Andy Dalton Released

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

Depends.  Are you talking about a season ending injury in week 1 or a ding that keeps Allen out for 4 games?   If I think my starter is capable of winning a SB, then give me the guy that can go .500 with a good team around him.  Four games with a good versus garbage QB2 behind center could be the difference between 11-5 and 9-7. 

 

Good point, there are definitely nuances and different situations that would be in play. But I'm even less concerned with Barkley/Fromm if it is just for a few games. Is what it is at this point.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Well I think you'd be in the minority.

Minority of Bills fans? Sure. 

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Here's the thing tho...

 

If Allen gets hurt, do we really want someone who is OK enough to get us to 8-8?

 

Or do we follow the 49ers model? Jimmy G went down and they sucked, and that ultimately landed them Bosa. Which just stacked their team for when Jimmy G did come back and took them to the Super Bowl.

 

I vote latter.

I definitely get this point. And it Ames sense. But this is were I’m a lot more realistic that most Bills fans.  The gap, if there was one, between Dalton and last years Allen is very small.  Obviously, the “ceiling” is higher on Allen but I believe the Bills make the playoffs with Dalton.  

[C.Biscuit97]

45 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

So Dalton gets the blame for the disaster that are the Cincinnati Bengals?

 

Im suggesting he could do what Bridgewater did for the Saints last season.... Barkley can’t and neither can Fromm.

In fairness, we shouldn’t say Fromm yet but I have serious doubts.  Again, some fans overrate players when they become Bills.  We literally saw the only good start of Barkley’s career.  He has thrown double the amount of ints to tds.  That’s a problem. 

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

good call, did not think of them

 

no way can Marone and Crew survive a tank year..dont see it

Fixed it for you

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Minority of Bills fans? Sure. 

I definitely get this point. And it Ames sense. But this is were I’m a lot more realistic that most Bills fans.  The gap, if there was one, between Dalton and last years Allen is very small.  Obviously, the “ceiling” is higher on Allen but I believe the Bills make the playoffs with Dalton.  

Once again, we’re plagued by you trying to hijack a thread, spewing your nonsense adamantly.

Please step away from the keyboard.

*PSA

[Mister Defense]

4 hours ago, stuvian said:

he'll be lucky to get a back up job

 

Come on!!  Back that up!!

 

Dalton played on awful teams lately, with low caliber talent and poor coaching.

 

Name some backup quarterbacks in the NFL that are better than Andy Dalton--go ahead... 

 

[BillsfanAZ]

Dalton isnt a great QB but he is capable starter. I think he will take a lot less money to go to the Pats where he will start. Time for the Pats to start renogatiating contracts. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Fixed it for you

Once again, we’re plagued by you trying to hijack a thread, spewing your nonsense adamantly.

Please step away from the keyboard.

*PSA

Talking about Dalton being a Bills backup in Dalton thread is hijacking a thread?  Makes sense.

 

and I can’t step away from the keyboard.  I hate working from home. It sucks.

[Jauronimo]

55 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Well I think you'd be in the minority.

Outside this board, I think you would find yourself in the distinct minority on this issue.  Allen has yet to put up a season that compares to what Cam, Dalton, and Winston have done in the past.  As it stands, Allen is a developing QB who isn't asked to do too much due to a stout defense.  

[starrymessenger]

I agree that, unless Stidham is lightning in a bottle, Dalton would probably give Bill and the Pats a better shot of making the playoffs this year. I think that would require a change in plans however because I don't think Hoyer is there to really compete with Stidham. He is there to mentor Stidham and help him get comfortable with a system Hoyer is totally familiar with. But Hoyer (unlike Dalton) has absolutely no arm (or future as a starting QB) while Stidham's arm seems to be fairly lively so I have no doubt they planned this year to see what they have with the 2nd year fourth rounder. Does Dalton's release change that's? Maybe. Unlike Hoyer Dalton can provide competition for the starting job and if Stidham is not ready he (and the Pats) would be better off with AD under centre.

[Orlando Tim]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Outside this board, I think you would find yourself in the distinct minority on this issue.  Allen has yet to put up a season that compares to what Cam, Dalton, and Winston have done in the past.  As it stands, Allen is a developing QB who isn't asked to do too much due to a stout defense.  

I would honestly take Allen next year over those three and it is not that close- but honestly to act like Winston is good is crazy unless your fantasy team is how to determine good QBs. Also I think Cam is done but we will see.

[Chicken Boo]

It's a shame this move didn't happen sooner.  Dalton would have been a nice replacement in a few locations.

[RiotAct]

16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Talking about Dalton being a Bills backup in Dalton thread is hijacking a thread?  Makes sense.

 

and I can’t step away from the keyboard.  I hate working from home. It sucks.

you did not unquestioningly accept the mantra that Allen will be the Bills’ quarterback for the next 15 years.  Twenty lashes for you!

 

[billsfan89]

I think he would actually be a decent option at backup but I think there are teams like the Pats that would give him a contract that wouldn't be justifiable for the Bills to give a backup esp when Barkley isn't a bad back up. 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

It's a shame this move didn't happen sooner.  Dalton would have been a nice replacement in a few locations.

 

The Bengals genius front office didnt want to tip their hand that they were taking Burrow, and have someone else snag him before they could.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

At some point people have to stop worrying about the other teams because we are good enough to beat them.  There isnt but maybe two teams in the AFC that I worry about matching up against, and the Patriots are not one of them (Even with Dalton or Cam).  Now Rogers gets traded there, maybe I have a different outlook (but that isnt happening this year either)

 

Assuming Daboll/Allen can figure out a way to score more than like 10 points against them.  I know they lost players on defense but they're still formidable, and they seem to blitz and confuse Allen like no one else can.  

