My hope for Brian Daboll

[Kwai San]

3 hours ago, smuvtalker said:

I hope the same as you, although if we continue to dominate offensively as we have been, and Allen continues to shine, Daboll is history.  To take a quarterback coming out of college with as many deficiencies as people perceived him to have, and develop him into not just a franchise QB, but into a possible league MVP?  He's a goner, some team is going to pay him handsomely as a head coach. And you know what? He will have earned it.  

 

I'm in love with the way he's called these first three games. I know for a fact this isn't a flash in the pan dumb luck streak, Daboll knows what he's doing, and now he has the general he needs to run this offense through every defense we face. 

 

I'd hate to lose him, and I would love to see Terry and Kim throw the vault at him.  But if the offer comes his way, he would be wise to make the career move that 99 out of every 100 other coaches would make, and that would be to advance his career to become a head coach.  

 

I would also like to point out that JA has something to say about his development too.  Not like he is being wound up like a toy by Daboll and set out on the field.  The kid is working his butt off during the offseason, working like crazy during the season.  As good or as bad as BD has been his success has been predicated on the product on the field.  What happens when he has a lackluster QB with next to no tools at his disposal, ie a crappy line, no running game and weak receivers?  Methinks he won't be looking so good then.

 

This is not to degenerate nor down play the success BD is having but A LOT of his success is coming due to the product on the field including JA.  A LOT!

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Daboll is staying until he takes his hometown team to the big dance minimum.

He would be foolish to take a NYJ/DET/etc job when he can be patient and get a top team that will come-a-courting.

You never know. Some guys have a limited window to becoming a HC and take their shot while they can.

[smuvtalker]

3 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

I would also like to point out that JA has something to say about his development too.  Not like he is being wound up like a toy by Daboll and set out on the field.  The kid is working his butt off during the offseason, working like crazy during the season.  As good or as bad as BD has been his success has been predicated on the product on the field.  What happens when he has a lackluster QB with next to no tools at his disposal, ie a crappy line, no running game and weak receivers?  Methinks he won't be looking so good then.

 

This is not to degenerate nor down play the success BD is having but A LOT of his success is coming due to the product on the field including JA.  A LOT!

I don't disagree with you at all.  To make the kind of progress that Josh has made this season, I don't care if you have Bellicheck as your HC, McVay as your OC, Peyton Manning as your QB coach.  You have to put the work in yourself.  And its obvious Allen has done this.  I think it's definitely a combination of the two, and that one benefits from the other.  Kind of reminds me of the great debate, who is better, Bellicheck as a coach, or Brady as a QB?  Would one be what he was if he didn't have the other?

 

No doubt Allen/Daboll make a great pair, and I'd love for them to remain together for the next 10+ years.  Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

You never know. Some guys have a limited window to becoming a HC and take their shot while they can.

 

True and a log of guys get their chance on a bad team with bad owners and blow their chance.

Daboll knows what it's like to be an OC on crummy teams and if he learned his lesson he will have patience.

 

I think a good example is going down to college was a great long term move by him.

He can stay with Josh Allen and Beane/McDermott and keep winning which will keep that window open for a good while.

[Kwai San]

1 minute ago, smuvtalker said:

I don't disagree with you at all.  To make the kind of progress that Josh has made this season, I don't care if you have Bellicheck as your HC, McVay as your OC, Peyton Manning as your QB coach.  You have to put the work in yourself.  And its obvious Allen has done this.  I think it's definitely a combination of the two, and that one benefits from the other.  Kind of reminds me of the great debate, who is better, Bellicheck as a coach, or Brady as a QB?  Would one be what he was if he didn't have the other?

 

No doubt Allen/Daboll make a great pair, and I'd love for them to remain together for the next 10+ years.  Whether that happens or not remains to be seen.

 

Not to mention the shiny toys JA has at his disposal.  Diggs, Brown, Cole, Motor.  Hard to pull off yesterdays game winner with out those folks on the field.  Yes I know Smoke wasn't there at the end but #13 sure was.  An awesome team right now.....

 

Go BILLS!!

[transient]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

...Between Allen's progress, the play-calling, and his connections to both Belichick and Saban, I think he'll be near the top of the list of coordinators that teams want to interview.

AND he will have been with the Bills for 3 of the 4 seasons that McD and Beane have been here. His involvement in a massive tear down and rebuild that by all accounts has been pretty successful will no doubt be viewed as invaluable by whatever team he ends up with. 

