boco357 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Too Soon? https://www.drafttek.com/2021-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-Punters-2021-NFL-Draft.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 This kind of thinking is how the Mormons ended up with 7 wives. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 There is a small case to be made for keeping two kickers (its been done before), especially if they think Bass is their guy for the future. There is NO case for keeping two punters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, gordong said: So what position group are you going to go short on to keep 4 kickers??? The answer is resounding NO Refer to pantry illustration above. You have plenty of tomato soup in the cupboard...replace a few cans with good stuff!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Well, then, maybe it's time to rightfully promote Foster to the #1 WR position! *? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, Georgie said: OMG. One of the most ridiculous posts EVER. You'll get called on it and come back,claiming it was a joke. Too many other positions need depth, so Bills will keep 1 kicker and 1 punter, period. George (can I call you George?) - I’ll say it again: Points (FG’s) and field position (deep accurate punts) win football games. Why wouldn’t you maximize the likelihood of both by retaining more of those position players at the expense of two or three cans of tomato soup (7th CB or 8th Olineman). #freeyourmind #fergysproof #fergytheory #calculus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Doc said: Edwards will be I'd bet. But hopefully they bring in more competition. I would expect he’s got the best shot just being signed, but ya never know who may be released in the upcoming weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I would consider 2 Kickers on the opening day roster to start if Bass shows enough. In terms of Punter keep whoever wins the job. Bojorquez wasn't great last year to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Are the extra two kickers going to be the Gunners on punts and kickoffs? In your theory keeping more kickers actually makes the special teams worse not better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Don't underestimate the likelihood of a kickoff specialist either. If you can kick the ball out of the end zone every time you can put Josh Allen on kickoff coverage. This one move frees up so many wasted roster spots for special teams kick coverage. Fewer kickoffs to cover also has an added benefit of fewer player interactions/collisions which is more important than ever in a COVID season. If we add the 40-49 yard kicker as mentioned repeatedly by @klos63 we could feasibly carry 4 kickers this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Are the extra two kickers going to be the Gunners on punts and kickoffs? In your theory keeping more kickers actually makes the special teams worse not better. Well the extra kickers already play special teams so so they don't need to learn to be taught the intricacies of coverage, hence better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Well the extra kickers already play special teams so so they don't need to learn to be taught the intricacies of coverage, hence better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Don't underestimate the likelihood of a kickoff specialist either. If you can kick the ball out of the end zone every time you can put Josh Allen on kickoff coverage. This one move frees up so many wasted roster spots for special teams kick coverage. Fewer kickoffs to cover also has an added benefit of fewer player interactions/collisions which is more important than ever in a COVID season. If we add the 40-49 yard kicker as mentioned repeatedly by @klos63 we could feasibly carry 4 kickers this season. Hence the reason for keeping Hauschka and Bass. Have Bass do the regular kickoff duties, but every once in a while (at the last second) sub in Hausch to throw the other team a curve ball. He drops a high hanger on the 15 yard line and Pat DiMarco vaporizes the returner. This will lead to many more fumble recoveries on special teams. Genius. 4 hours ago, gordong said: So what position group are you going to go short on to keep 4 kickers??? The answer is resounding NO Go short on LB’ers. We only really need 2. We play nickel most of the time anyway. Just keep one extra safety. Bingo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Georgie said: OMG. One of the most ridiculous posts EVER. You'll get called on it and come back,claiming it was a joke. Too many other positions need depth, so Bills will keep 1 kicker and 1 punter, period. You have no history on site. One "QB expert" wanted to trade our starting DE for backup QB John Skeleton, created a poll and majority of those who responded agreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: You have no history on site. One "QB expert" wanted to trade our starting DE for backup QB John Skeleton, created a poll and majority of those who responded agreed. Except that particular poster (schmuffalo schmarbarian) was being serious ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I think we need 4 punter and 4 FG kickers...one for each Quarter...... I think these boys need relief they see the field so much Fergy quit pulling our leg....or finger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 10 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I can see us keeping 2 kickers but no way 2 punters and there is absolutely no way that they roster 4 kickers and punters total. I was thinking this. Even putting Bass on the practice squad would be a risk, but so would being stuck with him for the rest of the season if he ends up poopin' the bed. No two punters, thats crazy. 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: You have no history on site. One "QB expert" wanted to trade our starting DE for backup QB John Skeleton, created a poll and majority of those who responded agreed. Who was the DE? Was it a contract dump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 10 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: We all can agree, NFL games are won and lost by field position and points. A bad punt can leave your defense with a short field. A missed 55 yd field goal - no points. This team is ready to win, and winning requires good field position and points. Keep Bass as our long field goal kicker...anything over 50 yards, he comes on the field. Keep Hauschka for the 20-40 yd field goals...he's money. Keep Bojorquez for shorter punts when you need the ball placed inside the 15 yd line or when there's a southeasterly wind at the stadium (to crate a cross wind with his left foot). Keep Edwards for longer punts and drop kicks. He's Australian and they utilize the drop kick a lot in that league. Would be a nice wrinkle for the Bills and can score points. Thoughts? two kickers with different strengths can work in some games - especially say you expect a low scoring battle against new england. two kickers and two punters though — ?? maybe if one of the punters can cover on special teams when the other is punting. but kudos for a real creative thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 11 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: We all can agree, NFL games are won and lost by field position and points. A bad punt can leave your defense with a short field. A missed 55 yd field goal - no points. This team is ready to win, and winning requires good field position and points. Keep Bass as our long field goal kicker...anything over 50 yards, he comes on the field. Keep Hauschka for the 20-40 yd field goals...he's money. Keep Bojorquez for shorter punts when you need the ball placed inside the 15 yd line or when there's a southeasterly wind at the stadium (to crate a cross wind with his left foot). Keep Edwards for longer punts and drop kicks. He's Australian and they utilize the drop kick a lot in that league. Would be a nice wrinkle for the Bills and can score points. Thoughts? 