LB48 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Derek Carr has a very quick release. He throws quick and accurate short timing passes. With the Fitz success vs. Levi and a general lack of respect for the middle coverage by MLB Edmunds in the RAMS game it's a possibility! Regardless, GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, LB48 said: Derek Carr has a very quick release. He throws quick and accurate short timing passes. With the Fitz success vs. Levi and a general lack of respect for the middle coverage by MLB Edmunds in the RAMS game it's a possibility! Regardless, GO BILLS! He doesn’t have 1 good wr to throw too. We need to smother the run and key on waller Edited October 3, 2020 by NewEra 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I think Levi Wallace is a lot better than people think.. but of course Carr will go after him.. Tre is the alternative and although Tre has had a down year I think he’s poised to break out eventually.. I think Darren Waller is a huge threat to our defense... I’d look out for him.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 For me, this all boils down to 2020 and the defenses not having sufficient time to acclimate. It’s league-wide. For a Star Wars reference: patience, my young Padawan, patience. 😃 I mentioned elsewhere that McD’s D always have a three game shortfall during the season. We are now on the outside looking in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Way more concerned with picking on Edmunds who looked completely lost out there last week. Goff ate him alive. His lack of discipline to his zone is going to cost this team until he learns to do his job or he gets replaced. Edited October 3, 2020 by DCofNC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Way more concerned with picking on Edmunds who looked completely lost out there last week. Goff ate him alive. His lack of discipline to his zone is going to cost this team until he learns to do his job or he gets replaced. I agree. He's constantly running all over in the middle of the field and accomplishing nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I think Levi Wallace is a lot better than people think.. but of course Carr will go after him.. Tre is the alternative and although Tre has had a down year I think he’s poised to break out eventually.. I think Darren Waller is a huge threat to our defense... I’d look out for him.. I agree with this about 100%. Levi isn’t bad, he just lacks consistency. Renfrow will also be a serious weapon to go with waller. They’re gonna dink and dunk 5 yard passes all day long pounding Jacobs. Let’s hope Zay Jones doesn’t appear and have a career game lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I knew who started this thread by the title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I knew who started this thread by the title. Thank You. It's great to be recognized. Any comments on the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 O/U on TDs by Josh: 5. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, LB48 said: Derek Carr has a very quick release. He throws quick and accurate short timing passes. With the Fitz success vs. Levi and a general lack of respect for the middle coverage by MLB Edmunds in the RAMS game it's a possibility! Regardless, GO BILLS! You think there's a general lack of respect for Edmunds in coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Renfrow will torch Johnson. He’s the receiver to worry about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, LB48 said: I agree. He's constantly running all over in the middle of the field and accomplishing nothing. Lol. You really just have no idea what you are talking about. Edmunds was very bad defending the run. He was solid the overwhelming majority of the game in pass protection. The only time he looked bad in pass protection was when he was chasing Woods or Kupp, which of course is an impossible assignment for almost anyone, much less a linebacker. Getting guys in that position, however, is what makes McVay so good. Fans, for whatever reason, think that if a player was bad in one distinct area of responsibility, they were bad in all areas. This is obviously not how that works. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Lol. You really just have no idea what you are talking about. Edmunds was very bad defending the run. He was solid the overwhelming majority of the game in pass protection. The only time he looked bad in pass protection was when he was chasing Woods or Kupp, which of course is an impossible assignment for almost anyone, much less a linebacker. Getting guys in that position, however, is what makes McVay so good. Fans, for whatever reason, think that if a player was bad in one distinct area of responsibility, they were bad in all areas. This is obviously not how that works. Did you see Edmunds defend a single pass Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LB48 said: Did you see Edmunds defend a single pass Sunday? THAT comment. That comment right there. That is how I know you have no idea what you are talking about. 90% of what makes him so effective is he deters passes over and through him. He makes throwing over the middle of the field so much more difficult. This is the equivalent of saying a CB is a good defender because he has a lot of tackles--it just completely misunderstands their role in the defense. Edited October 3, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, LB48 said: I agree. He's constantly running all over in the middle of the field and accomplishing nothing. You two are seriously confused, Edmunds isn’t going anywhere, the guy was coming off a shoulder injury at the same time Milano was coming off a hamstring injury, both after being out for a game, context fellas, context... talk about looking at players with blinders on... nuthin but luv, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 man front and double team Waller. Stop Jacobs and the run. Win the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Zay Jones will torch him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: THAT comment. That comment right there. That is how I know you have no idea what you are talking about. 90% of what makes him so effective is he deters passes over and through him. He makes throwing over the middle of the field so much more difficult. This is the equivalent of saying a CB is a good defender because he has a lot of tackles--it just completely misunderstands their role in the defense. 27 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: THAT comment. That comment right there. That is how I know you have no idea what you are talking about. 90% of what makes him so effective is he deters passes over and through him. He makes throwing over the middle of the field so much more difficult. This is the equivalent of saying a CB is a good defender because he has a lot of tackles--it just completely misunderstands their role in the defense. I think you have more belief in Edmunds than his stats justify. Per ESPN Stats Edmunds in 2 games he has ZERO passes defended. Even Levi has 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 troll thread 100% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, LB48 said: I think you have more belief in Edmunds than his stats justify. Per ESPN Stats Edmunds in 2 games he has ZERO passes defended. Even Levi has 3. Ok, we are in the trust tree here. Do you really think the stat passes defended is the appropriate metric for understanding what role Edmunds plays in our pass coverage? Like, if you really believe that, its just a matter of learning about how pass defense works in the NFL. You don't have to continue not knowing how this works. But you have to first admit that you don't quite understand. Maybe you're a novice; maybe your an offense guy. That's all fine. But you have to ask first. