Barnwell - Bills biggest achilles heel

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

 

It's a full buy-in.  Good TE's, speed outside, and multiple running backs.  Lamar helps with the big splashes and chunks, but they'll run it all day if you can't stop them.  Their backs had almost 400 carries and almost 2000 yards.  Thats a 5 YPC average and tacked on 14 TDs.  Just a bunch of solid o-linemen doing work.  Losing Yanda hurts for sure, but they still have good players.  I think LJ has some of that juice in the backfield to buy time to make stuff happen, but he also had really good deep ball touch a year ago.  Especially on PA.  

 

Solid defense all-around too.  I do wonder if the pass rush, and loss of a gamer like thomas on the back end will hurt them a bit there though.  Their total yardage numbers do have the benefit of the fewest plays executed against them because of the ToP advantage.   They also blitzed the most in the NFL, and were somewhere near the bottom of sacks/hurries.  

 

They have upgraded their pass rush. The Dline was a weakness last year for sure but they added Calais Campbell and Derek Wolfe in free agency. They also upgraded at linebacker in the draft.

 

I think Lamar can take a clear step back and the Ravens still win 11 or 12 games. They are stacked. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Outside of Buffalo, Allen will always be considered a liability. Personally I prefer being underestimated.

[first_and_ten]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Rose Byrne is "an average girl?"

 

Definitely not

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

 

after his second year:

 

15-11-0

 

Well,  that kind of proves a point now doesn't it.   BS by Barnewll. 

 

Is Mitch a total bust? 

What led the Bears to get that 11-3 record? 

 

Tribisky  

4-8

11-3

8-7

 

 

[TigerJ]

10 hours ago, Bangarang said:

It was actually a pretty fair assessment. 

Agreed.  He portrays Josh Allen as a question mark, which he is, and holds open the possibility that he'll continue to improve.  While I am an optimist when it comes to Josh Allen, I still have to admit he's not a sure thing even now.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Get your pitch forks out BillsMafia!

 

If you uneducated people on here don’t know who Achilles is....he had big muscles with long, blonde and flowing hair.  No dude could take him in a fight.  Yet he was only hooking up with an average girl in the movie Troy.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29772260/20-contenders-2020-nfl-season-20-big-weaknesses-ranking-achilles-heels#buf

 

Pretty accurate assessment IMO Plus of all the teams in the league he only ranked 6 others with a lesser weakness.  Considering the value a QB plays, to be only ranked 6th biggest question mark would imply he's not overly concerned.

 

So what would you consider to be their biggest weakness since you appear to not agree with the article. He gave the weakness of 20 contenders, needs to include something on the Bills, so what is it then if not QB?

[bigK14094]

7 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Bill is generally right.  If the Bills didn’t have an elite defense this team would have probably been 7-9 last year, at best.   Can the defense maintain that pace yet again?

 

Josh has to get better. 

The O has to get better, Josh is part of the equation.  So is Daboll....need to eliminate brain cramp calls in critical situations.  And, better receivers will help....but TE is still a problem as Knox is still dropping the ball say the reports out of camp.

[Don Otreply]

A teams QB is the lynchpin of a teams success? that is some ground breaking new information right there... who would’ve guessed it could be so... yawn ? 

 

These guys are running out of ways to say the same stuff over and over. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[26TrapDraw]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I heard Brad Pitt could play me in a movie.

No that role is Reserved for Brad's younger brother. Stew .

[416BillsFan]

11 hours ago, Bangarang said:

It was actually a pretty fair assessment. 

Pretty much agree. That said, he should have went with his first instinct and went with CB2 IMO.

[Seasons1992]

11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I heard Brad Pitt could play me in a movie.

 

You're not THAT bad looking. You could play yourself, alongside one of the great actors of our time........

 

[White Linen]

"The Bills were at their best last season when Allen was mostly staying out of the way".  This is patently false.  