[billsfan89]

If I have to predict anything I would say that he goes to Jacksonville as a backup who competes for a starting job. Patriots would be the next likely destination. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

46 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

In fairness, we shouldn’t say Fromm yet but I have serious doubts.  Again, some fans overrate players when they become Bills.  We literally saw the only good start of Barkley’s career.  He has thrown double the amount of ints to tds.  That’s a problem. 

 

They like Barkley for his brain - but between Daboll and Dorsey there's a few brains in there now.  At the end of the day, if Fromm can process things faster and they have comparable arms - you go with Fromm.  Processing speed, pocket presence, and ball security are the most important traits a backup can have.  He's there to come in, take whats given, get balls to playmakers, and not turn it over.  Barkley has 21 picks, 10 fumbles over a span of 645 snaps.  He has a low sack rate but an insanely high int rate.  

Edited April 30, 2020 by dneveu

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Dalton isnt a great QB but he is capable starter. I think he will take a lot less money to go to the Pats where he will start. Time for the Pats to start renogatiating contracts. 

This.

 

Interestingly the top story on the Pats website today is "Just because we didn't take a QB don't presume Stidham is the guy." 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

If I have to predict anything I would say that he goes to Jacksonville as a backup who competes for a starting job. Patriots would be the next likely destination. 

 

I think Pittsburgh would be interesting.  Their season fell apart last year because all their backups are terrible.  Roethlisberger has missed time in 4 of 5 seasons, he's 38... they should have a backup plan. 

[billsfan89]

17 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I think Pittsburgh would be interesting.  Their season fell apart last year because all their backups are terrible.  Roethlisberger has missed time in 4 of 5 seasons, he's 38... they should have a backup plan. 

 

That's not a bad fit, but I think Dalton would prefer to have a chance at a starting position. In Jacksonville and NE he has a chance to start. With the Steelers he is definitely a backup. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Worth the watch...

 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

28 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

If I have to predict anything I would say that he goes to Jacksonville as a backup who competes for a starting job. Patriots would be the next likely destination. 

Pats have no cap room to afford him right now. I don’t know why nobody understands this

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Pats have no cap room to afford him right now. I don’t know why nobody understands this

 

They could make cap space and backload his deal to have a small cap hit in 2020. It isn't like teams can't maneuver the salary cap to get 5-7 million in space. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

They could make cap space and backload his deal to have a small cap hit in 2020. It isn't like teams can't maneuver the salary cap to get 5-7 million in space. 

You do understand in order for them to make cap space Belichick would have to gut the team completely and includes cutting Gilmore since no one would trade for his contract

[CorkScrewHill]

I am not certain that the patriots would do it, but with dalton cut .. would be an interesting pick up for them.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/30/bengals-officially-release-andy-dalton/

 

[Alphadawg7]

In before closed.

[Mr. K]

ATL? NYG? LAC? CHI? DET? NE? Titans?  That guy could go all over the place but I think he is going to get low balled by most teams

[Happy]

Yeah, not a new idea.  Been discussed for a couple of weeks.

[aristocrat]

we should try and sign dalton just to keep him from other teams. would be an excellent backup. 

[Penfield45]

lets hope he doesn't go to the patriots 

 

Dalton on that team would perform better than Brady did last season. and their defense won't drop out of the top 5 so they are still a threat. 

 

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

we should try and sign dalton just to keep him from other teams. would be an excellent backup. 

 

yup. One could argue a 4-5 week long injury to Allen and our season is basically over. we have no room for errors next season with that schedule, and Barkley or Fromm isn't going to be winning very many games. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Penfield45

[Ennjay]

Cue the next Patriots-are-in-cap-hell-but-they'll-cheat-their-way-out-of-it thread.

[WhoTom]

14 minutes ago, Happy said:

Yeah, not a new idea.  Been discussed for a couple of weeks.

 

Not to mention six hours ago and still on the front page:

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by WhoTom

[Mike in Horseheads]

?take!!!!  Hadn't seen this before this morning

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm not sure why Dalton would even WANT to go to the Pats.

 

They look like they are on the downslide. They player an even tougher schedule than we do.

 

If they end up 9-7 or (likely) worse, the narrative goes from "Belichick is nothing without Brady" to "Dalton sucks and couldnt get the Pats to the Super Bowl". He becomes the convenient whipping boy for the fans who would rather trash anyone than Brady or Belichick.

 

On top of it, he'd likely have to take the biggest pay cut going to New England.

 

So less money, with more to lose.

 

Nah.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

47 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

That's not a bad fit, but I think Dalton would prefer to have a chance at a starting position. In Jacksonville and NE he has a chance to start. With the Steelers he is definitely a backup. 

 

True - but with Cam still hanging out there.  Might be a better chance at a ring as well if that's something he's going for. 

[Fan in Chicago]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I'm not sure why Dalton would even WANT to go to the Pats..

 

On top of it, he'd likely have to take the biggest pay cut going to New England.

 

So less money, with more to lose.

 

Nah.

Which team will give him more money and a very strong possibility of starting . Especially one that has a great D and coach ?

This is Dalton's best chance to game manage his way nto the playoffs

Edited April 30, 2020 by Fan in Chicago

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Which team will give him more money and a very strong possibility of starting . Especially one that has a great D and coach ?

This is Dalton's best chance to game manage his way nto the playoffs

He's been in the playoffs plenty. He needs to stop losing in the playoffs. Especially to teams like the Texans when they're QB'd by TJ Yates...

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Pats have no cap room to afford him right now. I don’t know why nobody understands this

Everybody understands that they currently don't have cap space.  But they can create a bit more,  back end Dalton's contract.  Also,  never under estimate a player's drive to prove himself after being dumped by his only employer

[RyanC883]

let's get him.  Great backup.