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, TroutDog said: For me, this all boils down to 2020 and the defenses not having sufficient time to acclimate. It’s league-wide. For a Star Wars reference: patience, my young Padawan, patience. 😃 I mentioned elsewhere that McD’s D always have a three game shortfall during the season. We are now on the outside looking in. I think some of the increased scoring can be attributed to the visiting QB's being able to hear, audible, re-set plays; tackles being able to get off on the snap of the ball and not a count late: no momentum for home teams when their fans are raucously cheering good plays and scores. Teams like the Rams that have lots of pre snap motion and movement catch a major break in playing in Buffalo without our fans there. Better QB play equals more scoring. Scoring is up all over the place. Running more collegiate type sets and colleges developing QB's who are familiar with it when they hit the pros helps too. Edited October 3, 2020 by BubbaT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, BubbaT said: I think it comes the visiting QB's being able to hear, audible, re-set plays; tackles being able to get off on the snap of the ball and not a count late: no momentum for home teams when their fans are raucously cheering good plays and scores. Teams like the Rams that have lots of pre snap motion and movement catch a major break in playing in Buffalo without our fans there. Better QB play equals more scoring. Scoring is up all over the place. Running more collegiate type sets and colleges developing QB's who are familiar with it when they hit the pros helps too. I agree. There are many factors involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Waller and Renfrow will eat up 80% of the targets. Put Edmunds on Waller and White on Renfrow. They will throw to Jacobs. Carr rarely throws deep anymore so we got to find a way of clogging the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: troll thread 100% Thanks for a comment on the subject 15 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Ok, we are in the trust tree here. Do you really think the stat passes defended is the appropriate metric for understanding what role Edmunds plays in our pass coverage? Like, if you really believe that, its just a matter of learning about how pass defense works in the NFL. You don't have to continue not knowing how this works. But you have to first admit that you don't quite understand. Maybe you're a novice; maybe your an offense guy. That's all fine. But you have to ask first. Ask you - - wow. You have a belief in your mind and it won't change. Edmunds has become a big liability playing MLB in our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: O/U on TDs by Josh: 5. I'm not confident in the Under. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) There are a few players on the squad currently that are raising concern, to me at least. Harrison Phillips is getting pushed around way too much, probably not 100% yet. Levi Wallace, but not totally his fault. When an All Pro is on the other side you're gonna get picked on, especially if you're not starter material. Jerry Hughes (0 sacks and 1 assist in 3 games) YIKES! Trent Murphy (1 sack and 0 assists). Edmunds is not the least of my worries, he still shows flaws. But he's a freak athlete and very young learning a demanding position. There's more promise than concern when it comes to him. He will still have a place here if the whole MLB thing doesn't work out. Edited October 3, 2020 by billsbackto81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: He doesn’t have 1 good wr to throw too. We need to smother the run and key on waller Renfrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 If it's Levi Wallace vs Zay Jones, my money is on Wallace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: There are a few players on the squad currently that are raising concern, to me at least. Harrison Phillips is getting pushed around way too much, probably not 100% yet. Levi Wallace, but not totally his fault. When an All Pro is on the other side you're gonna get picked on, especially if you're not starter material. Jerry Hughes (0 sacks and 1 assist in 3 games) YIKES! Trent Murphy (1 sack and 0 assists). Edmunds is not the least of my worries, he still shows flaws. But he's a freak athlete and very young learning a demanding position. There's more promise than concern when it comes to him. He will still have a place here if the whole MLB thing doesn't work out. Great response. I think Edmunds will end up as an OLB where he doesn't have to stuff runs up the middle. Hughes just isn't a big factor anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Zay Jones is going to EAT! 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I'm more worried about taron johnson. Renfrow is gonna get lots of targets with ruggs and bryan edwards out and taron has been putrid in coverage this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: If it's Levi Wallace vs Zay Jones, my money is on Wallace. Wallace can catch the ball, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 For all his faults, Fitz is smart...is Carr or anyone on the Raiders? I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 is norman not returning this weekend?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 They are going to try to run it down our throats. That's the game plan. They don't have the ability or mismatches against our guys (Milano and the Safeties will keep Waller in check). I just hope the Secondary doesn't take the scrubs out there lightly because if Carr is hot it could be a problem. Especially if they're running it well. Front 7 you guys are under the spotlight this week. That oline is banged up and you just got abused by the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 4 hours ago, LB48 said: Derek Carr has a very quick release. He throws quick and accurate short timing passes. With the Fitz success vs. Levi and a general lack of respect for the middle coverage by MLB Edmunds in the RAMS game it's a possibility! Regardless, GO BILLS! Well, Carr can try, but It’s going to be tough with Levi on the sideline..... Josh Norman gets his shot this week. Somebody has to sit. This is a good problem as Levi is a good football player. We are doing what we are supposed to do, we are trying to get better. Hopefully, Mr. Norman can find the Carolina magic and really solidify our secondary adding toughness and big play ability. (Now, someone has to get Tremaine convinced he is a star and have him play like one. Then, we can play with KC ....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: They are going to try to run it down our throats. That's the game plan. They don't have the ability or mismatches against our guys (Milano and the Safeties will keep Waller in check). I just hope the Secondary doesn't take the scrubs out there lightly because if Carr is hot it could be a problem. Especially if they're running it well. Front 7 you guys are under the spotlight this week. That oline is banged up and you just got abused by the Rams. Well said. Tremaine was awful last week, whoever the LDT was also poor. We’ll see if we can slow down a running game this week. I’ll tell ya, I rewatched that Houston playoff game a couple of times and Star really played well in that game. He made critical third and short stops for us and know he is gone. This will be a great test to see if we can stop the run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bss Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Hes gonna be going up against either Zay Jones or Nelson Agholor I think he'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Levi should be ready to make more picks. Take one back for 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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