buffalosean Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) So far so great. The next four games are tough and we will see where Josh is at this point in 2020. Does Beane look to sign Josh to a longer contract now or do we wait? Just asking your opinion. If he keeps growing and producing do we extend him sooner rather than later? Extend him this year after a good season? Wait till the option year? If he is the future franchise QB maybe we should lock him up and give him our full trust. I know its early but maybe we can get a good contract for the team by reacting quickly and not at the end of the current deal. Just throwing it out there. Trust in Beane? Current Contract Josh Allen signed a 4 year, $21,183,038 contract with the Buffalo Bills, including a $13,485,846 signing bonus, $21,183,038 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,295,760. In 2020, Allen will earn a base salary of $750,000 and a roster bonus of $1,745,730, while carrying a cap hit of $5,867,191 and a dead cap value of $12,517,249. CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $21,183,038 SIGNING BONUS$13,485,846 AVERAGE SALARY$5,295,760 GTD AT SIGN:$21,183,038 TOTAL GTD:$21,183,038 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2018 22 $480,000 $3,371,461 - $3,851,461 $21,183,038 $13,965,846($13,965,846) 2019 23 $570,000 $3,371,461 $872,865 $4,814,326 $17,331,575 $1,494,715($15,460,561) 2020 24 $750,000 $3,371,461 $1,745,730 $5,867,191 $12,517,249 $2,495,730($17,956,291) 2021 25 $920,000 $3,371,461 $2,618,596 $6,910,057 $6,740,057 $3,538,596($21,494,887) 2022 26 - - - - - - 2023 27 UFA Edited September 23, 2020 by buffalosean Title change 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 No! Easier to win a super bowl when the QB isn’t making $30 million a season. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 He is a team first guy, don't rush it. They will use the 5th year option and then extend. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 WAIT! We have done this before with a QB that played well in the first couple games, it did not end well. We have the 5th year option so Josh isnt going anywhere. Let him play this year and then we can excercise the option and negotiate in the meanwhile. WAIT. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) If he keeps playing at this level then yes, without question. And before someone replies seeing "you keep setting unreasonable expectations!" I don't mean he has to keep up the pace numbers wise. I mean if his performance levels stay close to what they have been as a passer through 2 weeks it is a no brainer. Even if there is at some point a natural levelling out numbers wise. EDIT: they will pick up the option but the question is do they then extend before year 4. The trend - Wentz, Goff, Mahomes, Watson... is that you do. If Josh keeps playing at a high level the Bills will extend him. Edited September 23, 2020 by GunnerBill 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Always so easy to spend other peoples money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I have no idea but it seems that trend now is to sign all good QBs after year 3, so I guess Beane will try to do the same, provided that Allen plays on high level whole season and resigning him becomes no-brainer. If not, then it becomes interesting. Hopefully there will be no doubts that he is FQB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosean Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: He is a team first guy, don't rush it. They will use the 5th year option and then extend. Definitely he is. Just thought maybe we could save future Millions for the team by doing it early so he does not have any second thoughts. Agents do not care about loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 No contract extension discussions will take place until after the 2020 season at the earliest, IMO. More importantly, I fully believe Josh is the type of player who will not insist upon a “highest paid” deal and will do what is necessary to allow the Bills to continue to keep a good team around him, similar to how Mahomes took less than he could have. We are so freaking lucky to have gotten the type of player and human being Josh is. Team first all the way. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: He is a team first guy, Nobody is team first when there is $30-$40m on the line. At least I wouldn't be 😀 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, buffalosean said: So far so great. The next four games are tough and we will see where Josh is at this point in 2020. Does Beane look to sign Josh to a longer contract now or do we wait? Just asking your opinion. If he keeps growing and producing do we extend him sooner rather than later? Extend him this year after a good season? Wait till the option year? If he is the future franchise QB maybe we should lock him up and give him our full trust. I know its early but maybe we can get a good contract for the team by reacting quickly and not at the end of the current deal. Just throwing it out there. Trust in Beane? You were right there on Spotrac. There IS no cap space in 2020 or 2021!!! Search Cap Space and you will see the conversations on the topic. Josh won't be able to get BIG $$$$ until 2022 Edited September 23, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 In theory, This is the year to do it, before prices go up. That said, with Maholmes already signed, I don’t think it matters anymore, that’s the top of the market. I would wait until after the season and make a judgment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The Sign Tre thread --- Tre White's contract is on the books in Spotrac. With that recorded 2021 Estimated cap space 2.2 million 2022 Estimated cap space $94,390,310 If they can they will wait until 2022 for the Bug bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalosean Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: The Sign Tre thread --- Tre White's contract is on the books in Spotrac. With that recorded 2021 Estimated cap space 2.2 million 2022 Estimated cap space $94,390,310 If they can they will wait until 2022 for the Bug bucks Makes a ton of sense. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The timing will be right when it's right. Teams don't let Franchise Qb's leave the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I think you wait.. sure you could lock him up for pennies now but that wouldn’t be fair to Allen.. Right now I could see him getting $30M a year.. in a year or two if he continues on he’ll get $40M-$45M a year.. I think you wait a year and then you extend him.. pay him what he’s worth.. it’s the right thing to do.