[Kirby Jackson]

20 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

No...I would hate it

 

It would be scary

[YattaOkasan]

My hope is that he gets a thank you for your work bonus from the Pegulas that encourages him to leave the AFC East and hopefully AFC.

 

My fear is that he takes the Jets HC job and he and Douglass fix Darnold or they can just take Trevor lawrence.

[Nihilarian]

Lets go back to the 2019 Dallas Cowboys game shall we? Daboll was looking to be a head coach last year as Carolina was interested in him. Then the Ravens game happened and Allen was eaten alive by their constant blitzing...all the while Daboll kept calling for pass plays. The only team that interviewed him were the Cleveland Browns.

 

Daboll has "always" called more passing plays like he has a veteran QB behind center with a top offensive player core. Well, now this season Allen is looking like an all pro QB with Beasley, Brown, Diggs and even rookie Gabe Davis he has a top receiving core. You can even throw RB Singletary into that mix.

 

In my view Daboll should still be running the ball more and particularly in the second half of that Rams game as that interception sparked the Rams 29 point comeback.

Motor only has 10 more carries then Josh Allen at this point. Daboll has the Patriots playbook and yet he doesn't utilize the run game like the Patriots have done. Look at what they did against the Raiders this past week.

 

The Bills need to build their power run game enough to take over a game when needed IMO. 

 

Yes, Josh Allen has looked brilliant the first three weeks of the 2020 season and yes Brian Daboll has called some great games, so far. #4 total offense!

@Raiders, @Titans, Chiefs, Patriots, Seahawks, @ Cardinals, Chargers, @ 49ers, Steelers, @ Patriots yet to play. 

 

Anyway, like others have mentions I think its a bit early to be thinking end of season just yet as so many things could happen. For my take, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the next 13+ games and then think about what might transpire after the season. 

 

 

P.S. Ole googly eyes is probably gonna be fired before the Bills play them again in week 7. Gregg Williams will also probably take over...unless they really want to tank for Trevor Lawrence. Jets fans gotta be crying big time that they could have drafted Allen and chose Darnold. Come to think of it, 5 other teams are probably crying too. 

 

Texans are 0-3. Jags are 1-2. Denver is 0-3. Dallas 1-2, Eagles 0-2-1. Detroit 1-2, Minnesota 0-3. Atlanta 0-3. Gonna be lots of HCing jobs after this season.

 

 

[TBBills]

5 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

We've all heard the talk about Daboll becoming a likely candidate for more head coaching interviews in the future, and that will likely continue as Josh Allen ascends.

 

I have to admit, I'm holding out a bit of hope that as the Bills continue to move into the top echelon of teams, that Daboll will pump the brakes on his own career aspirations and stay focused on bringing a championship to his hometown.

 

Or maybe, Pegula revisits his contract and sweetens it a bit in light of Allen's development?

 

Is this hope on my part completely irrational?

 

 

Only being heard here... which doesnt matter. He wont be HC next year anywhere don't worry.

[DCofNC]

Yeah, Inthink we all remember last year when we would have given him away.  Great play makes things a lot easier.  Allen has stepped up, Diggs was a huge add and the line is arguably better as well, so his schemes are easier to make happen.  When he wasn’t getting great play, he refused to adjust.  I’m not super sold on him.

[Nihilarian]

23 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

My hope is that he gets a thank you for your work bonus from the Pegulas that encourages him to leave the AFC East and hopefully AFC.

 

My fear is that he takes the Jets HC job and he and Douglass fix Darnold or they can just take Trevor lawrence.

I think you guys are misconstruing between what Brandon Beane has done and Brian Daboll has done. 

 

Beane built that offense for Josh Allen, drafted RB *Devin Singletary, traded for Diggs, signed Brown, Beasley. Built that offensive line so Josh has time to throw it all over to all that talent. Honestly, I'm more worried about Beane getting stolen away by a team offering him to be president/GM. 

 

The New York Jets are a mess all over the roster and Daboll would be a fool to that that job when so many others will be better with better rosters. Like Atlanta with Matt Ryan to think of one.  JMO

Edited September 28, 2020 by Nihilarian

[MJS]

Allen is by far the most important component to the offense. As long as he sticks around we should be fine. I don't think McDermott will allow an OC to come in and change things significantly.

[YattaOkasan]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

I think you guys are misconstruing between what Brandon Beane has done and Brian Daboll has done. 

