bills lost because they couldn’t get KC off the field. Same as the game versus Tennessee At the end that was true, but must of the game they gashed us on early downs, and rarely was it 3rd and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I have always hated playing not to lose. In 2017 when it yielded upset wins in Atlanta and KC this board was flooded by people calling this same brand of football "exciting".............to me it was unwatchable. It's discouraging that they still had to resort to that gameplan in year 4. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Allen2Moulds said: At the end that was true, but must of the game they gashed us on early downs, and rarely was it 3rd and long. Ok but KC was 9/14 on 3rd down which is a ridiculously high percentage. If the Bills made a few stops, this could be a different game. Same with Tennessee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, beavis said: He was screaming when he threw the ball. The Beasley TD drive in the 4th. A few of us in this forum think he's hurt as well. You could see him wince as he tried to brace with his left arm as he was going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: He's Mitch Trubisky Yeah if trubisky was 3 inches taller, 30 pounds heavier, way more athletic and most importantly didn't suck at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Is it that teams are playing to stop longer completions, will give up dink and dunk stuff, but they know Allen won't take those throws often enough. Easy solution would be to run the ball but with limited success there to, makes it easy to stop. Am wondering if return of Feleciano will turn run game around? Who knows if Fors injury is anything serious we may be back to Spain and Feleciano at guard again like last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman3 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We lost because we lost in the trenches. Simple as that. Allen had a clean pocket maybe 2 times all game and was our leading rusher with 40 yards. We have zero running game and that starts with the O Line 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This is the 2008 Buffalo Bills my friends. Start off strong with some fluky wins, come back to earth because you have drafted awful players and end up 6-10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Ok but KC was 9/14 on 3rd down which is a ridiculously high percentage. If the Bills made a few stops, this could be a different game. Same with Tennessee It's easy to convert 3rd downs when averaging 6-7 yards per rush attempt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasaluki Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I think the fans not being there is a killer. Even a few thousand... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: He's Mitch Trubisky Allen is not Trubisky not even close lol. Allen is a great QB and the best one we’ve had in a very long time. Kelly wasn’t much to write home about he was carried by a very talented team both offensively and defensively. 10 minutes ago, uticaclub said: This is the 2008 Buffalo Bills my friends. Start off strong with some fluky wins, come back to earth because you have drafted awful players and end up 6-10 This is not an overreaction lol. Good god nothing will please the fan base here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: We lost because we lost in the trenches. Simple as that. Allen had a clean pocket maybe 2 times all game and was our leading rusher with 40 yards. We have zero running game and that starts with the O Line You have to win the line of scrimmage. We got abused there. I don’t know if it’s talent, scheme or coaching (or all of the above) but it needs to be fixed on BOTH sides of the ball. Football games are won along the LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It looked like Jauron was calling the plays (offense and defense) today and last week. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, uticaclub said: This is the 2008 Buffalo Bills my friends. Start off strong with some fluky wins, come back to earth because you have drafted awful players and end up 6-10 I'll save this to the "overly pessimistic bills fan" file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Biggest reason we lost is because Allen looked like bad Tyrod for most of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Biggest reason we lost is because Allen looked like bad Tyrod for most of the game. And not giving up 40 minutes of posession and 240 rushing yards to KC? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, chef4131 said: Is Josh the QB of weeks 1-4 or is he the QB of weeks 5&6 that’s the question. Josh plays small in big games, not that he had any help from the RB’s or OL. 30 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: We lost because we lost in the trenches. Simple as that. Allen had a clean pocket maybe 2 times all game and was our leading rusher with 40 yards. We have zero running game and that starts with the O Line no nastyness in either line. our most “nasty” player is Allen. Edited October 20, 2020 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Allen2Moulds said: I don't think he's Trubisky, but I am certainly concerned. The Tenn game was more about the def, Josh had a bad pass at the end, but overall had an at least solid game. Today was horrendous, and he looked like the scared guy from the 1st half of 2019. He's young and hopefully grows from this, but Frazier and McDermott are running out of excuses. Also questioning Beane. Besides Allen, who we are now a little concerned about, what impact player has he drafted? I was watching SF last night and they are loaded with young talent on both sides of the ball. I don't see that on the Bills. Most of the key pieces were FA signings. The entire offense except for Allen. Tre Day and Milano were drafted before Beane got here. Poyer and Hyde were FA signings. Where. Is Hyde by the way, he's been invisible thus far. Hyde has been Hyding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We are one dimensional on offense and the last two weeks two of the best teams in the NFL (combined record of 10 - 1) were able to exploit it. The Bills RB's & TE's are bottom 5 in the NFL. They don't scare anyone. The Titans & Chiefs, with an assist from the weather tonight, took away Allen & the WR's bread & butter. Our RB's and TE's couldn't make up the difference. All it takes is a 25 yard run by a RB to bring a safety back to the LOC. The lack of production by our RB's & TE's when facing the kind of defense the Chiefs and Titans played is a real problem. In contrast we successfully took away Mahomes WR's for most of the night and they responded by running the ball down our throats for 250 yards and a TD and then hitting their TE off play action for 2 more TD's. It's imperative that Knox get healthy and step up and be the play making TE he's shown flashes of being. If he can't Allen and the offense are going to continue to struggle against the better defenses & coaching staffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Are we seriously going to continue to make excuses for Allen for his inefficiency? He sucked today outside on the 5-5 drive. Plain and simple, he sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: No faith in your team. ***** weak ass game plan. That ***** at the end of the 3rd quarter was infuriating. Give me a break with that "let's see if they jump but not really because the quarter is ending" down 10 and needing to be aggressive. I dont get it. What do you have to lose? I expected this game to be frustrating........once it was clear that they were playing not to lose........which is not the kind of football I care to watch........ I was certain that they wouldn't break form until the end of the game. And they didn't. And had the Chiefs done the incredible and actually fumbled and lost it.....then the Bills probably would have taken a late lead and this board would be talking about how close they came to beating the Chiefs if Mahomes hadn't made some great play on the final drive of the game. I got in a full 1:26 episode of Fargo(minus commercials) between the breaks in play so at least I was THAT entertained. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, chef4131 said: Is Josh the QB of weeks 1-4 or is he the QB of weeks 5&6 He's somewhere in the middle. These last 2 games do not reflect his abilities but I think the first 4 games were somewhat his ceiling. He's probably going to be a 95-100 qbr kind of guy. But there's no way he's ever going to sustain a 122qbr and 71% over a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman3 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He's somewhere in the middle. These last 2 games do not reflect his abilities but I think the first 4 games were somewhat his ceiling. He's probably going to be a 95-100 qbr kind of guy. But there's no way he's ever going to sustain a 122qbr and 71% over a full season. Fun fact, Allen had a higher QBR this game than Mahomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Andy Reid made McClappy his biotch tonight Edited October 20, 2020 by Sweats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: This is not an overreaction lol. Good god nothing will please the fan base here. we drafted poorly and our free agents aren’t panning out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 hours ago, That's No Moon said: He's Mitch Trubisky What Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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