4 kickers on the 53 ? what a joke. sure , keep an extra 2 kickers in case a starter goes down, , but not on the 53. the rules say you can bring a guy up practically on game day if the starter tests positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Who was the DE? Was it a contract dump? You serious, Clark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: 4 kickers on the 53 ? what a joke. sure , keep an extra 2 kickers in case a starter goes down, , but not on the 53. the rules say you can bring a guy up practically on game day if the starter tests positive. Guess you never heard of the “drop kick”. Our goal is to score more points. Edwards can do that. Bojo secures field position. Win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 13 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I can see us keeping 2 kickers but no way 2 punters and there is absolutely no way that they roster 4 kickers and punters total. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: You serious, Clark? Yeah, I don't remember the poll... Also, im surprised there isn't more k dumping, tbh. Like with that one QB guy who was traded with picks for later round picks to the Browns some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 16 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: If all 53 could dress out.... it may be something to look into.... but I think only 46 or 47 dress out. That being said, skill positions take priority 100%. Didn't the league raise it to 48? Maybe if the game roster includes 8 OLINEMEN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 11 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: George (can I call you George?) - I’ll say it again: Points (FG’s) and field position (deep accurate punts) win football games. Why wouldn’t you maximize the likelihood of both by retaining more of those position players at the expense of two or three cans of tomato soup (7th CB or 8th Olineman). #freeyourmind #fergysproof #fergytheory #calculus LOL! Please don't "call me", period. Are you new to football? Or just one of those self-proclaimed stats geeks who thinks he has come up with a prize-winning theory? Kickers and punters are fsiy easy to find and add to a roster if necessary. Carrying 2 of each on the 53 is insane and depletes depth at other positions. Go crunch numbers on THAT 13 hours ago, Jauronimo said: He was foolishly let go and immediately signed by Super Bowl runnerup San Francisco. The 49ers know what it takes to win in this league and it takes a franchise long snapper. No,he actually y played two years for Tampa Bay then THEY cut him. He only lasted a month in SF. He's available, and you know,you gotta have special teams depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 16 hours ago, nucci said: 2 Ks and 2 Punters? Brilliant....do we a snapper for each as well? You bet Nuciforo, amd lets start a daily training camp thread for every player so we can have 81 threads to read per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 HQ troll post, tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 16 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: #freeyourmind #fergysproof #fergytheory #calculus You forgot #4d chess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Georgie said: LOL! Please don't "call me", period. Are you new to football? Or just one of those self-proclaimed stats geeks who thinks he has come up with a prize-winning theory? Kickers and punters are fsiy easy to find and add to a roster if necessary. Are you "fsiy" new to football? Kickers are so easy to find that some teams replaced kickers multiple times last year. It is easy to find kickers. It is hard to find good, consistent kickers. Not that I agree with keeping Bojangles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 If we can squeeze it in - i like keeping bass and Hauschka . Love Bass as the future - but its risky right now. If we cut hauschka - and Bass shows rookie problems - we're in trouble. I'd rather keep the insurance policy on the roster now. Its possible the NFL will grant roster expemptions. Gotta expect some COVID issues will come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 16 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: 4 kickers on the 53 ? what a joke. sure , keep an extra 2 kickers in case a starter goes down, , but not on the 53. the rules say you can bring a guy up practically on game day if the starter tests positive. The "Process," thus far has led to zero playoff wins. I no longer trust it and I think going at it from a different angle makes sense. The current run, run, pass, punt "process," has been wildly unsuccessful. Time to think outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Gugny said: The "Process," thus far has led to zero playoff wins. I no longer trust it and I think going at it from a different angle makes sense. The current run, run, pass, punt "process," has been wildly unsuccessful. Time to think outside the box. Would a better kicker or punter have prevented the refs from negating that TD in the Houston game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Would a better kicker or punter have prevented the refs from negating that TD in the Houston game? Letting the kicker attempt a FG instead of stupidly calling plays that got us out of FG range would have been a cute twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 9:37 AM, BringBackFergy said: Guess you don't want to win. Sounds like you don't want to win keeping all those ST players for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: Letting the kicker attempt a FG instead of stupidly calling plays that got us out of FG range would have been a cute twist. A 57-yard FG? Was never going to happen. Edited August 22, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Just now, Doc said: A 57-yard FG? Was never going to happen. They could have gotten closer. AND, you just made my point. This s why it makes sense to keep a long-range FG specialist in addition to Haushka.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Gugny said: They could have gotten closer. AND, you just made my point. This s why it makes sense to keep a long-range FG specialist in addition to Haushka.. A play was called, Josh got 4 yards and a bogus penalty was called on it, pushing them out of FG range. If the penalty hadn't been called, it would have still been a 53 yard FG. Are betting your season on a guy making a 53 yard FG? In hindsight, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 4 kickers on 1 roster? Bartender! I'll have what my friend BBFergy is having! Seriously Fergy. That's never gonna happen man. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 We can re-imagine the onsides kick under the new rules. Hear me out, two kickers running in a circle together, and you just don't know when or where they're gonna kick it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 On August 21, 2020 at 10:19 PM, BringBackFergy said: Our goal is to score more points. Edwards can do that. Any reports on whether this guy is a Glove Wearing Mary? 11 hours ago, Steve Billieve said: We can re-imagine the onsides kick under the new rules. Hear me out, two kickers running in a circle together, and you just don't know when or where they're gonna kick it! We could have all 4 back there doing a square dance and when no one is looking, the Steelers guy can kick the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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