 

Beane built that offense for Josh Allen, drafted RB Devon Singletary, traded for Diggs, signed Brown, Beasley. Built that offensive line so Josh has time to throw it all over to all that talent. Honestly, I'm more worried about Beane getting stolen away by a team offering him to be president/GM. 

 

The New York Jets are a mess all over the roster and Daboll would be a fool to that that job when so many others will be better with better rosters. Like Atlanta with Matt Ryan to think of one.  JMO

I dont see Beane going anywhere; not sure why youre more worried about him being stolen than daboll leaving.  

 

You said Daboll has called great games and I think we all agree Josh is definitely better this year.  Thats gonna get Daboll a ton of attention (whether you want to credit it to him or not).

 

Going into the year I didnt want Daboll as OC for 2021.  He either does what hes doing now and gets an HC gig or no improvement and were moving on (guess there is small chance for him to stick around while still being good).  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Ken Dorsey.

 

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Allen is by far the most important component to the offense. As long as he sticks around we should be fine. I don't think McDermott will allow an OC to come in and change things significantly.

This! 

 

It wasn't the offensive play calling that bailed the Bills out of that second half debacle. It was all Allen in finding the right receiver and getting him the ball, 3rd down and 22 are you kidding me!! 3rd and 25...

 

The play calling should have involved more run plays and that supposed interception most likely wouldn't have even happened. 

 

3 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

I dont see Beane going anywhere; not sure why youre more worried about him being stolen than daboll leaving.  

 

You said Daboll has called great games and I think we all agree Josh is definitely better this year.  Thats gonna get Daboll a ton of attention (whether you want to credit it to him or not).

 

Going into the year I didnt want Daboll as OC for 2021.  He either does what hes doing now and gets an HC gig or no improvement and were moving on (guess there is small chance for him to stick around while still being good).  

Owners are going to be looking around at GMs to rebuild their fallen franchise. (Like the Jets) Look at what Beane has done in his drafts and pickups, trades. Look at his pick of Josh Allen as he managed to get the best of that draft and got the star starting MLB too. I'd be devastated to lose Beane at this point. This franchise hasn't been even close to this talented since Bill Polian! Beane is looking like a younger, better version.  

 

Daboll can be replaced far easier than Brandon Bean. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Owners are going to be looking around at GMs to rebuild their fallen franchise. (Like the Jets) Look at what Beane has done in his drafts and pickups, trades. Look at his pick of Josh Allen as he managed to get the best of that draft and got the star starting MLB too. I'd be devastated to lose Beane at this point. This franchise hasn't been even close to this talented since Bill Polian! Beane is looking like a younger, better version.  

 

Daboll can be replaced far easier than Brandon Bean. 

This makes no sense why would he want to go someplace else to rebuilding all over again when he's just getting to the point where he's going to be getting some results here? They're going to extend him only a matter of time.

[416BillsFan]

Daboll will likely depart, but the Bills will have their pick of great candidates to replace him. All of these offence weapons combined with a HC from the defensive side will have coaches' agents seeing long-term dollar signs.

Edited September 28, 2020 by 416BillsFan

[Redneck]

We should remind Daboll of Mike Pettine.  Solid DC, came to Buffalo - 1 great D season, then went to a Cleveland, fired after 2 seasons.  Wait for a great opportunity with a solid FO.

[billsfan89]

8 hours ago, Bangarang said:

You never know. Some guys have a limited window to becoming a HC and take their shot while they can.

 

There are only 32 jobs out there as a HC of an NFL team so you can only be so picky.

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

This makes no sense why would he want to go someplace else to rebuilding all over again when he's just getting to the point where he's going to be getting some results here? They're going to extend him only a matter of time.

While I do believe that Beane loves it in Buffalo and has very close ties to McD.

 

Still, you need to consider what a huge promotion to team president it would be for a GM along with all that power goes with it. A huge payday along with final say over the entire side of football operations is what these men dream about. 

 

I dunno, perhaps it's just me. I just worry about losing the best thing this franchise has had since the mid eighties to early nineties. The Bills started their long slide into oblivion right after Polian left Buffalo in 1992. He then went on to help build two different franchise's into super bowl teams. Meanwhile the Bills were a skid mark for the longest time. 

 

 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

While I do believe that Beane loves it in Buffalo and has very close ties to McD.

 

Still, you need to consider what a huge promotion to team president it would be for a GM along with all that power goes with it. A huge payday along with final say over the entire side of football operations is what these men dream about. 

