Paul Costa Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 My wife & I have more money in our bank account than the Patriots have as cap space. And I’m a public school teacher . ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 hours ago, oldmanfan said: People get on Croom a lot but to me it looks like he has potential Just wondering what you have seen that gives you that belief? I neither agree nor disagree, I just haven't seen anything. IR all last season didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 hours ago, oldmanfan said: People get on Croom a lot but to me it looks like he has potential Is that Kelly Pegula masquerading as oldmanfan?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just wondering what you have seen that gives you that belief? I neither agree nor disagree, I just haven't seen anything. IR all last season didn't help. He's great at playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just wondering what you have seen that gives you that belief? I neither agree nor disagree, I just haven't seen anything. IR all last season didn't help. that you haven’t seen anything says everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I actually like Croom. He’s a big, physical, fluid target with speed. He has to find a way to get, and stay, on the field though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) Looks like he consulted with Duke Johnson on how to get out of town Cleveland. Fire your agent and hire drew Rosenhaus. Edited July 4, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 The compensation that Cleveland is asking for is the question if it’s a 1st rounder forget it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: The compensation that Cleveland is asking for is the question if it’s a 1st rounder forget it They aren’t getting a 1st!! Deandre Hopkins just got traded for a 2nd and a bad contract. Njoku is probably going to fetch a 5th that becomes a 4th or something like that. Edited July 4, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 What is his market value, contract wise? Hunter Henry territory or nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Putin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: They aren’t getting a 1st!! Deandre Hopkins just got traded for a 2nd and a bad contract. Njoku is probably going to fetch a 5th that becomes a 4th or something like that. The pats****** will give up a 2nd for him and everyone will be saying another BRILLIANT move by BB , and this place will explode why is McBean still sleeping 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I'd definitely do a 4th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) He wants to be targeted more then Browns can give him. https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/1872/david-njoku https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/is-this-the-final-week-of-david-njokus-career-as-a-cleveland-brown Edited July 4, 2020 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 He may have potential, but he has done nothing to justify making a big splash to get him. Maybe, trade for Kroft (would they like Lee Smith? ?)? Or, Kroft and a late draft pick where we have an extra one? Or a 5th rounder? Also, in making this trade, the Bills have to consider how much time he would take away from Knox's development. If you're not sold on Knox, then consider it. If you are all in on him, then no need to trade for anyone unless his name is Kelce or Kittle or Ertz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, CSBill said: He may have potential, but he has done nothing to justify making a big splash to get him. Maybe, trade for Kroft (would they like Lee Smith? ?)? Or, Kroft and a late draft pick where we have an extra one? Or a 5th rounder? Also, in making this trade, the Bills have to consider how much time he would take away from Knox's development. If you're not sold on Knox, then consider it. If you are all in on him, then no need to trade for anyone unless his name is Kelce or Kittle or Ertz. I think if Njoku can stay healthy he can be as good as those guys you mention. I am all in on Knox and I would still trade for Njoku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 16 hours ago, SirAndrew said: That would be ideal, but if they wanted Knox, I’d be willing to deal him. I just want some consistency at the TE position. Knox is a tough player for me to believe in. Learning to have good hands is something that doesn’t come easy. Knox was a liability in blocking at times as well. He has a lot to learn, and I hope he grows into a consistent player, but he wouldn’t be untouchable for me to trade. There was a rookie WR for the Niners that seemed to drop half the balls thrown to him. His name was Jerry Rice. I bet they were happy they didn’t give up on him after one season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ColeB said: There was a rookie WR for the Niners that seemed to drop half the balls thrown to him. His name was Jerry Rice. I bet they were happy they didn’t give up on him after one season. “Cole B” your avatar looks like a mugshot of Cole Beasley. Edited July 4, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Rc2catch said: They lost Hunt? He get suspended again or something? No. Hunt is on his fourth year tender contract. He’ll be a FA after this season. 