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 we will just follow the Mahomes path. JA wins the SB, then signs 10yr extension at 40+ mill per year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, eball said: No contract extension discussions will take place until after the 2020 season at the earliest, IMO. More importantly, I fully believe Josh is the type of player who will not insist upon a “highest paid” deal and will do what is necessary to allow the Bills to continue to keep a good team around him, similar to how Mahomes took less than he could have. We are so freaking lucky to have gotten the type of player and human being Josh is. Team first all the way. No extension discussions CAN take place until after the 2020 season. As for where Josh goes..... if he is playing at the level of the first two weeks he slots in right above Watson and behind Mahomes IMO. If he drops a bit off this pace but is still pretty darn good then right around the Watson number. It is going to get tied up with Lamar as well... who signs first and where in that range between Deshaun at Pat does that first chip fall. EDIT: In a strange way I wonder if Mahomes's deal is actually the one that finally slows the inflation on QB salaries. He is locked in for a long time.... and he is so obviously in a class pretty much of his own (he and Russ) that it makes it harder for the Allen, Jackson, Murray, Burrow type guys coming down the track to demand more than Patrick Mahomes. The % of cap spent on QBs has been rising (not as fast as some of the freak out reactions suggest, but moderately climbing) for the past decade. If the cap recovers from Covid and Mahomes's deal dampens the inflation a little bit then we might see that number gradually go the other way. Edited September 23, 2020 by GunnerBill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, DCofNC said: In theory, This is the year to do it, before prices go up. That said, with Maholmes already signed, I don’t think it matters anymore, that’s the top of the market. I would wait until after the season and make a judgment. While I understand not jumping the gun, there's also a case to be made for this argument. It seems like waiting another year will just drive up the price. Thankfully, we have a freaking wizard for a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Don't know if they have the cap space to do it, but I agree that the trend seems to be to re-sign before the fourth year. The problem with after the fourth year is then they start smelling the free agent money...and even the franchise money for QBs and corners is so good, that they seem to be willing to hold out for huge money....a la Cousins and Prescott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubledd67 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Ok before we start talking contract extension let Josh Allen finish the season and win a playoff game or 2 playoff games before we start talking contract extension. GO Buffalo Bils 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: Nobody is team first when there is $30-$40m on the line. At least I wouldn't be 😀 It’s not that simple. It’s not $40 million vs nothing. While some players and their agents definitely chase the big payday it can also ruin their comparatively short careers. If you get stuck in a rebuilding merry go round, what’s the point? Just ask Matthew Stafford. He’s gone nowhere in Detroit. I’m sure he’d trade most of his paycheck for a crack at a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s not that simple. It’s not $40 million vs nothing. While some players and their agents definitely chase the big payday it can also ruin their comparatively short careers. If you get stuck in a rebuilding merry go round, what’s the point? Just ask Matthew Stafford. He’s gone nowhere in Detroit. I’m sure he’d trade most of his paycheck for a crack at a contender. If the Lions ever gave Stafford a RB which the rest of the league finds without any issue, he might have actually won a playoff game or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, doubledd67 said: Ok before we start talking contract extension let Josh Allen finish the season and win a playoff game or 2 playoff games before we start talking contract extension. GO Buffalo Bils THIS^^^^^^ Can we just enjoy the great run we're on this season, before we start talking about gutting the franchise to pay for Josh's next contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: Nobody is team first when there is $30-$40m on the line. At least I wouldn't be 😀 Maybe I am naive, but I just don't see josh throwing a fit over 28 vs 35 million a year or something like that. I bet he takes a team-friendly deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said: He is a team first guy, don't rush it. They will use the 5th year option and then extend. Being a team first guy in the nfl is really stupid. Like really stupid. Like if his play falls off or he gets hurt, what does being a team first guy get you? It’s a business, not high school sports. I mean obviously if he continues at close to this level, he will get paid a ton. But it’s a long season and as others have said, these qb deals severely hurt your roster building. So play out the season and go from there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Being a team first guy in the nfl is really stupid. Like really stupid. Like if his play falls off or he gets hurt, what does being a team first guy get you? It’s a business, not high school sports. I mean obviously if he continues at close to this level, he will get paid a ton. But it’s a long season and as others have said, these qb deals severely hurt your roster building. So play out the season and go from there. I think after the deal that Ramsey signed a day after Tre, that Tre took a team-first deal. Is he stupid? Or is he still set for life and gave his team some flexibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said: He is a team first guy, don't rush it. They will use the 5th year option and then extend. doesn't mean he doesn't want a big contract 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: Maybe I am naive, but I just don't see josh throwing a fit over 28 vs 35 million a year or something like that. I bet he takes a team-friendly deal. Why would you settle for less than you can get? I do think you are being very naive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Why would you settle for less than you can get? I do think you are being very naive. Tom Brady always was "underpaid" in New England to not crush the salary