 

I dunno, perhaps it's just me. I just worry about losing the best thing this franchise has had since the mid eighties to early nineties. The Bills started their long slide into oblivion right after Polian left Buffalo in 1992. He then went on to help build two different franchise's into super bowl teams. Meanwhile the Bills were a skid mark for the longest time. 

 

 

The only person above him here is the owner of the team, how would that be different somewhere else?

[Punching Bag]

13 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Why would you worry about this ?  Isn't Daboll on a poster's hotseat right now?

 

Do you think if Daboll leaves he will follow?  It might be worse loss.

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Since this board loves to talk about eating crow so much, shouldn't there be a big feast in celebration of Brian Daboll? 

I mean we love to blame the OC every time something goes wrong, but the guy isn't the one executing on the field. Seems like now the personnel is there, the skill is there, and the QB is there, and suddenly our offense is playing like a top offense should.

 

It talks about eating crow so much because too many posters take extreme stances and act like they know more than people who actually worked in industry and have attitudes like people at PFF.

[HappyDays]

I would bet money on him ending up as the Jets head coach with Trevor Lawrence as his QB. What kind of odds would I get for that?

[BillsShredder83]

15 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

We've all heard the talk about Daboll becoming a likely candidate for more head coaching interviews in the future, and that will likely continue as Josh Allen ascends.

 

I have to admit, I'm holding out a bit of hope that as the Bills continue to move into the top echelon of teams, that Daboll will pump the brakes on his own career aspirations and stay focused on bringing a championship to his hometown.

 

Or maybe, Pegula revisits his contract and sweetens it a bit in light of Allen's development?

 

Is this hope on my part completely irrational?

 

 

Hadn't thought of this. While I don't think home town discounts exist (Brady was getting a brinks truck delivered to some garage).... I didn't consider this. Thats gotta mean something, I mean damn what a legacy!  Let's hope 

Edited September 29, 2020 by BillsShredder83

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I would bet money on him ending up as the Jets head coach with Trevor Lawrence as his QB. What kind of odds would I get for that?

I don't know he's a Buffalo boy would he really want to go to Jersey? Wait never mind he was the TE coach in NE I retract my objection.

[BruceVilanch]

16 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

We've all heard the talk about Daboll becoming a likely candidate for more head coaching interviews in the future, and that will likely continue as Josh Allen ascends.

 

I have to admit, I'm holding out a bit of hope that as the Bills continue to move into the top echelon of teams, that Daboll will pump the brakes on his own career aspirations and stay focused on bringing a championship to his hometown.

 

Or maybe, Pegula revisits his contract and sweetens it a bit in light of Allen's development?

 

Is this hope on my part completely irrational?

 

 

I think he should take his shot at a HC job if he gets it, selfishly I want him to stay but a HC job in the NFL is one of the rarest jobs you can get, take it if it's offered.

[Warcodered]

 

[BornAgainBillsFan]

Dabes deserves the spotlight and the glory. I'm just afraid he's looking for the latter, and won't be at all comfortable with the former.

 

Does anybody know who's the current assistant OC in Carolina? Just thought I'd start getting to know him now. 😄

[Warcodered]

Just now, BornAgainBillsFan said:

Dabes deserves the spotlight and the glory. I'm just afraid he's looking for the latter, and won't be at all comfortable with the former.

 

Does anybody know who's the current assistant OC in Carolina? Just thought I'd start getting to know him now. 😄

I'd bet if Daboll goes Ken Dorsey gets a shot.

[Bookie Man]

Funny how things can change so fast. I remember last year many were not fans of Daboll even as recent as coming off the playoff loss where he abandoned the run in the 2nd half. Yes the offense is rolling right now and JA is ballin out, but how much of that is Daboll and how much of that is Allen? I would say it's a bit of both, maybe more of Josh and it being year 3 in the system. I feel like he's a fairly decent coordinator, I think he needs to build a stronger running game to be considered an elite OC and HC material. 

[Warcodered]

17 minutes ago, Raleigh • √eff said:

Funny how things can change so fast. I remember last year many were not fans of Daboll even as recent as coming off the playoff loss where he abandoned the run in the 2nd half. Yes the offense is rolling right now and JA is ballin out, but how much of that is Daboll and how much of that is Allen? I would say it's a bit of both, maybe more of Josh and it being year 3 in the system. I feel like he's a fairly decent coordinator, I think he needs to build a stronger running game to be considered an elite OC and HC material. 