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: They aren’t getting a 1st!! Deandre Hopkins just got traded for a 2nd and a bad contract. Njoku is probably going to fetch a 5th that becomes a 4th or something like that. That’s just Berry’s way of saying “no” to trading him. Unless some team wants to get stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 The Bills have a poor TE corps and it’s easily the worst unit of the team IMO. But I still wouldn’t trade anything of value for Njoku. He is supremely talented athletically, but he is an unwilling blocker and he drops far too many passes. His attitude has also been an issue in Cleveland. That said, the Browns still need him for at least this season due to Stefanski’s use of 2 TEs so much of the time. Another issue with Njoku and the Bills is that he’s a flex TE. Using him and an in-line TE would take Beasley off the field unless we wanted to go empty backfield. He doesn’t make much sense here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 57 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: “Cole B” your avatar looks like a mugshot of Cole Beasley. Cole B's photo on the Bills page looks like a mugshot? I think he was trying to look mean and tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 19 hours ago, SirAndrew said: I’d be completely willing to give them Knox for Njoku in a heartbeat. Knox has potential, but he’s a huge boom or bust type player. I’m not big on guys who are inconsistent, unreliable players, who stick on rosters because they have the potential to make big time plays. I’d rather have eleven guys who do their job 99.9% of the time Fortunately you aren't making decisions for the Bills. Nothing against Njoku, but in his 3 seasons, he's got a catch % below 60%. He was only targeted 10x in the 4 games he played last year, so let's overlook the 50% catch % and the 20% drop rate from 2019. The previous year (his 2nd year) he did OK - increasing his catch % from 53.3% to 63.6%, and catching 639 yds on 88 targets with 6 drops - an improvement from 386 yds on 60 targets Njoku's rookie season Why does that seem like a sure bet to you to give up Dawson Knox going into his 2nd year? Knox had a 56% catch rate and contributed 388 yds on 50 targets even with his 10 drops. Let me repeat that: Knox's rookie season produced more yards on fewer targets than Njoku's rookie season and a higher catch % than Njoku's rookie season, even with all the bad drops. So why exactly would your heart beat to swap them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Cole B's photo on the Bills page looks like a mugshot? I think he was trying to look mean and tough Yes it does ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fortunately you aren't making decisions for the Bills. Nothing against Njoku, but in his 3 seasons, he's got a catch % below 60%. He was only targeted 10x in the 4 games he played last year, so let's overlook the 50% catch % and the 20% drop rate from 2019. The previous year (his 2nd year) he did OK - increasing his catch % from 53.3% to 63.6%, and catching 639 yds on 88 targets with 6 drops - an improvement from 386 yds on 60 targets Njoku's rookie season Why does that seem like a sure bet to you to give up Dawson Knox going into his 2nd year? Knox had a 56% catch rate and contributed 388 yds on 50 targets even with his 10 drops. Let me repeat that: Knox's rookie season produced more yards on fewer targets than Njoku's rookie season and a higher catch % than Njoku's rookie season, even with all the bad drops. So why exactly would your heart beat to swap them? I was probably a little too critical of Knox. I suppose I’m just forming an opinion from Njoku’s 2018 season, where I really liked what he did. I wouldn’t trade Knox, unless I thought it was an upgrade. I just think that Knox has to put it together this season. There are no more excuses, he really needs to step up. His potential is incredible, but this board seems to assume he’s a sure thing to be great, I’m not convinced. When I look at teams who compete for titles, they have eleven guys on the field who get the job done. That’s how the Titans made it so far last year. They didn’t have anyone making huge mental mistakes that cost the team games. We had several players who cost us on a regular basis, and Knox was one of them. He also made huge plays, but the mental errors need to improve this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I was probably a little too critical of Knox. I suppose I’m just forming an opinion from Njoku’s 2018 season, where I really liked what he did. I wouldn’t trade Knox, unless I thought it was an upgrade. I just think that Knox has to put it together this season. There are no more excuses, he really needs to step up. His potential is incredible, but this board seems to assume he’s a sure thing to be great, I’m not convinced. When I look at teams who compete for titles, they have eleven guys on the field who get the job done. That’s how the Titans made it so far last year. They didn’t have anyone making huge mental mistakes that cost the team games. We had several players who cost us on a regular basis, and Knox was one of them. He also made huge plays, but the mental errors need to improve this season. I'm totally with you there - Knox is not a surefire bet to be great. He needs to take a step. I really wanted to see us upgrade at TE in this off season and was disappointed that we didn't. The lack of preseason reps isn't going to help Knox there, and a couple days playing catch with Allen may not be enough. It's just I'm not 100% sold on Njoku as a sure-fire upgrade. Concussion, broken wrist - I *think* that's an injury he should recover from OK, but he didnt seem to be setting the stadium on fire before he was injured. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm totally with you there - Knox is not a surefire bet to be great. He needs to take a step. I really wanted to see us upgrade at TE in this off season and was disappointed that we didn't. The lack of preseason reps isn't going to help Knox there, and a couple days playing catch with Allen may not be enough. It's just I'm not 100% sold on Njoku as a sure-fire upgrade. Concussion, broken wrist - I *think* that's an injury he should recover from OK, but he didnt seem to be setting the stadium on fire before he was injured. Exactly, Knox might become a really good player. I just wish we had a reliable veteran presence at that position. I think Knox would benefit from not being forced into being the number one option. He needs time to develop the skills needed to become a number one TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 2018 season highlights. I know they only show his good plays but he's definitely a mismatch on corners in the red zone and would be the most athletic TE we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Screw giving them anything for him. They gave us nuttin for Chris Spielman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 14 hours ago, SirAndrew said: Exactly, Knox might become a really good player. I just wish we had a reliable veteran presence at that position. I think Knox would benefit from not being forced into being the number one option. He needs time to develop the skills needed to become a number one TE. Plus, iron sharpens iron according to McDermott so having him compete with Njoku would be a win/win for both players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Doc Brown said: 2018 season highlights. I know they only show his good plays but he's definitely a mismatch on corners in the red zone and would be the most athletic TE we have. Talent wise he is different level to what we have. And I am a big Knox fan. But I'd take Njoku in a heartbeat. I do get that he is an injury risk, but if you can keep him healthy and get him the ball he is a difference maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Nanker said: Screw giving them anything for him. They gave us nuttin for Chris Spielman. But they way overpaid for Tyrod Taylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 If they wanted to upgrade they would have matched or beat Hooper’s contract in Cleveland which is $10.25 mil/yr. and $18 mil. Guaranteed. We are a much better landing spot, but we didn’t. Moving on. Too bad as we had the $, and he would have made us better. He’s not Kittle, but he is a top TE. Supposedly, the TE class is very good in 2021, so we’ll see. Hapless made good points on Njoku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 15 hours ago, ScottLaw said: My guess is Bills aren't interested.... because they are all in in Kroft and Knox.....and Njoku didn't play for Carolina. They are too loyal to "good guys"... or guys that played for Carolina when they were there.... as I've heard McDermott say numerous times that Kroft is a really good person. That's great and I respect that, but the guy has shown little to nothing on the field the last few years and they really have an opportunity to upgrade the position. Yea because we have soooo many starters or even rotational players that played for Carolina.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: But they way overpaid for Tyrod Taylor Waaaaay waaaaay overpaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) Some food for thought from a Cleveland media outlet for those anxious to trade for him. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/07/david-njoku-is-demanding-cleveland-browns-trade-him-you-gotta-be-kidding-terry-pluto.html Edited July 5, 2020 by FLFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 3:03 PM, oldmanfan said: People get on Croom a lot but to me it looks like he has potential ...grass ain't always greener....time to see what our stable can show IMO............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...grass ain't always greener....time to see what our stable can show IMO............ Odds are long for him. How you holding up my friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Odds are long for him. How you holding up my friend? ...good my friend.....working every day since Covid-19 beginning........as an electrical contractor, we are a NYS essential business.......I have 180+ electricians in the field and 30+ admin employees.....we have taken every and any safety precaution whether mandated or recommended, spending $20K+ for our employees and their safety...NOT ONE Covid-19 case through last Friday.....how are you and yours doing?....hope everything is ok............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...good my friend.....working every day since Covid-19 beginning........as an electrical contractor, we are a NYS essential business.......I have 180+ electricians in the field and 30+ admin employees.....we have taken every and any safety precaution whether mandated or recommended, spending $20K+ for our employees and their safety...NOT ONE Covid-19 case through last Friday.....how are you and yours doing?....hope everything is ok............... We have started treating patients again with appropriate precautions. My older daughter just went back to Orlando so worried about that given the explosion in cases there. Stay safe my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: We have started treating patients again with appropriate precautions. My older daughter just went back to Orlando so worried about that given the explosion in cases there. Stay safe my friend! ....same to you and the family............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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