 

Josh is already better than Lamar Jackson and had to overcome an overall lack of talent offensively, a stupid play caller and a head coach that is scared to let offense win games.  

 

Obviously adding Diggs is a massive improvement to a lack luster receiving core (including TE's and RB's) or at least a Daboll designed offense that doesn't include throwing to RB's.  

 

Daboll and McDermott need to get better.  Allen will get there if they do.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Get your pitch forks out BillsMafia!

 

If you uneducated people on here don’t know who Achilles is....he had big muscles with long, blonde and flowing hair.  No dude could take him in a fight.  Yet he was only hooking up with an average girl in the movie Troy.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29772260/20-contenders-2020-nfl-season-20-big-weaknesses-ranking-achilles-heels#buf

 

I mean, I don't think his comment that "The Bills were at their best last season when Allen was mostly staying out of the way and focusing on protecting the football at the expense of taking shots downfield." is at all correct.  I don't think he watches a lot of Bills football.  Without Allen's timely passing at times, the Bills would have been out of a lot of games they won or were "in" to the very end.  And 9 rushing TDs and 500 rush yards isn't exactly "staying out of the way".

 

But can anyone really argue the point that "he's still not yet the sort of passer the Bills need to compete with the Ravens and Chiefs"

Or his summary "Allen has still started only 27 career games, so while this is a critical year, it's hardly out of the question that he'll continue to improve. If he takes a step forward as a passer and continues to be one of the league's most effective rushing quarterbacks, the Bills should be able to win the AFC East and host a playoff game for the first time since 1996. If he drags an excellent defense down, he could become the next Mitchell Trubisky."?

[Mister Defense]

Just another ignorant opinion.  For example, he says, "The Bills were at their best last season when Allen was mostly staying out of the way and focusing on protecting the football at the expense of taking shots downfield."

 

Allen led the NFL in both game winning drives and fourth quarter comebacks, as a 2nd year quarterback, and in his first full year as a starter.

 

I am open to listening to criticism of Allen, but this, like so much of it is simply based on ignorance.  (Honestly, I really think some sports writers don't like his down to earth, humble approach to things.)

 

"Staying out of the way" and the facts, are not congruent at all.  Allen was the clear leader of this team, and his late game performance indicates he was not merely a game manager, or worse, an obstacle on an otherwise great team, but an integral part of their playoff season last year. 

[John from Riverside]

Did you know Brad Pitt said he was from Hemet California

[JESSEFEFFER]

Looking at the standard NFL passer rating measure, Josh was a strong performer in RZ, 4th quarter, 3rd and 10+ and road games.  The numbers are 94.2, 109.7, 108.2 and 92.6, respectively.

 

This totally ignores what he adds as a runner, which we know is elite.  I think it's odd to say that he wasn't helping them win.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

You're not THAT bad looking. You could play yourself, alongside one of the great actors of our time........

 

 

@Royale with Cheese agrees with her 

 

LOL 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

You're not THAT bad looking. You could play yourself, alongside one of the great actors of our time........

 

 

What an unattractive person.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I mean, I don't think his comment that "The Bills were at their best last season when Allen was mostly staying out of the way and focusing on protecting the football at the expense of taking shots downfield." is at all correct.  I don't think he watches a lot of Bills football.  Without Allen's timely passing at times, the Bills would have been out of a lot of games they won or were "in" to the very end.  And 9 rushing TDs and 500 rush yards isn't exactly "staying out of the way".

 

But can anyone really argue the point that "he's still not yet the sort of passer the Bills need to compete with the Ravens and Chiefs"

Or his summary "Allen has still started only 27 career games, so while this is a critical year, it's hardly out of the question that he'll continue to improve. If he takes a step forward as a passer and continues to be one of the league's most effective rushing quarterbacks, the Bills should be able to win the AFC East and host a playoff game for the first time since 1996. If he drags an excellent defense down, he could become the next Mitchell Trubisky."?