Last year, there's a thread probably at most a few pages back that's Titled "Daboll on the hotseat after today." or something.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Warcodered

[prissythecat]

7 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Do you think if Daboll leaves he will follow?  It might be worse loss.

 

Indeed it would.  Imagine all the hot takes we would miss out on.

[Mountain Man]

On 9/28/2020 at 4:31 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Saying that Daboll will have a head coaching spot next year, especially because of what he accomplished with Josh Allen is super high on my list of things I thought were so obvious they wouldnt receive any push back.

OCs like Eric Bieniemy who has developed Patrick Mahomes haven't become HCs. 

 

At the current rate, he'll get interviews, but none of us know how he'll interview and bear in mind whilst he success in the NFL as an OC, he also failed. 

On 9/28/2020 at 5:13 PM, cle23 said:

 

Bienemy's hangup is he has never called plays, and the Andy Reid effect.

 

Roman has only been successful with running QBs.

And before Buffalo, Daboll wasnt successful as an OC in the NFL with any QB. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Mountain Man

[GunnerBill]

On ‎9‎/‎29‎/‎2020 at 3:02 AM, Nihilarian said:

While I do believe that Beane loves it in Buffalo and has very close ties to McD.

 

Still, you need to consider what a huge promotion to team president it would be for a GM along with all that power goes with it. A huge payday along with final say over the entire side of football operations is what these men dream about. 

 

I dunno, perhaps it's just me. I just worry about losing the best thing this franchise has had since the mid eighties to early nineties. The Bills started their long slide into oblivion right after Polian left Buffalo in 1992. He then went on to help build two different franchise's into super bowl teams. Meanwhile the Bills were a skid mark for the longest time. 

 

 

 

Beane isn't going anywhere IMO. How often to GMs leave one franchise (without being fired) to join another. Polian did it Carolina to Indianapolis but I honestly can't remember another occasion.

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Mountain Man said:

OCs like Eric Bieniemy who has developed Patrick Mahomes haven't become HCs. 

 

At the current rate, he'll get interviews, but none of us know how he'll interview and bear in mind whilst he success in the NFL as an OC, he also failed. 

And before Buffalo, Daboll wasnt successful as an OC in the NFL with any QB. 

 

Bienemy should be a Head Coach in my mind. I think the things that are going against him are a) the credit Andy Reid gets for the offense and b) they made it to the AFCCG followed by the Superbowl. I know the 9ers did with Kyle Shanahan (and it has worked) and I think Dan Quinn went straight from a Superbowl to Atlanta job but generally the deeper you go in the Playoffs the harder it is for you to land a HC job that hiring season because teams don't want to wait.

 

If Josh continues to play as he has Daboll is getting the credit because McDermott is known as a "defensive guy" and the best bet the Bills have of keeping him is to go right to the end of the post-season. Otherwise if I am Jacksonville or the Jets or maybe the Lions and I think I am going Quarterback early in 2021 then Daboll would be one of my choices.

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Bienemy should be a Head Coach in my mind. I think the things that are going against him are a) the credit Andy Reid gets for the offense and b) they made it to the AFCCG followed by the Superbowl. I know the 9ers did with Kyle Shanahan (and it has worked) and I think Dan Quinn went straight from a Superbowl to Atlanta job but generally the deeper you go in the Playoffs the harder it is for you to land a HC job that hiring season because teams don't want to wait.

 

If Josh continues to play as he has Daboll is getting the credit because McDermott is known as a "defensive guy" and the best bet the Bills have of keeping him is to go right to the end of the post-season. Otherwise if I am Jacksonville or the Jets or maybe the Lions and I think I am going Quarterback early in 2021 then Daboll would be one of my choices.

 

Yeah, I think we have to face facts that if Allen keeps playing lights out that Daboll is a goner.  What pathetic team wouldn't want the guy that made Allen a superstar?

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

On 9/28/2020 at 8:33 AM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

It's not. You know who everyone's first pick for their new head coach is? The guy who taught the young QB how to be a franchise guy.  If Allen didn't get any better, Daboll would already be a lock for a head coaching spot next year. 

 How so?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Fortunately this is one of those good problems to have. I'd love for him to stick around like McDaniels has in New England, but that was only because McDaniels came back after failing as a head coach in his first attempt. And now he is almost certainly just waiting for Belicheck to retire.