cap. https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargain-2018-7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Following the trend around the NFL, most QBs seem to be signing their extensions prior to their 4th season. Which means sometime next spring, assuming Allen continues playing like our franchise guy. The most notable exception is Dak Prescott, who is currently playing on the tag and causing all kinds of headaches for the Cowboys front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, eball said: No contract extension discussions will take place until after the 2020 season at the earliest, IMO. More importantly, I fully believe Josh is the type of player who will not insist upon a “highest paid” deal and will do what is necessary to allow the Bills to continue to keep a good team around him, similar to how Mahomes took less than he could have. We are so freaking lucky to have gotten the type of player and human being Josh is. Team first all the way. Question is: Does his agent think the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: The Sign Tre thread --- Tre White's contract is on the books in Spotrac. With that recorded 2021 Estimated cap space 2.2 million 2022 Estimated cap space $94,390,310 If they can they will wait until 2022 for the Bug bucks Keep in mind that in 2022, having $94 mill available means we are 19th ranked in the league in available cap. Expect salary inflation. The frickin' Colts have $224 mill estimated available cap space. And though they're #1, there are two other teams above $200 mill. If there's any way to get it done early (using guaranteed roster bonuses in 2022, for example, instead of a signing bonus) they should try. There may not be any way. Josh would have to be very accommodating in method of payment, even if not in actual $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, buffalosean said: So far so great. The next four games are tough and we will see where Josh is at this point in 2020. Does Beane look to sign Josh to a longer contract now or do we wait? Just asking your opinion. If he keeps growing and producing do we extend him sooner rather than later? Extend him this year after a good season? Wait till the option year? If he is the future franchise QB maybe we should lock him up and give him our full trust. I know its early but maybe we can get a good contract for the team by reacting quickly and not at the end of the current deal. Just throwing it out there. Trust in Beane? NFL prohibits extensions prior to the end of a players 3rd season. So they can't do it now. If he continues to have a great year my belief is that they'll extend him after this season, similar to Deshaun Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: Tom Brady always was "underpaid" in New England to not crush the salary cap. https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargain-2018-7 Please His TB12 "health center" where most of the players went made up for the "lost" cash 33 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Keep in mind that in 2022, having $94 mill available means we are 19th ranked in the league in available cap. Expect salary inflation. The frickin' Colts have $224 mill estimated available cap space. And though they're #1, there are two other teams above $200 mill. If there's any way to get it done early (using guaranteed roster bonuses in 2022, for example, instead of a signing bonus) they should try. There may not be any way. Josh would have to be very accommodating in method of payment, even if not in actual $$$. And how many players do they need to sign? 20, 30, more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said: I think after the deal that Ramsey signed a day after Tre, that Tre took a team-first deal. Is he stupid? Or is he still set for life and gave his team some flexibility. I would bet Tre has some regrets about that contract. Both Tre and Josh seem like great dudes. But why would accept significantly less money than you are able to get? the nfl is a dirty business with non guaranteed. The second both slip, fans will turn on them. Look at Saquon. Blows out his knee before his first big payday. Given his position, he might be severely challenged in getting a big deal now. Football players should get every penny they can, especially when they have leverage. There is no loyalty from teams, so why should players have it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krf139 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Let’s wait to see where things stand after the next 4 games before we make conclusions about Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said: Tom Brady always was "underpaid" in New England to not crush the salary cap. https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargain-2018-7 His wife is a billionaire. I also won’t doubt there isn’t some shady deals under the table. and don’t get me wrong. I hope you are right. But if I was Allen’s agent or family, I think he would be a fool to settle for less money if he proves to be a franchise type qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Victory Formation said: I think you wait.. sure you could lock him up for pennies now but that wouldn’t be fair to Allen.. Right now I could see him getting $30M a year.. in a year or two if he continues on he’ll get $40M-$45M a year.. I think you wait a year and then you extend him.. pay him what he’s worth.. it’s the right thing to do.. Thing is....josh has a choice in the matter. He may not want to sign now, for 30 millions. It’s his choice. 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: If the Lions ever gave Stafford a RB which the rest of the league finds without any issue, he might have actually won a playoff game or two You think they haven’t won because they haven’t given Stanford a good enough rb? 😭🤣😭 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Being a team first guy in the nfl is really stupid. Like really stupid. Like if his play falls off or he gets hurt, what does being a team first guy get you? It’s a business, not high school sports. I mean obviously if he continues at close to this level, he will get paid a ton. But it’s a long season and as others have said, these qb deals severely hurt your roster building. So play out the season and go from there. Look at how being a team first guy ruined Brady’s career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff76ers Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 IMO its simple, if we win the Super Bowl then we extend him to a large contract and if not then we wait till after next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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