Well yes, as we played the Ravens last year and the game came down to the last play. I'd call that competitive. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Okay so I will admit that I didn't know that was Rose Byrne.  I guess I don't like her with curly hair.

She isn't hotter than Helen though.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Royale with Cheese

[GoBills808]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I'd say he's not(or wasn't) nearly a good enough passer to BEAT the Ravens or Chiefs.... he was atrocious for much of that Ravens game. 

Not the point. The article is about the team's weakest link in the context of the entire squad. If we had beaten the Ravens Barnwell would be wondering whether Jackson was a good enough passer to beat the Bills. 

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, White Linen said:

Josh is already better than Lamar Jackson

 

? Only Bills fans believe this nonsense. 

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Okay so I will admit that I didn't know that was Rose Byrne.  I guess I don't like her with curly hair.

She isn't hotter than Helen though.

 

Your original assessment was correct.

[Captain Hindsight]

14 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, first two years of their respective career arcs are pretty damn similar, except Trubisky was better.

Maybe stats wise, but watching those two side by side, one guy will do whatever it takes to win and one guy will do this 

 

https://sportsmockery.com/2019/11/mitch-trubisky-passed-up-a-clear-1st-down-to-avoid-a-hit/

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Huh? 

 

Why would he be wondering that when the Ravens had the best record in AFC beating some of the other best teams in the league along the way? 

If we beat the Ravens last season, we likely play starters vs Jets and end up 12-4. Ravens would be 13-3. 

 

Granted that is just what if, but realistically the Bills won as many playoff games last season as did the Ravens. So I think it would be a fair question.

[teef]

posting records to draw comparisons is always a tricky game.  there were a couple posters on here last year doing that to compare mcd and gase.  not a good look.

[White Linen]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

? Only Bills fans believe this nonsense. 

 

 

 

Only Bills fans understand this.  

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Anyone without a biased brain could watch that Bills Ravens game and see the Ravens were clearly the better team.... Bills offense was absolutely dominated for much of the game and Allen was pretty bad in the process.

 

If the Bills pulled off that victory in which they got bailed out several times on that final drive with ridiculously questionable calls to put them in position to tie the game I honestly don't think anyone would've been wondering if Lamar Jackson was good enough to beat the Bills.

 

Its a different year so hopefully Allen and the team in general demonstrate they are good enough to beat any team in the league. 

 

 

Let's examine that 'bias'. Ravens had 18 first downs, Bills had 16. Each team had one turnover. Ravens won the yardage battle by 48 yards and the TOP by two minutes and 49 seconds. You think the difference in the game was 'ridiculously questionable calls' in the Bills' favor without mentioning the awful drops by our pass catchers and the fact that the 25% of the Ravens yards (not to mention the difference in the final score) came from a single very uncharacteristic busted coverage.

 

You seem very resistant to the idea that the Bills are a good football team for some reason.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

What an unattractive person.

she’s cute and you know it 

 

1 hour ago, teef said:

posting records to draw comparisons is always a tricky game.  there were a couple posters on here last year doing that to compare mcd and gase.  not a good look.

that is true. 
 

but you can’t count it out. 
 

it is a reason people say LJ is a great QB. 

when the season is over I’ll change my stance on his acumen if he plays like a star QB. 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[The Frankish Reich]

https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/Mitch-Trubisky-draft-criticism-Bears-131732701/

 

You could take this Bears fansite article and do a global replace, plugging in "Josh Allen" for "Mitch Trubisky" and the article would just as true.

Trubisky will always be the Sam Bowie to Michael Jordan (Mahomes) and Charles Barkley (Watson). That's just what happens when your team trades up to pick you ahead of those guys. Allen is lucky; although the Bills clearly could've had Mahomes or Watson the year before, Allen so far has only Lamar eclipsing him, and because Lamar went 32nd in the draft (and because he is so unorthodox) the bar is lower.

Before everyone gets all worked up about it: I like Allen better than Trubisky! I think he'll continue to get better; I think Trubisky will be lucky to match his sophomore season. But let's be honest: the jury is still out on Josh. With a weak AFC East this year, he's gotta prove that he's the franchise guy this season. He hasn't done that yet.

[LB48]

Per ESPN:  "Allen has still started only 27 career games, so while this is a critical year, it’s hardly out of the question that he’ll continue to improve. If he takes a step forward as a passer and continues to be one of the league’s most effective rushing quarterbacks, the Bills should be able to win the AFC East and host a playoff game for the first time since 1996. If he drags an excellent defense down, he could become the next Mitchell Trubisky."

 

I don't care about Trubisky at all but I do have a feeling that the Bills 2020 season depends on Allen's STABILITY at QB. 

 

In my eyes he's still a Rob Johnson or J.P. Losman hybrid.  Great, strong arm with the ability to run.  BUT,  so herky jerky in the pocket and unpredictable in his decisions when under pressure.

 

I hope I'm wrong but I need proof!!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He is. He's not JP or RJ like you say, he's a gamer with leadership qualities. We need to see him take control of the offense this year. I think he can.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Freddie's Dead]

[Rochesterfan]

Why is this troll allowed to continually start new threads.  He has 3 waste of time threads on the first page alone.

 

We need limits on some posters.

[The Dean]

5 minutes ago, LB48 said:

Per ESPN:  "Allen has still started only 27 career games, so while this is a critical year, it’s hardly out of the question that he’ll continue to improve. If he takes a step forward as a passer and continues to be one of the league’s most effective rushing quarterbacks, the Bills should be able to win the AFC East and host a playoff game for the first time since 1996. If he drags an excellent defense down, he could become the next Mitchell Trubisky."

 

I don't care about Trubisky at all but I do have a feeling that the Bills 2020 season depends on Allen's STABILITY at QB. 

 

In my eyes he's still a Rob Johnson or J.P. Losman hybrid.  Great, strong arm with the ability to run.  BUT,  so herky jerky in the pocket and unpredictable in his decisions when under pressure.

 

I hope I'm wrong but I need proof!!

 

 

I don't really mean to single you out,  but it has to be said. You say "ESPN says..."  But WHO on ESPN? They have seemingly dozens of different announcers, analysts, etc giving opinions. ESPN almost never speaks with ONE voice and makes proclamations. Their employees do make statements however, and they have varying opinions. 

 

So can you give us a name? Supply a link? At least tell us where you heard/read/saw it?

 

With that said, it's hard to argue with the "if he improves...if he doesn't" outcomes. I think he'll be just fine.

 

ALERT: Two Bills Drive says Josh Allen will be just fine in 2020.

[34-78-83]

I don’t think someone remembers RJ or JP very well. They may have fooled us briefly at first but both were literally unable to process coverages or feel the pass rush. Josh is already miles better than those examples

[LB48]

3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Why is this troll allowed to continually start new threads.  He has 3 waste of time threads on the first page alone.

 

We need limits on some posters.

Limits??  As in posting things you don't agree with??  Free Speech!

[Don Otreply]

LB48, this is worse than my trivia question threads, and that’s sayin something... 🤣

 

Go Bills!!!

[Doc Brown]

Josh Allen responded with saying I'm not listening to someone who thought putting Booger McFarland on MNF was a good idea. 

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Why is this troll allowed to continually start new threads.  He has 3 waste of time threads on the first page alone.

 

We need limits on some posters.

I always wanted to see a mod approval kinda probation thing until you’re a proven thread starter. Maybe 10 good threads and no more approvals needed. Most of our guys post news, some post fun topics to debate. Others are trolling and want attention or drama. 
Could eliminate most of the worthless threads this way while giving the quality guys free will to continue posting. 

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, LB48 said:

Limits??  As in posting things you don't agree with??  Free Speech!

There is no free speech here, Mr I got rights guy,  😂